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Pompano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Great photos EMAM... Good explanation...No need to defend yourself any further! |
I totally agree. Great photos! Well done and I appreciate your heart-felt thoughts on sustaining our gamefish stocks. As with all true
sportsfishermen and concerned people world-wide, I can see that your first thoughts in this case are for the marine environment and it's creatures.
It follows that your concerns extend to land environments as well.
Your photos are top rate, brilliant, and hopefully you will post many more here. Gracias for the pleasure.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Sharksbaja
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EMAM, guilty by association
Thank you for the explanation. Ya know, some people are very serious about keeping or releasing a fish that they have waited their whole lives to
catch. I can understand that, but I feel duty trumps in the case of endangered species.
I also understand the problem with longliners and Norma 029. It's tragic to say the least.
It's such a shame that the govt in Mex can't administer laws with an even hand. It opens the wrong doors in the wrong places.
I was a bit abrupt and rather steamed to see that type of fishing. It struck a real nerve. Good on you for understanding.
I suppose there will always be a greedy sportsmen or two around. In Mexico can you donate your fish to a school. In one way I think it's wonderful
tho in another way it could be a scary thang.
btw. the photos you take are amazing
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon Man
As for the taking of fish to feed the school kids...that's a noble thought. But the thought of mako and marlin as school lunch is a bit foolish. Why
not donate the cost of the charter boat to the school and be done with it? Those hundreds of dollars would buy a lot of non-threatened lunch.  |
I agree with this opinion strongly.
Perhaps it's a time-honored way that the people of baja have used to help the needy in their community and minds have already been set on this matter.
Gringos and their fancy conservation ideas are not welcome. "It's our land, our fish, and we will do with them as we please".
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon Man
As for the taking of fish to feed the school kids...that's a noble thought. But the thought of mako and marlin as school lunch is a bit foolish. Why
not donate the cost of the charter boat to the school and be done with it? Those hundreds of dollars would buy a lot of non-threatened lunch. |
I agree with this opinion strongly.
Perhaps it's a time-honored way that the people of baja have used to help the needy in their community and minds have already been set on this matter.
Gringos and their fancy conservation ideas are not welcome. "It's our land, our fish, and we will do with them as we please". |
You are going to just love Graham's new book... about the poachers (fishermen) on Guardian Angel Island and what they do to their own land/ sea...
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cardon Man
As for the taking of fish to feed the school kids...that's a noble thought. But the thought of mako and marlin as school lunch is a bit foolish. Why
not donate the cost of the charter boat to the school and be done with it? Those hundreds of dollars would buy a lot of non-threatened lunch. |
I agree with this opinion strongly.
Perhaps it's a time-honored way that the people of baja have used to help the needy in their community and minds have already been set on this matter.
Gringos and their fancy conservation ideas are not welcome. "It's our land, our fish, and we will do with them as we please". |
Therein lies the problem, are they really their fish? Did you see the tracking info posted earlier?
I assume what you mean is, that fish, shark, whales etc. belong to whoever owns/controls the sea.
That is the biggest problem isn't it, some care while others don't.
I seriously doubt that kids get a less nutritious school lunch in Mexico than in the US. I'd like to see REAL fish served at our schools, not some
breaded frozen then fried thang.
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In Defence of the guy that originally chartered the boat, and donated the fish, he told me that each year he donates around $5000 in funds he raises
back home in the states to this school.
He also told me that he works for Pepsi Co. and they double what ever he can raise throughout the year. So this year he donated around $15,000 to the
school!! That is very admirable in my mind.
But he said that it still goes for much needed supplies, and the food is just a help to make sure the kids are eating well. When we come down next
year, as we plan to, we will stop and pick up many supplies before we come down to donate to a few various schools along the way.
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Sharksbaja
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Pepsi Co executive
That figures. A real philanthropist eh? Yes, I'm sure he has lots to say about Mexico. Still isn't right imho.
He does seem to have garnered some friends here though.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Therein lies the problem, are they really their fish? Did you see the tracking info posted earlier?
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I suppose that's true with pelagics.
I don't know what the limit is on albacore these days, but let's say you catch one more than your limit and the game warden fines you $150 for the
infraction. I'm sure my thought would be about the same school making it's way across the pond in about 3 months to Japan waters and being worked over
by the commercials like there's no tomorrow. Seems unjust and senseless.
I think it's called "rowing with one oar" . We're not moving forward. We're
going in circles.
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Pompano
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albacore and salmon
The same scenario, Igor. The commercial fishermen of US and Canada are allowed so many salmon, as are the sportsfishermen. Almost to a man, they
obey stringent laws and limits.
Then the Japanese, Korean, and many other nations wait for those US and Canadian born 'products' to swim thier way into the gillnets at sea that will
soon decimate them.
That salmon on your cafe plate might be one of ours...or one of thiers. This photo is from one of the USA's top salmon areas...Naknek, Bristol Bay,
Alaska. Sockeyes...reds.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I seriously doubt that kids get a less nutritious school lunch in Mexico than in the US. |
Come on Sharks. Don't ruin your credibility. At least not where I live unless they bring it from home. |
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Well lets see....the Mexican Government sets its bag limits on what and how many fish you can catch. Im assuming they put some thought behind it. If
they want to do something to protect their resource then I'd reluctantly (it's none of business however) suggest they do something about the
commercial fishing and its waste.
Nothing and I mean nothing the sports fishermen will do will be the cause of screwing up the resource.
I'm a son of a 30 year Game Warden and born and raised conservationist. My dad approves this message.
Nice pictures
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I seriously doubt that kids get a less nutritious school lunch in Mexico than in the US. |
Come on Sharks. Don't ruin your credibility. At least not where I live unless they bring it from home. |
Ok, I admit, I was exaggerating. I really can't say I know what they serve/eat but I doubt it's bad for you. Can you share what you know.
Seriously, the food served in the majority of US schools is high in fats, high fructose corn syrup and whatnot. It's overprocessed and designed to
last. My kids won't eat it. |
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mulegemichael
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pomp, i prefer MY salmon pic to YOUR salmon pic...esthetically, i mean
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paladin
Im assuming they put some thought behind it. |
Really. I guess you're not too familiar with how this type of thing is done in Mexico.
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Yeah, but this is a stupid justification for killing marlin and Sharks. If you want a tasty fish to give to the school kids go catch a batch of
trigger fish or bottom fish which are thick and less susceptible to being destroyed. I am a yellowtail fisherman and I do bring some fish back to
give to my friends but make no mistake, if I want to feed a crowd of people or have a fish fry at my house, I always go out and catch a batch of
baybass which are tastier and very prolific. So for the most part we justify our actions of catching very sporting fish and then follow up with a
mealy justification of, I gave it to the kids at school. Give them something that tastes better than mako or marlin.
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Good group of people to fish with! I was there in December, and had the opportunity to fish on both the Awesome and the Too Awesome. We did keep the
Sierra we caught and they were mighty tasty!
I will be going back down to the East Cape RV resort this fall, and parking my Father-in law there on a permanent site. Tell Threasa, Congo and Iraki
that Jerry, Diana, and Ron said hi
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Hey Kodiak, isnt that place amazing!
Of all the RV Parks we've stayed in the Baja, that has to be the nicest and run by two of the nicest people we've met.
Our only problem is, with our limited budget, we cant afford to stay in too many RV Parks. We had to leave to head back to a beach where it's
free
That's why we paid all this money for solar panels and big batteries
We'll be back though next year for sure to East Cape
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Geez, I cant believe all the bantering over a guy catching and keeping a few fish. Just about every single time someone posts something about catching
fish here they get attacked. I dont see what the problem is with people fishing within the limits of the law. While it might be un-popular with some
to keep a marlin or a shark, it is legal. The experts set the catch and take limits to protect the resources and most sportfihermen practice catch and
release especially with marlin, no big deal if one gets eaten occationally. Sport fishing within the limits of the law poses absolutely no threat to
any species. Makos are even considered a game fish and are great table fare. There is even a fairly big Mako tournement every year in southern
California...whats all the fuss about?
Work is just something I do to keep me buzy between baja trips!
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Ignorance!
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| Quote: | quote]Originally posted by bajabum
Geez, I cant believe all the bantering over a guy catching and keeping a few fish. Just about every single time someone posts something about catching
fish here they get attacked. I dont see what the problem is with people fishing within the limits of the law. While it might be un-popular with some
to keep a marlin or a shark, it is legal. The experts set the catch and take limits to protect the resources and most sportfihermen practice catch and
release especially with marlin, no big deal if one gets eaten occationally. Sport fishing within the limits of the law poses absolutely no threat to
any species. Makos are even considered a game fish and are great table fare. There is even a fairly big Mako tournement every year in southern
California...whats all the fuss about? |
Mexico's sport regulations seem lacking in expertise, and Mexico seems virtually incapable of timely reviews and revisions, necessary components of
expert fisheries management. Legal limits (5 fish) of some slow growing reef species will allow their demise, and in some regions where they are
already rare, will prevent their return. Odd that dorado, perhaps the fastest growing and shortest lived of the major game fishes, receives more
protection than broomtail grouper, black seabass, gulf grouper, or cabrilla (genuine cabrilla, as opposed to leopard grouper).
The poster took only photos, and he has posted wonderful photos on this and other threads.
Catch and release of marlin has been important in maintaining the availability of these fish for the sport fisherman, and for the businesses that they
support. The popularity of this catch and release ethic owes nothing to the government fisheries people, but a great deal to the resorts and captains
in places like Los Cabos and the East Cape. These are the true experts here. Apparently the angler who killed these fish did so against the express
wishes of the local experts he hired to take him fishing. Bad form, imo. And as for "keeping the fish to feed school children" the economics of that
is so patently absurd that I frankly do not believe that was a motive for killing the fish.
While I don't get bent out of shape over every sport fisherman who may kill a marlin, when a regular, experienced angler chooses to kill one against
the advice of the locals he fishes with, I'm going to side with his critics.
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