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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I always thought it was kinda funny that in Guerrero Negro when Sirenita was in primary school they loaded all the little kids into a big bus and took
em out to the military base to watch the huge bonfire when they burn all the pot! The kids love that field trip but come back a little bleary eyed and
to ward off the munchies, they fed all the kids in the cafeteria! They didn't even ask the parents or anything, she just came home from school one day
smelling of pot (not that I would know what it smells like) and told me about the fun trip they had that afternoon.....gotta love baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
The most efficient way of eliminating this "crime" of catering to America's appetite for intoxicants is simply to de-criminalize it, just as we have
for alcohol.
No fence will curb the appetite, and it's certainly not the businessman's fault for supplying the U.S. demand.
Marijuana is not my intoxicant of choice, but I have a hard time passing judgment on those who prefer it--I'm pretty well convinced that it is no more
harmful than the Scotch that I do prefer; and what if it was? Is it my business what those people do in the privacy of their homes? There are
already laws on the books to prevent people from driving under the influence of any intoxicants, and I've seen hundreds more people get into social
trouble on alcohol than on marijuana, which seems to make people less agressive, rather than more. |
Bruno,
I totally agree !!!!!
CaboRon
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I've been procrastinating about chiming in.
Now what was it I wanted to say ??
I'll think of it ...... hmmm....
But yes, Bruno; I have to agree !!
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and from another persepctive.....
Public Schools washed my brain...films....2 or 3 "joints" and you were gonna be injecting "horse" and then od.
For decades I was vehemently against drugs.
Fast forward to 2001. Sumpin' doesn't feel right. Big C, advanced. You gotta a chance they say...chemo....scared poopless....can't stand to be
nauseaous (No gulping here, I'm fine)
By now I have an aging boy toy type husband who, while I was slaving at a corprate career, was making a name for himself playing Volleyball in
Southern California and doing
God knows what. Go for it he says, I'll keep you loaded the whole time.
I'm lucky. I got great insurance. I get anti nausea pill...$50usd a pill...I pay $2. They help. Have met people who can't afford them. Boy toy
rolls joints for me...where did he get the stuff? How did he know how to do that so expertly?
Ahhhhh..no nausea, no anxiety...surprise!....functional.....work in garden....work on internet...keep house clean...not drugged out. Ate all the time.
Doc thrilled with my appetitite and resulting blood count. One happy, some would say stoned, year. Have never craved it. Not then, not now.
You make friends in the chemo lounge. Trade therapy stories. Most of the users I met had similar results. I hear the prescription stuff isn't as
effective. Oh...told my doc...strait laced, anal retentive type...gave me a stern look and said...in this practice, whatever works.
Just legalize it. The world will go to hell in a handbasket from a whole lot of other things before marijuana will be the cause.
No sympathy comments...however many years any of us have left....1 in Baja is worth 5 in most other places.
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Interesting that pot was criminalized basically because of the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 which was abetted by Randolph Hearst and his timber industry
financial connections, in order to squelch the competing hemp industry for making wood pulp(for newspaper); heh, they killed two birds with one
stone(r)-- the Marijuana used for hemp is a different subspecies than the one grown for recreational use.
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DuPont and Nylon
Hearst and trees
Pot's illegal
Because of these
by Gnome-ad
Yes, Mexitron ... add to that that DuPont wanted nylon to be the rope of the future. The fear factor was then used to wash people's brains ("Reefer
Madness" etc.). Using fear and untruth to control people is nothing new. Those two rich guys had the power to do it then, just like the rich powerful
ba$#@%d$ today do it. 
We don’t have TV, but I heard from a friend that there were "big busts" in the Los Cabos area the last few days. Not farms, but farmacias, fruit
stands, etc. Why don't they go after the bad guys who distribute heroine and meth??? Think pot smokers are easier to harass than folks who are really
jacked up and have automatic weapons, money for bribes, etc. and it makes such a better show … 
During a conversation with friends last night someone said that the “drug war” is how the powers that be get control of the drugs so THEY can sell
them and make the money and control people. Viet Nam, Cambodia, Columbia, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, it just moves around like the pea under the walnut
shell and we’re all fooled. This makes some sense to me. 
On another note, my granny used to grow some form of it as a backdrop for her roses, my uncle who had served in Turkey during WWI was glad of that!
Then it became a "crime" to grow it. Wow, my sweet grandma was a CRIMINAL!! Somehow I don't think so ... 
[Edited on 9-7-2007 by Gnome-ad]
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Gnome-ad, I've also heard of the idea that our gov't, CIA, has its hands in the drug trade as a source of cash so as to keep covert activity off the
books...I think GB Sr. was quoted as saying that if the US public knew what was really happening out there they'd be horrified...
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Ahhh ... yes, Mexitron I had heard that, too, just hadn't thought about it in a while.
We are such babes, guess the daddies who know best keep us in the dark to protect us from being "horrified" at what our government ("by, for and of
us") is actually doing (to us and everyone else).
The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well. - Ancis
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Do you think the best way to get it down to baja is fill a film cannister and bury it in a full jar of peanut butter? Actually the military stops
never check you on the way down.
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Gee Martyman ~ I wouldn't know about that, but on my way down last February with Amir's cousin (another gringa) we were stopped at every checkpoint on
the way down plus secondary at the border (maybe we looked like someone else?) and questioned and asked to open up different areas of the car ... the
only exception was outside Loretto where I had foolishly almost run out of gas. Those guys didn't check anything because they eventually had to sell
us some gas to get the two wacky gringas back on the road. Guess they figured we were too stoopid to be pulling any fast ones. 
I would not want to be caught with anything illegal at any checkpoint anywhere.
Interestingly, I do always now bring peanutbutter down in supply because the stuff that we can get down here is nasty with chemicals and sugar. We
like ours organic and lightly salted. Hope they don't go diggin through it and ruin it for late night snaks on crackers or toast.
The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well. - Ancis
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Now, the problem with making marijuana legal is the drug world has promoted this little bridge to the other drugs such as meth. Don't tell me that it
does not ruin families or "blunt" kids to even getting their butts up for school. Even if you legalize it the little bridge will always be there as
it has been too many years in the making. Yea, Yea, Yea I also know professionals and others that have used or started with marijuana and not loss it
to other stronger drugs. I have also seen just the opposite with these professionals and others. However, with the high risk kids and troubled
adults the real story is their worlds have become nothing more than drug misery. I do not know the answer either (wish I did for all of the ruined
lives I seen) or I would have written a book pinpointing how to solve this misery for many. However, I do know legalizing marijuana or other drugs
will only get us on the road to Hell a lot quicker. England created a damn mess for itself over this legalizing drug use issue and now is trying to
recover from it. Our marijuana laws have already basically been made to be "don't tell or be seen and we will just look the other way or give a
little public fine." The drug culture and drug habits are only a losing road that helps nobody get ahead or a real lasting future. Have spent over
34 years helping kids, families, and troubled adults and know legalization of any type of drug is not the solution. Drugs have been and will be their
main problem for most of their life. Now, I will get off my "Soap Box" and go back to reading the forum postings.
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Well, Fun777, as a deputy district attorney friend of mine once said, "When you can get any drug you want in any bar in America, drugs become de facto
legal." Why would we think legalizing drugs will make them more available? Anyone can get any drug they please, within hours, anywhere in the US.
All we accomplish by keeping them illegal is to ruin more lives by putting those users in jail. Jails and prisons have needlessly ruined just as many
lives as drugs ever have.
The arguments you are using are the same ones used to pass the Eighteenth Amendment (Prohibition) and we all know the result of that disastrous
experiment.
If we start acting smart, repeal the drug laws, and dedicate those billions of dollars from our failed Drug War to prevention and treatment,
we'd all be a lot better off.
That's not just my opinion--eminent criminologists have been saying it for decades.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Bajafun777
I have not spent years helping families as you have - I salute your efforts to help those in trouble. I do, however, feel that the pusher who wants to
really hook someone is usually the one who encourages them to cross that "bridge" you refer to. Legalize and you remove the pusher from the scene. The
pusher pushes for financial reasons, not just for the joy of making new friends.
And it seems some people just have addictive personalities or behaviors, for whatever reasons, whether the drug is legal or not and will end up in
trouble of some kind no matter what. Tobacco, alcohol, and sugar are deceptively legal and mostly socially acceptable and cause many health and social
problems (yes, even sweet, sweet sugar - if you’ve ever dealt with someone with a real sugar problem it’s no picnic).
In MHO, I say LEGALIZE and EDUCATE in real terms, with the real dangers and/or benefits of all substances being addressed, not just
made up scare tactics to line the pockets of the powers that be and criminalize otherwise regular members of society. When people try something and
figure out they’ve been lied to about it they may figure they’ve been lied to about everything and that is not necessarily true. They then do
not have the good sense God gave a turnip about what to “try” and what not to try and how it will impact their lives. They don’t even have a DO NOT DO
THIS list. And, yes, using recreational mood/mind/chemistry altering substances before a psyche is mature enough to understand them can lead to
serious deficits, addictions and difficulties that can persist for a lifetime. Again EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE - BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!
The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well. - Ancis
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de acuerdo
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You got it right Gnome-ad!
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Bruno:
Is it my responsibility to pay for "Prevention and Treatment" for those who cannot "Control their Desires and keep their Passions within due Bounds"?
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Social vs. spiritual
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
If we start acting smart, repeal the drug laws, and dedicate those billions of dollars from our failed Drug War to prevention and treatment,
we'd all be a lot better off.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Bruno:
Is it my responsibility to pay for "Prevention and Treatment" for those who cannot "Control their Desires and keep their Passions within due Bounds"?
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Skeet -- I'm adding my dos centavos.
Socially, it depends on your politics as to whether you feel it is your responsibility to pay.....
Morally, you have an absolute responsibility to take care of those in need. If you aren't Christian, disregard this comment. If you are, then
you must ask "Who would Jesus pay for?
Your call.
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Humans have been getting intoxicated with something or other since the beginning of civilizations. It is just human nature to try to alter the mind to
experience the depth of our possibilities.
The list of mind-altering substances is very long, actually, anything can be abused to the point of causing harm, to oneself and to society. Trying to
legislate human nature and morality has never worked, and never will.
The current "war on drugs" is NOT a failed policy. It has worked wonderfully for the government to justify the outrageous tax expenditures and
spending trillions of dollars in activities that only benefits the fascist-military complex. Yes, "we" are wasting this money, but somebody is
profiting from it, that money is going into somebody's pockets. Whose? Into the pockets of those who want to control the traffic of all "drugs."
To make natural substances illegal, and to criminalize large segments of society for "normal" human behavior is just a plot by the powers that be to
control the financial benefits of addictions. I think we would all be better off if we criminalized WAR and eliminated the profit motive created by
limiting the supply of any substance by creating artificial shortages. The war on drugs is a profitable business matched only by the profits of drug
cartels; they each need the other in order to survive and make obscene profits.
In my opinion, the harm done to the health of humanity by the chemical additives in processed food far surpasses the damage done by inhaling weed
smoke. The harm done to the health of the world by the poisons and toxins spewed into the environment by big business far exceeds any harm done by
hapless addicts. The death, destruction and misery created by organized religion throughout the ages has been far more devastating than any substance
abuse.
Don’t even get me started…
-- Amir
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I think the question of "who is to pay" has been aptly answered by Lencho and Lee, but to me it is all just a question of economics.
The pitifully unsuccessful "Drug War" has cost us billions of dollars, many lives to fight it, including those close to me, and has absolutely nothing
to show for it. Illicit drugs are available to anyone. Anyone who has had children knows that telling people they can’t do something that’s fun is
bound to fail. They will do it just as a knee-jerk reaction to being told they can’t. Only societal pressure can affect that conduct and laws against
it are counterproductive. Alcohol consumption just before Prohibition was at its lowest level in the history of the country because of strong
societal pressure—during Prohibition, it spiked to the highest level it has ever been, precisely because it was now daring and adventurous.
The question now is, “Do we acknowledge that a fight against human nature is doomed?” and reallocate those War dollars to education, prevention, and
treatment, or do we continue with a failed policy? Education, prevention, and treatment is almost sure to pay for itself in reduced property
insurance costs, reduced prison costs, and reduced “War” costs.
The answer, I am almost sure, is that we will continue to pursue a failed policy, because too many people are making too much money fighting “The
War.” Prison guard unions contribute huge sums to politicians to encourage longer prison sentences, and therefore more prisons and guards;
politicians themselves find it easy to attack a constituency that votes very poorly and has no lobbying strength; judges, prosecutors, drug
enforcement agents, and all their supporting staff that depend on drug prosecutions really don’t want to be cross-trained into another field; and a
vast and well-funded propaganda campaign has keep up the pressure on Americans to “keep up the fight,” never mentioning the fruitlessness or the lives
ruined by “The War.”
I am not optimistic that the battle against the war will be won, but that doesn’t mean that I release the dream.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Very good and informative "Words, if and Buts"/
Question: As a Human, then I must make the decision to "Protect" my self from being Murdered by a Drunk Driver or Drug Crazed other Human??
Yet when I carry a weapon for protection, I must make very sure that the other Human is going to Kill me before I can "Legally" fire my weapon.
Does not the answer lie in "The Survival of the Fitist" as it stands to reason that those who are Drugged are not the "Fitist" for Survival?
How many of you Posters have ever had the experience of being placed in a Bamboo Cage, then poked at with sharpened Stocks, had Fecas thrown all over
you, Urinated on by another Human{?}.
If that happened would you try to Fight or just lay there and take the Abuse??
Better to fight to Death!!
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