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fdt
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My pleasure. Sorry about this, these are the people that teach our children, I have a lot of faith in this country, but sometimes I have to say or ask
, "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON".
I appologise for the bad example the teachers are setting, as I, they will die and pass some day.
"Perdonen las molestias que estos pendejos les hagan pasar"
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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DENNIS
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It's the authorities who allow this ...............
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fdt
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"Es un desmadre"
Translation
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I'ts a dis-mother
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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the retirement age was raised one year, big wow instead of 48 now it's 49. I don't see you from the USA blocking the borders and you have it at 65.
And another thing that is stupid, it does not affect those that are already working at all, only those that start new. P..inch..e Lopez Obrador |
Ferna, it WAS 65, and still is for those pulling the plug right now. But I am in the first wave to get screwed out of a year. It will be 66 for me
and goes up again for those to follow me.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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fdt
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Entonces "Done quiera se cuecen Abas"
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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One of the local TV stations in San Diego noted that San Ysidro north and south bound and Otay Mesa northbound will close at 8:30AM. Otay Mesa
southbound might close. No info from them on Tecate, etc.
David
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
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The Gull
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Heard this morning
CHP has issued a warning that THEY will be stopping ALL southbound traffic at the border crossings. No other details. Check with CHP for details.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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bajamigo
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Here's an article from today's San Diego Fishwrap:
More Tijuana news
Union set to block ports of entry
Mexican teachers protesting pension
By Anna Cearley
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
August 30, 2007
TIJUANA – A Mexican teachers union plans to block ports of entry along the U.S.-Mexico border tomorrow to protest changes to federal employee pension
plans.
The demonstrations could affect U.S. tourists heading south for the Labor Day weekend. Demonstrations are planned locally for the ports of entry at
San Ysidro, Otay Mesa, Tecate, Mexicali and Algodones. In June, thousands of protesting teachers shut down north-and southbound traffic at San Ysidro
for several hours, creating major backups on both sides of the border.
Catalina Heredia, a member of the union, said organizers were debating whether to block southbound traffic into Mexico.
Some local reports have quoted organizers as saying they would be blocking north-and southbound lanes. Other organizers have been quoted as saying
they would be blocking only northbound traffic.
Local organizers say the demonstration will last four to six hours, starting about 9 a.m.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials are warning travelers to avoid the San Diego-area crossings tomorrow morning. Vince Bond, an agency
spokesman, said the ports will remain open, but the San Ysidro pedestrian bridge could be closed temporarily.
California authorities are planning to close all southbound traffic lanes on Interstates 5 and 805 south of state Route 905, near the San Ysidro port
of entry, at 8:30 a.m. Route 905 also could be closed during the demonstration. [italics mine]
Baja California tourism officials said they are hoping the union will call off the demonstrations. “If it doesn't, it will create problems,” said Ives
Lelevier, deputy secretary of tourism for Baja California. He recommended that travelers stay informed of developments.
The teachers are protesting a new Mexican law that requires teachers and other public-sector employees to pay higher pension premiums and to work
longer. President Felipe Calderón pushed hard for the changes, which include the establishment of private retirement accounts. The government says the
reforms are needed to prevent the system from collapsing.
The crossings are heavily used each weekday by commuters, students and tourists. An average of about 150,000 people a day cross at the San Ysidro port
of entry. An estimated 45,000 to 50,000 cars, 25,000 to 30,000 pedestrians and 200 buses make the daily crossing there, U.S. authorities said.
Anna Cearley: (619) 542-4595; anna.cearley@uniontrib.com
Find this article at:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20070830-9...
http://signonsandiego.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?acti... 8/30/2007
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U.S. warns of border shutdown in San Diego during protests
UPDATE
U.S. warns of border shutdown in San Diego during protests
ASSOCIATED PRESS
6:51 p.m. August 29, 2007
SAN DIEGO – All vehicle and pedestrian traffic at the city's border crossings may be blocked Friday during demonstrations in Mexico over that
country's pension laws, U.S. authorities said.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection on Wednesday urged travelers to avoid the border crossings during the protests, citing Mexican news reports that
traffic in both directions may be blocked for up to six hours at San Ysidro, the nation's busiest border crossing, and at Otay Mesa.
The California Highway Patrol plans to close all southbound traffic on interstates 5 and 805 just north of the San Ysidro crossing at 8:30 a.m.
Friday. CBP will close the crossing's pedestrian bridge.
State Highway 905 southbound lanes near the Otay Mesa crossing may also close, CBP said.
Cargo traffic at the Otay Mesa is unlikely to be affected, CBP said.
In June, about 10,000 demonstrators in Mexico briefly blocked traffic between San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico. The demonstrators, many of them teachers,
protested a Mexican law passed earlier this year that raises the retirement age for workers to 60 from 50 and introduces individual retirement savings
accounts for government workers.
An average of about 30,000 pedestrians, 35,000 vehicles and 250 buses enter the U.S. each day at San Ysidro, making it the country's busiest crossing
by far.
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Baja Bernie
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FNS Special: The Border Boils with Protest.
For those who would rather stick their heads in the sand PLEASE do not read any further
Here is only some of what they are doing…The question is what is the U.S. going to do?
When they start throwing "Marcos" name around they are using code name for revolution.....and ‘possibly indirectly
inviting’ Hugo Chavez to stick his big nose into the area.
I just crossed the border, northbound and there will be a closure
tomorrow....both at San Ysidro and Otay Mesa.
Subject: FNS Special Report: The Border Boils with Protest
August 28, 2007
Political/Immigration News
The Border's Summer of Discontent
It's as if all the contradictions of the US War on Terror, immigration
reform, US-Mexico relations, free trade, and sagging economies on both
sides of the border have burst at the seams, and at the same time. As the
record hot summer of 2007 crawls to a close, the political barometer on
the US-Mexico border is tipping red. Barely a day goes by without hunger
strikes, human chains, border crossing demonstrations, marches, and calls
for economic boycotts.
In a press conference this week, Carlos Marentes, director of the El
Paso-based Border Agricultural Workers Project, said "neo-liberal"
economic policies exemplified by the North American Free Trade Agreement
(Nafta) are sparking a growing crisis in the borderlands and beyond. He
contended that US immigration laws and policies are shrouded in a veil of
"hypocrisy" which views immigrant workers as an indispensable, cheap labor
pool but then turns them into convenient political scapegoats. "We want to
stop them, but we also need them," Marentes said.
While border protests are hardly new, what's striking about the latest
manifestations of discontent is how they are cutting across the political
spectrum and even incorporating centrist and conservative forces that are
increasingly frustrated by a status quo dictated in Washington and Mexico
City.
In the wake of the US Congress' failure to pass comprehensive immigration
reform legislation this year, several developments are rekindling citizen
activism. Among the most important are the construction of new border
walls, long waits at border crossings, the Immigration and Customs
Enforcement (ICE) crackdown on undocumented workers, the deaths of
detained immigrants while in US custody, Border Patrol shootings, and the
August 19 deportation of activist Elvira Arellano.
The August 8 shooting of Jose Alejandro Ortiz by the US Border Patrol in
El Paso, Texas, unleashed a wave of indignation on the border and in
Mexico. Ortiz, who reportedly had a criminal record in both the US and
Mexico, was allegedly involved in an attempt to smuggle immigrants when he
was fatally shot.
According to the Border Patrol's account, Ortiz threatened to throw a rock
at a still-unidentified agent, who was forced to fire in self-defense at
the young man. At least one witness contradicted the official version, and
the local US attorney's office is investigating the killing. Since Ortiz
supposedly died south of the border, Mexico's Office of the Federal
Attorney General has also opened an investigation. The Ortiz shooting was
the fifth time El Paso Border Patrol agents have shot an undocumented
person this year, but the first fatal incident of 2007.
Ortiz's killing was condemned in strong language by Ciudad Juarez Bishop
Renato Ascensio Leon, Chihuahua Governor Jose Reyes Baeza, Chihuahua State
Attorney General Patricia Gonzalez and members of the federal Mexican
Congress. On Saturday, August 25, several federal congressmen from
President Calderon's center-right National Action Party leafleted
motorists crossing the Bridge of Americas between Ciudad Juarez and El
Paso. Two days earlier, Ortiz family members and supporters burned a
Border Patrol pinata at another bridge linking the two cities.
El Paso Democratic Congressman Silvestre Reyes, who headed the
El Paso Border Patrol office during the 1990s, said an investigation of
the Ortiz killing was necessary but challenged critics he said downplayed
the seriousness of rock-throwing against agents. "Anybody who thinks you
can't get killed by a rock is a fool," Congressman Reyes said at an El
Paso border security conference.
The construction of new US border walls is another issue stoking anger in
the region. While proponents of physical barriers insist the walls will
guard against terrorists, deter illegal immigrants and curb drug
traffickers, opponents, including most Texas border city mayors, contend
the million-dollar structures will divide sister cities, intrude on
private lands, create flood hazards, threaten ecosystems and wildlife like
rare jaguars, and funnel undocumented immigrants to deadlier, isolated
desert crossings.
Isabel Garcia of the Tucson-based Human Rights Coalition, said more than
200 migrants have died trying to cross the border in the Arizona-Sonora
corridor alone since October of last year. The Arizona-Sonora border is
"the epicenter of the war on immigrants," Garcia charged.
In opposition to border walls, a Texas-based group called Border
Ambassadors kicked off a 16-day campaign August 25 in El Paso. Led by Jay
J. Johnson-Castro, the group organized a small human chain across the
Santa Fe Bridge between El Paso and Ciudad Juarez.
The demonstration was supported by the League for United Latin American
Citizens, Miss Latina Texas beauty contest queens and the mayors of El
Paso and Ciudad Juarez. El Paso Mayor Cook said that people outside the
region don't understand the "symbiotic relationship" between border
communities dependent on mutual economic, academic and social exchanges.
Border Ambassadors plans human chains in the coming days in other
Texas-Mexico border cities.
A separate anti-wall mobilization is planned for October 11-13. Endorsed
by 37 Western Hemisphere non-governmental groups, the action grows out of
last year's Border Social Forum held in Ciudad Juarez. Protest organizers
include San Antonio's Southwest Workers Union, the Border Agricultural
Workers Union, Southwest Organizing Project, and many others.
Economic grievances remain are the core of many border-area protests.
Former Bracero Program guestworkers, for instance, are renewing demands
that the Mexican government compensate all the eligible braceros who had
money deducted from their paychecks decades ago for savings accounts that
never materialized.
On Monday, August 27, nine women initiated a week-long hunger strike in El
Paso against the North American Free Trade Agreement, the conditions of
women workers and treatment of immigrants in the US. Organized by La Mujer
Obrera, a longtime group of former garment industry workers, the hunger
strikers demand investment in women-centered economic development
enterprises.
In Tijuana and Ciudad Juarez, meanwhile, thousands of teachers are
expected to hold a border demonstration August 31 to protest the Mexican
government's passage of a new social security law that lengthens
retirement age eligibility requirements and sets the stage for the
privatization of pension accounts.
Building on a trend that's developed over the past few years, the latest
round of border activism is connected to issues affecting communities
across North America. In Prince William County, Virginia, the Sin
Fronteras organization launched an economic boycott this week to protest a
new county law that gives local police immigration law enforcement
responsibilities.
In an August 27 telephone press conference, representatives of several
US-based human rights and Latino and Asian community organizations
criticized the expansion of law enforcement measures once confined to the
border region to the interior of the United States. Activist leaders
condemned house-to-house ICE raids, alleged detention center abuses,
employer verification letters, the use of local police forces to enforce
immigration laws, and the appearance of high-tech aircraft monitoring
communities far from the border.
Immigrant communities are in a "state of siege," charged Christian Ramirez
of the American Friends Service Committee. Activists are "now calling for
our communities to come together and say enough to these governmental
initiatives," Ramirez added.
Veronica Carmona, an organizer for the New Mexico-based Colonias
Development Council, told Frontera NorteSur that pro-immigrant groups are
backing a national day of action for September 12. Carmona said the
character of the protest is still being debated.
If cross-border activism needed a media face, Elvira Arellano certainly
provided it. The undocumented Mexican worker's long fight to remain with
her child, a US citizen, was abruptly interrupted when ICE agents arrested
Arellano as she was leaving a Los Angeles press conference this month.
Arellano's rapid deportation to Mexico drew the protest of the Mexican
government.
Arellano's arrest injected new life into the immigrant rights movement,
and thousands of people streamed into the streets of Los Angeles on August
25 chanting "We are all Elvira," a slogan evocative of the 1994 cry in
Mexico, "We are all Marcos," in allusion to the Zapatista subcomandante.
The Arellano case received ample coverage and touched off sharp commentary
in the Mexican media, with some outlets proclaiming the young woman as the
"symbol" of the Mexican immigrant in the US.
Additional sources: Univison, August 18 and 27, 2008. El Universal, August
26, 2007. Article by Julieta Martinez. El Sur, August 26, 2007. Norte,
August 14, 16, 25 and 26, 2007. Articles by Ricardo Espinoza, Antonio
Flores Schroeder, Pablo Hernandez Batista, Jorge Chairez Daniel and Carlos
Huerta. La Jornada, August 11, 21 and 26, 2007. Articles by Ruben
Villalpando, the Notimex news agency and editorial staff. El Paso Times,
August 21, 24, 25 and 26, 2007. Articles by Daniel Borunda, Louie Gilot
and Adriana M. Chavez. Lapolaka.com, August 9, 14, 25, 26, 27, 2007. El
Diario de Juarez, August 9, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 2007.
Frontera NorteSur (FNS): on-line, U.S.-Mexico border news
Center for Latin American and Border Studies
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, New Mexico
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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rpleger
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Oh, oh
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Hook
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Damn, I should have bought in an enclave.
Somebody thinks that NAFTRA is a "neo-liberal" plot? Quite the opposite, IMO.
Can somebody tell me if LULAC is a 501(c) (3) organization? I already know they are racist...........just wondering if they are allowed to be this
political.
Yep, it's all the United States' fault............
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DENNIS
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Gee whiz.
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toneart
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Regardless of what you, I or anyone here thinks, the reality of the situation is upon us. We have to see it from the Mexican's point of view.
We are seen as racist.
The wall is a hostle offense.
Shootings of illegals, separation of a mother and child by deportation, are all seen as affronts to Mexicans.
Don't you find it odd that Bush's base is so vocal and anti-immigrado, and not understanding of Mexican culture, and yet they get no support from
Bush?...Only lip service. The status quo is just fine with the Bush Administration. The cheap labor fills a need. That's just pragmatic.
You think you are fed up? That's nothing compared to the backlash to our hostile attitudes that is building.
Bush is doing irreparable harm to our relations with the rest of the world. By alienation, he is isolating us. NAFTA is unfair trade. Who does it
benefit? Not people. He is also leaving you guys who voted for him and still support him, out in the cold.
Shock and Awe doesn't work. It just kills people.
You guys are slow to get it. Ours is a failed government....not of and for the people. Genius! 
Violence begets violence. Your guy did say, "Bring it on". Well, here it comes, from all fronts. Better readjust your attitudes.
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Hook
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Here's a cheerful little article that came out today.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/back707.html
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sorry, but
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WE don't have to see nothing from anyone's point of view! i can't wait until some enterprising AMERICANS decide to shut down san
ysidro crossing one day!!! the mexicans will HOWL, "racist gringos!" who cares what anyone thinks? i don't care.......
now i'll go prepare my stuff for the early a.m. border crossing to spend 5 days south of the border. you know, spend a couple of three hundred
dollars, spread all up and down the hiway, and then GO HOME. i won't stay and expect the mexican govt to pay for my hospital bills, edumicate my kids,
etc....ad nauseum!!!!!
sorrry, lotta packing to do......
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Look at the bright side, this might slow down the gringofication and canuckification of baja.
Especially if the average Mexican decides he/she hates norte americanos and crossing the border becomes even more difficult for everyone.
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Look at the bright side, this might slow down the gringofication and canuckification of baja.
Especially if the average Mexican decides he/she hates norte americanos and crossing the border becomes even more difficult for everyone.
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one can only hope they are that smart....
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Very interesting! I will refute some of the study's premise:
It is based on census projections, based on current rate of influx. This is only one factor that could determine what our quality of life will be.
Other factors are overpopulation in general, survival of our ecosystem and what effect future wars will have.
Regarding statistics based on census projections, it doesn't take into account these factors:
Immigrants come because there is opportunity. Market conditions and degradation of quality of life will also cause many to stop coming. As things get
tougher in the United States, many of our population will also seek to escape. (Get outta here....I saw Baja first).
Even though population will increase, conditions will balance out.
Oh, life won't be as we know it today. It is doubtful it will be better here on earth. Space exploration and relocation could also enter into the
equation. That doesn't sound very earthy, does it? Things will most certainly be different. Changes are accelerating at a pace never before
experienced. Events in the very near future will grab our attention way before any census based projection materializes; events that we have not yet
even conceived of.
Humans have survival built into our DNA. Even though us old farts won't be around, our progeny will, unless our present collision course with total
destruction maintains. That course is what we need to be basing our future statistics on. Zero doesn't look very promising for our quality of life.
[Edited on 8-31-2007 by toneart]
My head hurts. I think I will go play leapfrog. 
[Edited on 8-31-2007 by toneart]
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Hook
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And you dont see that the BEST solution to the problems of Mexican immigration is to provide the jobs where they live, rather than up here? I cant
believe that, given a choice between entering a new culture with a strange language and working in the area their families live, they wouldnt choose
the latter every time.
The immigration issue is as much a statement of the failings of the Mexico as it is about the opportunities of the US.
Many of us are tired of the blame-game directed at US citizens as racist, when there is PLENTY OF BLAME TO GO AROUND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER.
In the meantime, the middle class of American can no longer afford to foot all the legal and medical billls that illegal immigration brings.
Maybe if Mexico had to shell out for a true defense budget to protect her borders (instead of relying on US treaties for defense of her borders from
external threats), she might feel the squeeze we are in.
Or, maybe if her super-rich, monopolizing ruling class had more compassion for her workers?
Space colonization wont make the burgeoning deficits of Medicare and Social Security go away, Toneart. That's our biggest threat, IMO.
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