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gnukid
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Funny, Cabokid, there is only one CaboKid? Now, later, suddenly you? have the insight to what happened which suggests that the victim was reckless and
violent but this isn't mentioned by the cops or anyone else previously? Its possible he was resisting arrest, I bet anyone with courage would resist
being dragged away from your holiday by corrupt rogue Cabo Cops knowing what will happen. Hmmm do you work in Bien Raices? Promote Real Estate? Are
you really The CaboKid? Do you know The CaboKing?
Not knowing more, since you weren't on site, we can take the official report and admissions as partially factual, the victim was taken into custody
and was alive and well prior to being taken into custody, he was later found killed in prison at the hands of the cops. Your hearsay is of no help, is
not applicable, and is no way helpful as evidence which makes your comments suspicious in their attempt to distract from the crime--a murder. This is
an admitted abuse of power and unjustified. The cops themselves have problems with their own story among themselves and have turned on each other, the
timeline puts the man in custody at the time of his injuries and death. The cops took action to hide evidence and tamper with video to hide the abuse.
We seek the prosecution of the cops who did this to a innocent person in prison. We will not forget nor deny what happened, again. These cops are
criminal and murderous and they have destroyed the fabric of our community. We stand together for the rule of law in all the land. We will fight to
end Police corruption and abuse, aggression and violence! We will prosecute these criminal cops to the full extent possible on both sides of the
border.
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Easy GnuKid. You are jumping to a lot of conclusions without all the facts. Here is a more complete account of the incident:
From The Oregonian of Sunday, Sept. 7, 2008 -- Police beat Oregon man to death, says prosecutor
By Susan Goldsmith
SAN JOSE DEL CABO, Mexico -- The prosecutor investigating an Oregon man's Aug. 27 death in a Mexican jail says evidence gathered over the past week
has left him convinced that Sam Botner was beaten to death at the hands of police officers.
And that somebody should pay for the crime.
"We are not going to permit this and not going to have our hands trembling in this investigation," prosecutor Omar Barajas said Friday during a
90-minute interview in his nondescript government office. "We will pursue this investigation until the responsible people are in prison."
Botner had traces of marijuana, cocaine and methamphetamine in his system, although the medical examiner's report did not determine when those drugs
were ingested, Barajas said.
Botner's father said it was immaterial to his son's tragic end.
"It's possible he may have taken something, but that doesn't excuse them for murdering him," Nicholas Botner said.
Six police officials are in custody, including the commander of the tiny San Jose del Cabo jail. Barajas said his investigation will try to unravel
who delivered the fatal blows.
Botner, a 38-year-old Yoncalla native, was vacationing in San Jose del Cabo with his wife, Kym, after returning from a commercial fishing trip to
Alaska.
Postmortem photos of Botner, which have not been made public but were shown to reporters from The Oregonian, show he sustained a black eye, fractured
nose and bruises on his face, shoulders, knees and arms. Although the autopsy concluded Botner died of asphyxiation, Barajas said, officials will
conduct a detailed analysis of the medical examiner's findings to determine what happened in the 40 minutes between Botner's arrival at the jail and
his death.
"We're investigating a homicide," Barajas said. "We want Kym Botner to know we are doing everything we can to obtain justice."
Police officials say they detained Sam Botner after he attacked Ramon del Rio, another resident of the beachfront condominiums where Botner was
staying. Botner pulled a knife and slashed del Rio in the torso and neck, police said. Barajas said Del Rio slugged Botner in the face.
In his first interview with the news media, Del Rio, a Mexican national, said Saturday that he arrived home and opened his apartment door and was
attacked from behind. Botner pushed him inside and began stabbing him with a knife, del Rio said. He described Botner as "crazy out of his mind on
drugs."
Del Rio said he was stabbed six times, suffering one wound in the neck and several in the torso. The wounds required 25 stitches, del Rio said.
Hospital records show he was kept overnight.
Del Rio said he did not fight back but did manage to push Botner out the door and close it. He went for help and found a security guard.
Del Rio called the encounter a "nightmare."
The security guard called paramedics and police. Botner was taken to a tiny two-cell jail nearby. He arrived at the jail at about 8:50 p.m.
Doctor looks at Botner
A doctor at the jail examined Botner before he was booked, which officials said was standard procedure, and concluded that he'd sustained minor facial
injuries in the fight at the condominium complex. No other injuries were documented, records show.
Surveillance videotape from that evening shows that police officials struggled to get Botner into a holding cell, Barajas said.
Two video cameras in the jail's entryway recorded several police officials attempting to move him inside. But what happened in the next half-hour was
not caught on tape.
Whatever happened, an inmate in one of the cells was screaming by 9:27 p.m. that Botner had stopped moving and needed help. A jail official could find
no pulse. Paramedics were called, but Botner was already dead.
Jorge Castaneda, a spokesman for the jail, said Friday that Botner was never moved into a cell and died in the jail's entryway. Some other reports
have conflicted with that account.
According to Castaneda, one of the detained police officials has been on the force for a year, and the others have been with the department between
eight and 12 years. Castaneda said he didn't know which, if any, of the arrested officials had disciplinary records, because such records are kept
elsewhere.
Botner's killing is the talk of this upscale coastal community that caters to tourists, many from the United States. News about the Yoncalla man's
beating and death has been on the front pages of the local newspapers for days.
Barajas said all six of the arrested police officials are being held in the state capital of La Paz and are unable to speak with one another.
Conflicting accounts
In his interviews with the police officials, Barajas said the arrested men told contradictory statements about what occurred the night Botner died.
One of the officers admitted kicking Botner, Barajas said.
Although some Mexican press accounts of Botner's death said the surveillance videotape was tampered with, Barajas said that those reports are
inaccurate.
"The police station videotape was not edited or messed with in any way," he said.
Unfortunately, he added, "the video shows only part of what happened that night."
Nicholas Botner described his son as a hard-working and easy-going man who cut wood in his spare time for elderly Yoncalla residents who'd known him
for years.
"He would not charge them," Botner said. "He was so generous that way."
Botner said his son was taken into custody with his wallet and $4,000 in cash in an envelope, because he didn't want to leave the money in the condo
unit. When Kym Botner went to the police station the day after her husband was killed, both the wallet and money were missing, Nicholas Botner said.
"Besides killing him, they robbed him," Nicholas Botner said. "His clothing had been destroyed, too, because it had evidence."
Before his son was prepared for burial, Botner said, he viewed the body.
"They only had his face exposed. It was horrible," Botner recalled. "He was black and blue all over and had blood in his ear."
-- Susan Goldsmith; susangoldsmith@news.oregonian.com
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gnukid
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wow thanks for the update... it seems all in all that the case is being handled fairly and reported well with follow through, as least to date. Scary
business.
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I think you are going to find, when all is said and done, that everyone is at fault, from perps to victim.
I think the message is very clear, don't screw with the police in Mexico. If you can't abide by that, then you probably shouldn't come here.
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Yep , the real one and only Cabo kid, no don't know Cabo King ( should I?) and don't work for anyone except myself.
Courage you say to resist the police after assaulting another person with a knife then not doing as ordered. I say stupid or maybe crazy .
I do not judge the police and surly Mr. Botner did not deserve to die at the hands of the police. I am just stateing some facts that were told to me
by an I witness. Yes it is hear say which I know will not hold up in any court . I did have some inside information that I thought I would share with
the readers that I belive it is relevant to the story.
"Official Report" really ,didn't know the papers could do that kind of reporting . If It's in the paper it must be true. Having been involved in many
news worthy stories and seeing them in print I often thought ,where they talking about the same story.
It appears to me people are quick to make judgement and think we should hold or opinions to ourself before we know the facts.
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gnukid
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Its very sad. I am sorry for the families involved.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cabokid
I've seen here in the states where in this situtation the police shoot first and then ask questions. I wonder if they had to do over again if they
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Exactly, if he had a knife and wouldn't drop it and made any kind of move toward the cops, in Bakersfield, he would be shot and killed. The cop would
be placed on paid administrative leave while it is investigated. Happens several times a year around here, usually with drug addicts. We had a case
last year where a cop was arresting a guy and he went for a cell phone in his pocket and the cop shot and killed him. The police board said the cop
did nothing wrong.
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He was either high on Meth or highly intoxicated on alcohol. The Police would have been justifed in shootig him in the beginning, however they were
able to subdue him. He probably got the beat down at the station for resisting there or as punishment for the evenings event. Either way the cops
should have been trained to subdue a violent individual high on drugs a little quicker without beating him to a pulp.
Sounds like this individual found trouble in mexico and paid for it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
He was either high on Meth or highly intoxicated on alcohol. The Police would have been justifed in shootig him in the beginning
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That's nonsense. Killing a man is not the first resort of law enforcement. They overpowered him and took him into custody. How could they lose
control at that point? The lethal beating was a power trip and you don't have to be an eye witness to know that.
What's with these servers and protectors? Don't they have Taser?
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by DENNISWhat's with these servers and protectors? Don't they have Taser? |
Uhhhh, no. They have two fists, one called 'lightening' the other called 'thunder.' None of that sanitary Taser stuff for them.
"Protect and Serve?" That's a US concept. You're in Mexico buddy. Accept it.
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Then maybe they should take the slogan off the door of their police cars.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Then maybe they should take the slogan off the door of their police cars. |
Just eye candy.
[Edited on 9-9-2008 by oxxo]
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Since he was high and a number of drugs. It is possible that he died of Custody Death Syndrome. It is occurs within 24 hours of arrest when the inmate
is high on drugs, agitated, and exerting enegry(fighting). Its the high heart rate due to the drugs and resisting coupled with increase in body
temperature that leads to sudden death.
Sounds like this individual paid the ultimate price for his drug use.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
I think the message is very clear, don't screw with the police in Mexico. If you can't abide by that, then you probably shouldn't come here.
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I'd agree. I once saw a fight break out between some high school aged kids in a plaza in a large town in central Mexico. Within about 5 seconds of
the trouble breaking out two large Mexican police brushed past my shoulder as they bounded across the plaza and straight into the crowd of about 50 to
70 youths.
Several youths were knocked down as the police made their way to the center of the melee... and just as quickly.. the two police emerged from the
rapidly scatting crowd each with a pair of troublemakers. The police had hold of the kids by the collar of their shirt, like a mother cat would pick
up a kitten, as they dragged all four of the kids across the plaza, over some benches, bushes, iron fencing etc..
The whole incident was over in less than 20 seconds, order was restored, and some bruised kids got what they came looking for.
I was impressed. 
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Corruption is getting a traffic ticket in California. Pay the fine plus court costs, plus traffic school and if your unlucky a penalty assessment
making a 150 dollar ticket turn into a 1000 affair.
20 bucks for bribe should be considered a gift.
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In today's paper
http://www.tribunadeloscabos.com.mx/newpage/index.cfm?op=por...
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What does it say in English?....dt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
What does it say in English?....dt |
It basically sayss those cops who killed Sam Botner are plea bargaining the charges down to lower level offenses.
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Thanks for the translation....dt
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It also says that the pictured are in jail, that one defendent paid a 15,000 peso bail and is out of jail.
One of these men admitted to hitting the guy but said that he did not intend to kill him.
At least that is what I think it says.
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