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comitan
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Hey all the sky is not falling, Yet.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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M
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VERY interesting thread...
WHATEVER the motivation, political or otherwise,it always seemed to me risky business to buy in Baja. I would consider a long lease with an honorable
family first. Anybody remember Punta Banda?
A HUGE group of retirees who sunk everything into their homes lost all and had to just walk away from them. I remember thinking... Didn't any of those
guys have a match? I would have given back a pile of ashes!
But, that's just MHO.
M
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SDRonni
Well, CRAP!!! You mean the Mexicans may take back our new condo before we even get a chance to live in it for a while? My timing sure does leave
something to be desired.....if this place is actually finished when it's supposed to be, we may be afraid to pay the other 70%........
Seriously, though, wouldn't it affect them all negatively if we gringos stopped going there and purchasing????
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There is apparently no equivalent fable in Mexico about El ganso y los huevos de oro
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SDRonni
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How are those of you who are living in Baja full-time feeling about all of this?
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MrBillM
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Government Spying
Since the Government is known to waste resouces on a phenomenal level, I wouldn't be surprised if they were eavesdropping on this forum, although it
would be a complete waste of time given our inability to have any effect on important events.
Unlike Skeet, I would be worried about being "moniteod". I walk better with all five on each foot, if that's what he means. However, I'm not worried
about being monitored.
As I've said before in other venues, I am not the least bit concerned that the government might be checking my writings, phone
records, banking and purchasing habits or keeping track of those I associate with and where I travel. I can't think of a single incident in the last
twenty years or more where the government having such knowledge would have been a problem. Heck, I even obey the speed limits (in the U.S. anyway)
now.
If increased government surveillance is going to keep Americans from being killed or maimed in a terrorist attack, I'm all for it.
Back to the original subject. When I was young, I never could understand when I saw expatriates remaining in a foreign country where they had settled
(Kenya, Haiti, Cuba, Vietnam, etc) until it was too late to leave safely. Now, having spent so many years in Baja, I understand not wanting to give
it up. If things go to crap in Mexico someday, I'll be one of those still hanging around, hoping for the best.
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comitan
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If someone didn't bring it up, we would never be concerned. There is still much building and selling of homes in Mexico. If you look at the header
advertisement for Platinum capitol, if they were worried do you think they would still be doing business in Mexico. I personally think that some
people like to stir the pot.
12 year home owner La Paz
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Barry A.
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Well said, Mr. Bill---------
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SDRonni
How are those of you who are living in Baja full-time feeling about all of this? |
At this point, AMLO is nothing more than comic relief. Every day he becomes more and more marginalized. Elected representatives of his party are
abandoning him, in droves.
The real losers are Mexico's poor. They hitched their wagon to a stubborn mule.
Everyone, Gringo and Mexicano alike, are damn lucky he wasn't elected.
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SDRonni
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Did you hear about the coup d'etat that just happened in Bangkok? Do you think anything like this could happen in Mexico? Good Lord! My years of
political apathy haven't prepared me for all this uproar! In the words of Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"
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Baja Bernie
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Stirring of the Pot
Post by Dennis
“SDRonni ---
It would affect the local real estate market but I believe that overall importance of expatriate private investment and living expenditure is grossly
over-rated. Besides, when the trade off for gringo dollars is a loss of Mexican pride, the pride will win hands down. “
Dennis
Post by Dennis
“I've never met a Mexican who wouldnt starve himself to death when his national pride is at stake.
Do you remember Operation Intercept, when Nixon was going to stop drugs from coming across the border by practically dismantleing every car that went
through? The tourism industry in northern Baja was devistated. There was, at least, a six hour wait at the border and the streets were empty. But,
they survived. They did other things. They waited. But, what they did most was develope a heartfelt hatred for the United States.”
Dennis I remember Operation Intercept very well. The Mexicans responded to Nixon with a stated policy that they would inject (with a needle)all
tourists crossing the border to assure that they would not be spreading some disease (don’t remember what) Knowing the Mexican people the wife and I
headed south and had Baja all to ourselves—except of course the Mexicans and these were the folks we wished to visit anyway—Wrote a story about the
trip in my first book—no plug—I didn’t even mention the name of the book.
You are so right about PRIDE and the Mexican people (sometimes I wish we Americans still had as much pride in our country).
Post by Taco de Baja
“There is apparently no equivalent fable in Mexico about El ganso y los huevos de oro”
I believe that what you are saying is very important to understand how the Mexicans look at things vs how we tend to see the same things. Would you
please fill it in so that we can better appreciate exactly what you are getting at.
Okay! I started this post for many reasons and I suppose one of them WAS to ‘stir the pot’ and get people who care about Baja and its people to
start to think about more than themselves. To really survive, long term, we all need to not only see what is going on around us but we also need to
think about how things and actions of others may impact our insular lives.
I am somewhat of an historian (nothing like that Nomad known as AA) of Baja and of necessity Mexico proper. I have written three books because I have
a great desire to share what I have learned about Baja (heck the plates on my car are “Mi Baja”) and how history has played out here in the past and
what impact it did have on those foreigners who have lived, owned ranches, and ran their own business here. If you go back to the Revolution you will
find that Pancho Villa’s guys rode across from Sonora and chased many foreign businessmen and ranchers out of the country. Many of you are familiar
with the stories of the Meling’s and how they fought Villas folks to a standoff at their ranch and gold mines.
As are most old timers, I am aware that the British and the Americans who ran railroads and pumped oil from their wells in Mexico and thought business
was just ‘super’ until Presidente Card##as nationalized their businesses and never paid them for their property.
Everyone who has spent a minute in Baja knows that there have been several waves of gringos losing their homes, mostly in Baja Norte.
As Dennis pointed out the one overriding thing I have learned about the Mexican Nation and its people is that pride is their most favored
possession—in some cases their only possession. To say that the ‘pretender’ will just fade away is to completely ignore the history of Mexico.
I believe Larry spoke of the ‘short term’ future and that it would have very little impact on Baja. I guess as old as I am I should only be
concerned with the short term but I can not.
Okay! Here is where I convince many that I am just a nutty old man who thinks history is to be learned and that it repeats itself in more or less
regular patterns. My reading of history tells me that because of many things (including unabashed pride on one side and a very large lack of it on
the other side) that one day Mexico and Latin America will invade and conquer what is now called the United States of America. Sure we have the
weapons to make this impossible but we sure do not have the leaders, from ‘any’ party with the huevos to defend our country.
Give it some thought. Pot stirred!
In spite of all of this I still have my Sentri pass and visit my many friends in Baja on a regular basis. I can never forget the people I spent more
than half of my life with.
Viva Baja!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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DanO
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What I've been hearing from locals in Ensenada and TJ mirrors what Dave said. As Comitan noted, the sky isn't falling.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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Hook
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The one comment I'd make
is that the supporters of AMLO are not completely people who want "something for nothing", as someone stated. Many are the working poor as well. I
think AMLO's message of government corruption and collusion with the superrich at the expense of creating any significant middle class certainly rings
true. Heck, it's not far removed from the message that Fox used to get elected and Calderon has already gone on record as saying the plight of the
poor is his #1 priority.
Of course, how to get there is the difference between the two.
I'm in the camp that thinks AMLO blew his chance to be a significant force for change when he began his "taking' it to the streets" campaign on a
national level.
He cudda had class......he cudda been a contenda. ........He could have had a cabinet post.
Now, he may hang.........or is Mexico still using firing squads? In any event, if he continues with this parallel goverment, there will be bloodshed.
Just arresting him is bound to spill some.
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QuePasaBaja
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Do any of you really think for one min that the US government will allow that guy to get out of hand anywhere near the border?
With the current " Administration " They will just have him killed.
Have a Baja Day
QuePasaBaja
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SDRonni
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If that were to happen
wouldn't it just arouse his followers more? And wouldn't another one like him just step up to the plate?
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Baja Bernie
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Doubt that either Government will "kill" him
The time for that, if there was a time, would have been a couple of years ago. He sort of parallels Lenins course to power in Russia (come to think
of it a lot of things are similar). Germany and Russia could have killed him before he hit the national scene but not after.
I just hope that all of you naysayers are correct!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Bajamatic
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I find it somewhat ironic that your Plates read "MI baja". It's "SU BAJA" to you pal. 
yuletide
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Baja Bernie
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bajamatic
I doubt seriously that I am your 'pal.'
It is Mi Baja and I do know what it means--pal!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Bajamatic
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didnt realize you were a mexican national. My apologies.
yuletide
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comitan
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My favorite fish to catch Dorado, to eat Cabrilla.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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DENNIS
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Bernie ----
Mexico is already invading and conquering the U.S.. They are doing that without firing a shot. But, I believe you're right. The day will come
when shots are fired but, it will start from within, not a wave from the south.
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