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movinguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajasol
Was there not a golf resort planned a few years ago deep down on the Pacific side...three courses by three pros...And the only way to get there was by
plane or chopper? What ever happened to that project? I think Fazzio was one of the designers... |
They abandoned - er, postponed the El Rosario project to focus on their development in Cabo:
www.diamantelife.com
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bajasol
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Thats the one! Was it also named Diamante? Looked nice but a little too far fetched. I can't wait to see the $10 million dollar residence at Tiger's
place. Sure sign me up for two...
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fishingmako
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This is a project for the very Rich only, I have been out in a boat a couple of weeks ago and checked it out, you should see the boat ramp, it is on a
45 degree angle I have absolutely no idea how they plan to launch anything from here, they will need cranes, it is almost impossible to launch a boat
from here.
All people arriving will be by HELICOPTER or a very few by boat because of the terrain involved.
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CaboRon
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Maybe they will be bringing the boats in via heliocopter 
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajasol
Thats the one! Was it also named Diamante? Looked nice but a little too far fetched. I can't wait to see the $10 million dollar residence at Tiger's
place. Sure sign me up for two... |
Diamante del Mar
(good things happen to those who wait!)
They are developing the Cabo property first, as it has all the infrastructure in place. When done, they will return to El Rosario with new knowledge
to help them develope the finest golf project possible.
From the El Rosario mesa military checkpoint, look west and see the mile long concrete jet runway for Diamante Del Mar.
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tripledigitken
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David,
Do you have that book marked on Google Earth or Wikimapia?
Ken
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rogerj1
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I think it's impressive that this project's being started in such a negative environment. They must have deep pockets. I noticed a disclaimer on their
website that talked about this being an offer to sell fractionals. Unlike a timeshare, fractionals are a purchase of 1/12 or 1/4 of a unit. So there
will be investments that can be made at much lower amounts than buying lots and building big houses on them.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
David,
Do you have that book marked on Google Earth or Wikimapia?
Ken |
Hi Ken...
Here is the link showing the approximate property of Diamante del Mar... You can zoom way in from this elevation image. The photography is over 5
years old it would seem, since the jet airport is not yet built on the mesa... So, none of the roads of buildings put in by DDM are there either.
Diamante del Mar (El Rosario)
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Cajones
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rogerj1
I think it's impressive that this project's being started in such a negative environment. They must have deep pockets. I noticed a disclaimer on their
website that talked about this being an offer to sell fractionals. Unlike a timeshare, fractionals are a purchase of 1/12 or 1/4 of a unit. So there
will be investments that can be made at much lower amounts than buying lots and building big houses on them. |
I'm not sure I understand the difference. In Mexico, one does not need a fideicomiso to own a timeshare, as Mexican law does not consider it a real
estate interest. It is considered a long-term contract to rent a property -- or something like that. If you come out and say you are purchasing a
fixed percentage of a property, then I suppose you would have to have a fideicomiso and all the attendant bruhaha. Then I suppose you might need a
FM3. More rigamarole.
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a few more details
Monday, October 13, 2008
Mexico Real Estate
Tiger Woods Golf Course to be Built in Baja California
By Brian Flock
· Woods’ Punta Brava course poised for private golf and ocean club community
On October 7, 2008 at the Bel-Air Hotel in Beverly Hills, Tiger Woods announced his third golf course design project worldwide, and his first ocean
front course ever – "Punta Brava," in Baja California, Mexico.
According to the announcement, Punta Brava is uniquely positioned in the region to bring together “a powerful combination of land, sea and sky with a
leading team of designers, businessmen and athletes to create a private golf and ocean club community that rivals any in the world.”
Not far south of Ensenada and set on a secluded peninsula stretching seven miles into the Pacific Ocean, Punta Brava is surrounded on three sides by
rugged coastline and on the fourth by a 1,200-foot mountain peak, creating a virtual island experience that has been millions of years in the making.
As announced, Punta Brava is expected to make an important imprint on the face of Baja California for generations to come.
A visit to the nearly 350-acre site in July 2006 was all it took to convince The Flagship Group’s co-founder Brian Tucker that it was the right place
for Punta Brava before approaching Tiger with the concept. The project’s current land holdings include four miles of coastline; designs for 17 holes
with tees or greens on the oceanfront; ocean views from every single tee, green and fairway; and eight shots over water, something unseen elsewhere in
the world. Tiger Woods has placed the final three holes along the ocean, creating a dramatic finish to the course.
The location’s prime real estate has been reserved for the golf course; no houses are located between the course and the ocean. Low-density housing
further ensures preservation of the unique ecology and topography, and offers exclusivity for the residents. Natural features of the location include
dozens of coves, arch rock formations, islands, and over 1,200 linear feet of sea caves extending several miles underground.
Tiger Woods’ oversight of Punta Brava will be broken down into three phases, lasting until after the completion of course: 1) concept development and
planning; 2) concept refinement and construction design; and 3) design oversight during construction. In contrast to more simple branding models, this
requires Tiger Woods to maintain a constant connection with the project.
Details such as fairway shaping, green contours and bunker detailing are managed, and follow-up inspections ensure the quality of the course
maturation. (Tiger is so hands-on with his projects that he spent the entire day onsite with an injured knee, in June, a week after winning the 2008
US Open in a tie-breaker round.)
Punta Brava will offer a range of exclusive ownership opportunities, including:
· 40 estate sites ranging in size from .75 acres to 3 acres, priced between $3 million and $12 million;
· 30 individual-own villa residences (4,500 to 7,000 square feet), priced from $3.5 to $6.5 million;
· 60 partnership villas (4,500 to 6,500 square feet), with prices starting at $1.7 million;
· A private hotel with 20 villas, each with its own pool, available only to members and their guests;
· A clubhouse, an ocean club, a wellness spa, and multiple dining venues.
This offering is much differentiated from the standard Baja California real estate fare targeted towards Middle America, and it is indicative of the
very exclusive and private nature of the development.
Residential and commercial services are already addressed in The Flagship Group’s development plan. An operational desalinization plant has been
constructed, with others to be built on existing well sites. Telecommunications systems will be managed onsite, including satellite feeds. The project
will also have sustainable sources of power.
Capital for the project is provided by The Flagship Group cofounder Red McCombs, who is currently listed in the Forbes 400 of wealthiest Americans.
About 200 local jobs will be created during construction, and another 150 will be employed by Punta Brava in the long term.
Members and guests will utilize the project’s McDonnell Douglas MD-900 twin-engine helicopter for shuttling residents from San Diego or the Ensenada
military airport, making road transportation largely inconsequential to the project. (Blogs by local Baja California residents have noted sightings of
this mysterious, black airship over the skies for the past several months.)
Additionally, the project will offer short-term anchoring in Todos Santos Bay for yachts and high-speed tenders in an onsite marina. These tenders
will shuttle residents to and from their yachts or the Ensenada harbors eight miles across Todos Santos Bay. Although Punta Brava is accessible by
air, land, and sea, most members are expected to arrive in private jets, helicopters or yachts.
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Moika
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Hello Everybody:
As you know, the real name of the site for the proposed development is "Punta Banda" and not "Punta Brava". The promoters of the project are avoiding
mentioning the real name for obvious reasons.
Also, I wanted to let you know that this project has created a lot of social stir here in Ensenada, because the project plans to remove more than 90%
of the vegetation destroying a pristine ecosystem of coastal sage scrub and more than 25 archaeological sites in that area. Of course, since the
project is very exclusive, the rest of the people from Ensenada won’t have access to that cultural landscape anymore, it will be alienated.
My perception of these people is that in fact they do not care about the cultural and natural heritage issues, but that they looked to approach to us
(a group of citizens interested in the conservation of the site) in order to obtain sensible data or first hand information that could help them to
improve the presentation of their project and this way manage to successfully surpass “paperwork” without changing the essence of their project. This
way, they would also manage to legitimize or certify it facing the perception of the Mexican authorities and public opinion. Because of all these
reasons, we decided not to establish any kind of negotiation with the promoters and we have made a series of decisions that could result in integral
conservation of the area, by recognizing its character of Cultural Landscape because of its irreplaceable natural and cultural attributes. Finally,
the area is located on top of a major active geological fault (Agua Blanca fault).
I see a lot of money, interests and corruption in this matter. Do you understand the concept of Cultural Landscape? Heritage? Public Interest? It´s
like building a golf course in Stone Henge, Yosemite, Big Sur or Point Reyes...
Saludos from Ensenada.
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Moika
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One more thing: their desalinization plant has been operating for almost two years and environmental impacts are already visible: mussel population in
part of that coastal line has decreased and PH has dramatically changed...
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Dave
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Stone Henge?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Moika
Do you understand the concept of Cultural Landscape? Heritage? Public Interest? It´s like building a golf course in Stone Henge, Yosemite,
Big Sur or Point Reyes...
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Punta Banda is dominated by yucca plants and scrub. A golf course would be an improvement. ANYTHING would be an improvement. 
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thebajarunner
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Yeah Dave, that one is a real head scratcher
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Moika
Do you understand the concept of Cultural Landscape? Heritage? Public Interest? It´s like building a golf course in Stone Henge, Yosemite,
Big Sur or Point Reyes...
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Punta Banda is dominated by yucca plants and scrub. A golf course would be an improvement. ANYTHING would be an improvement. |
Having developed real estate in the Central Valley for some 30 years I have pretty much seen it all,
but to have concerns over the "native vegetation" in that area is a real stretch, IMO.
Also, as a developer who pretty much started from scratch, I sure don't have the bucks to toss down the sink hole that this project looks to be.
And, sad to say, last time I looked there was a golf course at Wawona in Yosemite, been a few years since I was there, well, maybe a lot of years.
Hey, if they can build a dam in Hetch Hetchy and not blink they can bulldoze the entire Punta Banda peninsula into the sea and it won't matter.
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fishbuck
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I saw the black helicopter flying around when I was at Estero Beach a few months ago. I though it was the governor or something.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by thebajarunner
.......Punta Banda is dominated by yucca plants and scrub. A golf course would be an improvement. ANYTHING would be an improvement. |
.......but to have concerns over the "native vegetation" in that area is a real stretch, IMO.
....... they can bulldoze the entire Punta Banda peninsula into the sea and it won't matter. |
Well, I have some concerns over those above statements............
I live down the road from the proposed development and I personally like the "native vegitation" and I don't necessarily think that the golf course
would be an improvement......
There is a perfectally good golf course about 5 miles away that is already developed...........
And I think that some people would have concerns if anybody tried to "bulldoze" the peninsula into the sea............
Thank you (as he steps off of the soapbox)
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Crusoe
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No Dave---You have completly missed Moika's point. And furthermore the main point in LIFE! And that point is to "Respect Mother Nature in all of her
forms" period. You need to spend some time outdoors and go get re-educated. For your info.... yuca plants and scrub and other natural understory
plants ceate enviornments to sustain bird life and all kinds of different species of bugs, snakes and scorpians and natural grasses that feed deer,
mt. lion and the list goes on. ++C++
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| Quote: | Originally posted by thebajarunner
...they can bulldoze the entire Punta Banda peninsula into the sea and it won't matter. |
It would matter to me. 
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| Quote: | Having developed real estate in the Central Valley for some 30 years
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Now there's a place worthy of being bulldozed under.
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thebajarunner
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We do our best..
| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
Having developed real estate in the Central Valley for some 30 years
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Now there's a place worthy of being bulldozed under. |
But sometimes they hide the bulldozer
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