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Iflyfish
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Some consider these fellow sentient beings. Current neurological research points to their possession of similar neuroanatomy to our own.
Have you heard the reports of dolphins helping drowning people?
I have gutted many a fish, these photos make me ill.
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http://www.panda.org/how_you_can_help/index.cfm I think the reason it did not work as I had an extra word in the other one I posted. I am still
looking for more pictures as they do not seem easy to find....hope this works....
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this is how it worked for me...
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http://www.panda.org/how_you_can_help/index.cfm I think the reason it did not work as I had an extra word in the other one I posted. I am still
looking for more pictures as they do not seem easy to find....hope this works.... |
go to the website
listed above, when it downloads completely you will see a search box on the upper right hand...put vaquita in it and hit search....another page will
come up with various sites to go to, however, the very first one www vaquita , the smallest cetacean restricted to a very small area, is the one
where I found the picture of this beautiful mammal.. I am sure there is an easier way for some, but this was the way I got to find what one looks
like.....let me know if that worked and what you think...... I tried
many a site to find a picture and this is the only one yet I have had success with...if anyone finds more please post them....
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in my opinion humans have upset the balances but are unable to restore that balance because it is not in thier intrest of the ppl that your sending
the money to they have another agenda namly stuffing there pockets full of donated buck
i dont think all the money in the world will restore that balance if one looks at the big picture to restore this balance we need to iliminate all
human interventing and that means getting rid of all humans
even then the dinasours are gone and not by human hands and evolution will continue
jerry and judi
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I am in total agreement....
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Some consider these fellow sentient beings. Current neurological research points to their possession of similar neuroanatomy to our own.
Have you heard the reports of dolphins helping drowning people?
I have gutted many a fish, these photos make me ill.
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those photos made me ill also...
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Iflyfish
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Jerry
You may be correct in your assessment of the imbalances created by humans. I understand but question your solution of eliminating humans. Though on
careful consideration that might just be what we are about now anyway. That is what the Ghia sp? Folks would propose
Sometimes in regard to these issues I feel discouraged to the point of cynicism.
I once had the privilege of hearing Helen Caldecott, M.D., who started the group Physicians for Social Responsibility, present on the topic of Nuclear
disarmament. She showed us a sheet of computer paper, with black lines representing nuclear weapons and mirv, multiple missile warheads in a thicker
black. The unrolled sheet spread across an entire stage. Thousands of them when counting the mirvs. There was a stunned silence. Then came sobbing.
Then anger. She advised to have all of the feelings involved, to go through them, not to deny them. She said that out of this process would emerge a
sense of what we, as individuals must do to address these issues. She pointed out that there were thousands of like-minded people around the world.
She pointed out that many people in the world were working hard to address this issue. She advised, “Do not give up hope even though part of the
resolution of this issue involves going through a powerful sense of impotence”. I liked what she had to say and share it in the spirit of good will
with someone I know deeply cares or s/he would not have such powerful feelings as I have read you express on this forum. The opposite of love is not
hate it is indifference. You are not indifferent when it comes to the environment. You are passionate in your feelings and beliefs. I appreciate that
when reading your posts.
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Bizarre !
There are a few positions that, when promoted by someone, define said person as a complete NUT case.
Seriously advocating that the Earth would be a better place if all human life was exterminated is right at the top of that list.
Congratulations on qualifying.
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jerry
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perhaps you should read my post again thats not what i said
i said to restore the balance it would be nessary to illiminate humans i did not advocate anything
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Jerry,
I actually thought the idea had some merit as I read it. It is the practicality of it that I think is problematic. Ok, I did distort your post, just
for the fun of it. It is a sort of elegant solution, but who would eliminate the last one. If I was the last one holding the kool aide jar, it might
be tempting to wait for a ribectomy. Course with my old ribs it would probably be my luck to get a cranky one. With my luck these days they might take
my funny bone.
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eating these beautiful creatures
after all the responses and in double secret super - reflextion, i have seen the light!! i will not attempt any repast indulging in whatever tastes
these paucimonious animals may offer.
From now on i am sticking only with the smoked baby seals!
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Say What ?
Jerry's Quote:
" i dont think all the money in the world will restore that balance if one looks at the big picture to restore this balance we need to iliminate all
human interventing and that means getting rid of all humans".
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Please explain to the rest of us what "getting rid of all humans" means in this context. Perhaps that isn't what you mean, but it
is what you wrote. I don't have any reading comprehension problem, but you certainly have a writing problem if you meant something
different.
In your short disclaimer, you "write" that you were not advocating anything, but the words " we need to " is clearly advocacy,
otherwise you would have written "you would need to" or "it would be necessary to". Since you have claimed that you were not advocating the
elimination of the Human race, I will accept that you're only guilty of poor compostion.
Having heard so often from "Greenies" in the past regarding the necessary elimination of man so that the Earth could heal, I took your poorly
constructed sentence at face value.
[Edited on 12-12-2006 by MrBillM]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
perhaps you should read my post again thats not what i said
i said to restore the balance it would be nessary to illiminate humans i did not advocate anything |
Maybe Jerry should have spelled that "illuminate."
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There are a few positions that, when promoted by someone, define said person as a complete NUT case.
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Now guess who comes to mind?
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If gill nets aren't eliminated the loss of the vaquita will be accompanied by the disappearance of just about everything else, including the local and
visiting fishermen.
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In a Blind Alley
I couldn't hazard a guess regarding who Alley might have in mind. Since I haven't offered any opinions (except as Sarcasm) lacking rational
thoughtfulness, it surely couldn't be directed at me. Certainly nothing could be as extreme as calling for the extermination of the entire human
race. It would be rational in today's society to promote the demise of certain segments of the world population, notably those mohammed-heads in
dresses who seem determined to eliminate our side and are actively working at doing so.
I don't even advocate the extermination of the Vaquita, tasty or not. However, I don't really care, especially since it's beyond my control.
Whatever occurs won't change my life (or anyone else's) in any respect. I suspect that those who are most vocal regarding the Vaquita won't give it
too much thought once it's gone. There are plenty of other animals to occupy their time and concern. For those who claim a devout concern, I would
suggest they move to the Rain Forest Somewhere so they can spend their waking hours campaigning on behalf of the numerous species that are going
extinct every year. It should be enough to occupy their idle time.
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Oh Please.....
| Quote: | Originally posted by jerry
in my opinion humans have upset the balances but are unable to restore that balance because it is not in thier intrest of the ppl that your sending
the money to they have another agenda namly stuffing there pockets full of donated buck
i dont think all the money in the world will restore that balance if one looks at the big picture to restore this balance we need to iliminate all
human interventing and that means getting rid of all humans
even then the dinasours are gone and not by human hands and evolution will continue |
is my first
reaction...but my gut tells me you pretty much hit the nail on the head....but....we have to at least try each and every one of us to do the best we
can to help instead of hurt the way mankind has done for a very very very very....before Bush.......omg....I cannot believe I said that.....long time. I make myself sick thinking about the pile of crap we have
turned this planet into over the last 200 + years...cry like a baby watching "Geronimo..the great american Legend" with Margy (82 yr old mom) and
thank god every moment to be here in Baja....I like the feeling of going Back 50 yrs...instead of forward....fit really is a sad state of affairs....
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And during all this useless banter, a few more vaquitas bit the dust 
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Hey Now.....
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I couldn't hazard a guess regarding who Alley might have in mind. Since I haven't offered any opinions (except as Sarcasm) lacking rational
thoughtfulness, it surely couldn't be directed at me. Certainly nothing could be as extreme as calling for the extermination of the entire human
race. It would be rational in today's society to promote the demise of certain segments of the world population, notably those mohammed-heads in
dresses who seem determined to eliminate our side and are actively working at doing so.
I don't even advocate the extermination of the Vaquita, tasty or not. However, I don't really care, especially since it's beyond my control.
Whatever occurs won't change my life (or anyone else's) in any respect. I suspect that those who are most vocal regarding the Vaquita won't give it
too much thought once it's gone. There are plenty of other animals to occupy their time and concern. For those who claim a devout concern, I would
suggest they move to the Rain Forest Somewhere so they can spend their waking hours campaigning on behalf of the numerous species that are going
extinct every year. It should be enough to occupy their idle time.
[Edited on 12-12-2006 by MrBillM] |
somehow this has turned into a mud-slinging contest and I want to wave a
white flag........all of us care about another "total loss" of yet another animal...place...or thing...during our lifetime...l
The truth be told unless this precious mammel is put in confinement and reproduced it will not be long before they are all gone....along with the
numerous that are going extint every year...and added to the list.....this was a post that exposed me to the Vaquita...I had never even of heard of
one before.....I took hours looking for them and reading about them....researching and spending my idle time.learning about them... .which is what I
have when my job is sitting with my 82 yr old mother with Melanoma)
So in closing...thank you very much for starting this thread....
I have enjoyed learning about this precious little dophin....It is a sad day in paradise to loose it.....along with all the other things on the list
that we loose every day....
No rain forest for this ol' girl... It took many years to be able to live in
Baja..even if I have to sit with Margy for a few years.....just being here is all I can do at the moment and it sucks to have the "idle" time to see
how screwed up it is....just eat, drink, and be merry...and have fun on this forum.........I lOVE LORETO...."It's all good"...it may be our own ass were kissing goodbye mananana......
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i'm still in tears over the loss of many of our most wonderful dinosaurs.
i especially liked old stegasaurus. cute little devils. i hated it when the one got sick on jurrasic park.
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Life in the RainForest
Would probably not be that good, anyway. I've lived in a "Swamp" environment akin to that of a Rain Forest and it's damned uncomfortable. Sweating
24 hours a day and having all sorts of unknown bugs, leeches and other critters crawl and bite daily is not really Paradise.
I've purchased the University of Arizona Tide Calender for the Northern Gulf of California every year since 1978 and there was a recent issue that
featured the Vaquita on the cover.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Would probably not be that good, anyway. I've lived in a "Swamp" environment akin to that of a Rain Forest and it's damned uncomfortable. Sweating
24 hours a day and having all sorts of unknown bugs, leeches and other critters crawl and bite daily is not really Paradise.
I've purchased the University of Arizona Tide Calender for the Northern Gulf of California every year since 1978 and there was a recent issue that
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Bill... could you post the address, price, or web site to order that calendar, please... May help me to know when I can get onto Shell Island, or
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