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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 08:20 PM


I'd thought of rigging a trip wire around the camp that would set off flashing lights and a loud alarm but I stopped camping in those areas before I got around to trying it out. Where I go now probably only the coyotes or drug runners would set it off and I'd just as soon leave them alone.
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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 08:28 PM


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You gonna order or just drool on my food ?
Nice tip, come back never !
2 whole chubs ? Hey Abe, another big spender !

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Some people might think NYC, but I know Chicago when I hear it.

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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 08:47 PM


http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/showflat.php?Number=1275018

Forum on Surfer website - fyi :cool:




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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 09:03 PM


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Originally posted by bajabound2005
So Dave - what's your story? You apparently LIVE on this (Mexican) side of the border...and we never had the privilege of dining at your deli before it closed (sign is still up - we did try)! Totally understand that "Mexico" doesn't care about the tourists on this board -- but really?? "Mexico" may not care but Baja does! Isn't it time someONE took a stand and did SOMEthing? What happens here is insane, crazy, stupid, bad....I'm sure the rest of the Nomads have better words to describe it.


Although we got our share, the deli didn't court/encourage the tourist trade. We targeted ex-pats and the local business professional, a more stable clientele. Besides, locals and tourists don't mix. It worked well. Sold the building last January.

That Baja or its people care?

Sure they do, but what then? The people have proven time and again unwilling to be proactive about anything. They don't hold the government accountable and consequently the government is sterile and corrupt.

Regarding "what happens here":

For those who consider it intolerable my suggestion would be to stay away. Encourage others to do the same-or not. Try to influence the powers that be to fix it-or not. Most, if not all, of the bad stuff has been reported and as I pointed out, it doesn't seem to make much difference. People are still coming, so...what do I know? It will probably take something really, really bad to change people's minds. Or maybe not.




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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 09:06 PM


Thanks Sculpin...

Just tried to register and get in. Guess it takes a little time but, I want to talk with everybody over there. They have to know, in my opinion, of the power they have in their hands and why they should use it.
I'm pleading with a bunch of dead people here.
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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 09:13 PM
You first


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Quote:
Originally posted by Dave
I'm amazed. .

That's one of your problems Dave. You stand there, "AMAZED."
What you should be is indignant. Loud and vocal telling the world how ****** it is that the government of the country you have chosen to live in has given tacit approval to their agencys to terrorize and rob and abuse their guests.
Amazing, isn't it.



I like it here and want to stay here. As part of the bargain I promised not stick my nose in Mexico's business. You know that as well.

Not fair.

[Edited on 11-15-2007 by Hose A]
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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 09:18 PM


What about the BajaNomad sticker. You think that'll scare em?
All there ideas are great but where's the teeth? Who in a position of power is willing to help?
It seems we are helpless. What can we do?




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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 09:24 PM


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They don't hold the government accountable and consequently the government is sterile and corrupt.


That's boolchit as well Dave. They hold the government accountable for everything. They just don't have the power to uphold it. The people know it's true and the government people know it's true. It all stops there. As the people know, a lesson that the American Expats are learning, is the governments propensity to use Implausible Denial. They have the power, so, they can deny anything. They can deny that the sun rises in the east if it serves their purpose. Implausible...impossible. Doesn't matter. The government has spoken.
Logic in Mexico as we know it is a joke. We all know that if we've had any dealings with the people or their government.

I hope I'm being illogical. I like being correct.
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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 10:09 PM


Here's the State Department's current list of travel advisories - no Mexico.
I wonder how many Americans go to Eritrea ?

Eritrea 11/14/2007
Somalia 11/13/2007
Nigeria 10/30/2007
Uzbekistan 10/25/2007
Sri Lanka 10/19/2007
Kenya 10/18/2007
Lebanon 10/17/2007
Indonesia 10/05/2007
Yemen 09/24/2007
Nepal 09/24/2007
Pakistan 09/21/2007
Syria 09/18/2007
Algeria 09/14/2007
Timor-Leste 09/12/2007
Sudan 09/06/2007
Haiti 08/31/2007
Burundi 08/09/2007
Central African Republic 08/09/2007
Iraq 07/23/2007
Israel, the West Bank and Gaza 07/13/2007
Saudi Arabia 06/14/2007
Chad 06/11/2007
Colombia 06/04/2007
Côte d'Ivoire 06/01/2007
Iran 05/31/2007
Philippines 04/27/2007
Congo, Democratic Republic of the 04/24/2007
Afghanistan 04/04/2007

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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 10:25 PM


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Here's the State Department's current list of travel advisories - no Mexico.
I wonder how many Americans go to Eritrea ?.

When I move out of Mexico, that's where I'm going. I need a place to relax.
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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 10:31 PM


Dennis, I was there too...hope you get through to them. Many there are receptive. I thought about it, but I do not do well in...Damn, I cannot find the words to describe the mental level there...sorry...they still need help and maybe would listen. They are the ones being targeted...goog luck...I will read.



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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 10:45 PM
Solution


I gotta get one of these

[Edited on 11-15-2007 by bajaguy]
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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 10:48 PM


Me too.
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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 10:49 PM


ok, didn't work..............
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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 11:19 PM


Yep, just watched the lead story on Fox News here in San Diego about the break-in. Good for the victims to report the incident. At least they are going on record. Too often, I question the validity of the report as the supposed victim did not report the crime. I have much more faith with this incident as the victims reported the crime and thus will take precautions. I still think many of the reports are B. S. and that's one of the main problems....we don't know if the crimes are real or not.

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[*] posted on 11-14-2007 at 11:31 PM


Ahem....just a new member, really, but NOT new to surfing in baja
or the threats of banditos, thievery, baja risk factors etc...

A couple of things to consider in this realm...The third world factor....

When we go down there with SO MUCH STUFF, we are basically
flaunting our wealth / possessions / stuff right in the faces of both
the humble poor who mind their own business (not a threat) and the
nasty dangerous criminals who are looking for a FAT CAT who is an
easy target. Camping at Cuatros Casas is fairly nasty to begin with...
Sorry to dis that scene but it is...Its been sketchy for years and its
a spot to avoid....Camalu town is super poor, Shipwrecks and Cuatros
and Camalu point are all NO GO zones as far as I am concerned.

What makes these spots NO GO Zones- okay - here goes:
1) Above the Guererro Negro Checkpoint is just not safe...
Why? Because in order to pass into BCS you have to have
proper documentation to cross the checkpoint. Sketchers,
hackers and Banditos - both American and Mexican don't
have it together enough to cross the BCS (Baja California Sur)
checkpoint.
2) The Northern Baja region is filled with sketchers - Americans
on the run and Mexicans who aren't satisfied with the rich / poor
gap they see so clearly everyday driving on the roads right in front
of them, other side of the border...Not to say that most americans
in the North are sketchy and not to say that most mexicans in the
north are sketchy cuz they are not....BUT...there are more #s of
sketchy folks in the Northern Region. I consider Tijuana to be a war
zone....Rosarito is scary too...NO GO ZONE...

3) The Southern Region is just a little bit better cuz the people
are relaxed by the warmer temperatures year 'round...They are happier
with their lives and not constantly comparing themselves to RICH americans...
They are not thinking of running across the border and escaping their scenes...
They have more veggies and fruit in the south and many mexicans have
good lifestyles, albeit still relatively poor, but solid healthy, happy traditional
lifestyles...

4) Bad Combinations = Bad Results:
Expensive vehicles with expensive toys attatched-Flaunting Wealth =BAD
Driving at Night or Pre-Dawn= BAD (This is the #1 no-no)
Camping near the main road, ez access spots= BAD (Banditos see you, rob you then bail)
Leaving any valuables out while camped in an ez access spot = BAD (see above)
Camping in Northern Baja in a highly travelled area near poor populations =BAD

So, basically, camping should be done in safe, remote locations, far from Hackers,
get to know the locals, check the vibe, talk to the locals, befriend the locals or if it
doesn't seem right, bail and find a place that seems right...RV campers should stay
in RV parks where they won't get hassled in the middle of the night by the baddies...

Cheap hotels are safe and often have secured parking.

Plan on a going to a war zone, take all the precautions of going into a war zone
and don't flaunt your wealth or get sloppy with your stuff or drunken antics...

Lock your stuff, stay out of site, stay away from the main roads when camping
and always feel the vibe....Don't force a bad situation - Like driving at night...or
like planning to camp at the last minute...plan out your days and provide for
enough time to do the safest thing...Don't squid out like high school kids on
their first trip to Baja...Take a rational - safety first approach.

Think about how desperate 3rd world people in Northern Baja think about
what you have and why they don't have it...Jealousy and desperation lead
to nasty things and sometimes they lead to gangs, drugs, and crime...

If you enter the baja with this awareness then less bad things will happen...

My wife just came in the room and reminded me to remind you all....
"Don't drive alone" - thanks honey...

Wishing you happy travels, always err on the safe side, good luck
and enjoy the warm mexico as the rest of North America begins
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[*] posted on 11-15-2007 at 09:56 AM


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Originally posted by vivaloha

1) Above the Guererro Negro Checkpoint is just not safe...
Why? Because in order to pass into BCS you have to have
proper documentation to cross the checkpoint. Sketchers,
hackers and Banditos - both American and Mexican don't
have it together enough to cross the BCS (Baja California Sur)
checkpoint.


This is just funny. That "checkpoint" is hardly a barrier. Most locals don't go through the checkpoint at all.

And why make excuses for the scumbags that do these things? A woman gets raped and we blame her for having too much stuff? :o

While it always pays to be aware of your surroundings, the truth is that the corruption prevents these problems from being addressed the way they should. Dave is right - the govt doesn't give a flip about the folks that drive down and camp on the beach.


[Edited on 11-15-2007 by Roberto]
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[*] posted on 11-15-2007 at 10:09 AM
only in the north?


Is this confined to the northern area of Baja, where surfers and other travelers come down from San Diego? I'll be at the southern end (it'll be my first time to Baja) next week and I'll be driving between Cabo and La Paz and then looping to SJ del Cabo. I will NOT drive at night. Does anyone know if any criminal activity like what's being discussed on this post, is happening down in those southern areas?
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[*] posted on 11-15-2007 at 10:18 AM


Vivaloha-----

Thank you for that post----------lots of really good advice there, and this comment coming from a long time Baja visitor: ME.

Like Roberto, I feel the GN checkpoint probably only effects the "good guys" and not the "bad guys", but still it probably is partially effective.

Everything else you say is spot on.

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[*] posted on 11-15-2007 at 10:19 AM


Lady of the sea,

Now don't you go paranoid on us. We have enough of these clowns on this board.
Just enjoy yourself and pretend that you never read this thread. It'safer where you are then traveling around southern California.:P:P




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