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Cypress
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docsmom, Kids can be our biggest heartbreak or our greatest joy. Glad your daughter made it home. And yes, there're some bad apples hanging around the
edge of the rainbow crowd.
dtbushpilot, It'll be an experience.
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standingwave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
I did a google earth search and found a marker for the Gathering at
37 25.818'N, 122 05.36'W
Punta Coyote, San Juan De La Costa, Baja California Sur, Mexico
It is clear that there are positive aspects to efforts to rethink our role on earth, sustainability, ecology and community for peace and there are
efforts which discredit the movement.
Its interesting to consider theology and the range of spirituality, belief systems and to understand that there are always many who use spirituality
for oppression and evil. Also there are efforts to miscommunicate, misdirect and co-opt good causes to divide our power.
Let anyone who chooses to, imagine that their actions can demonstrate peace, that a mind set and awareness is all that is required to create a world
which is sustainable and provides food for everyone, that we can respect each other and our differences and coexist.
While we celebrate these concepts lets also discuss the requirements for ethics and responsibility in the process. |
plug 37 25.818'N, 122 05.36'W into Google Earth and you end up in a golf course in East Palo Alto.
try 24°33'43.61"N, 110°45'11.43"W
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gnukid
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Good to hear the diversity of ideas. Is the topic "Do we see ourselves as having common interests in our community and do we believe in critical
thinking as a path to overcome destructive behavior?"
I agree with the cautionary tales and also with the optimistic ones but those both reinforce the need for individual and communal critical discourse.
Maintaining your empirical thinking is the tool that protects you from divisive fear and foments constructive action.
I posted the directions for those who want to stay away and for those who wish to attend, seriously.
I also grow tired of passivity in the face of disaster, such as the crisis of looming food shortage and oppressive militaristic rule based in fear of
terror.
Consider that as a starting position, regardless of age, BajaNomads are unique, independent, adventurous and resourceful. As a group we are
characteristically motivated to protect our resources and not overuse, to share when possible and encourage thoughtful planning. So we are capable of
teaching, learning, and discouraging wasteful destructive action regardless of the perpetrators-hippies or military globalists.
Lets us keep in mind that the history of these communal peace actions have been targeted, co-opted to pacify, distract and distort by CIA operatives,
such as the documented case of Jim Jones in Guyana whose operation has been identified as MK Ultra mind control experiments funded on various
occasions by the CIA.
PBS
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3625536419231928674
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIo6EUydzqc
In that same vein, drugs may be a tool of the psyops to pacifiy and reprogram would-be activists into tools.
Discovery Channel Franklin Investigation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3395321338401208062
and Black ops in hippy movements
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2444293686461089876
So you can see there is a war on for your mind, for your critical thinking ability. The enemy is among us and may be dressed as a hippy, conservative
or otherwise.
While we pursue solutions to these important issues, such as a feeding the world, encouraging diversity, opportunity, resourcefulness and discover
ways to reduce our impact we must use our faculties to be aware, critical, involved and action minded-not passive and not divisive, whoever you are.
Be aware that there are both friends and false friends, positive and false movements.
There is an easy solution, maintain your wits and be involved as both an individual and community member. Bring on a less destructive world that you
create.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by standingwave
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
I did a google earth search and found a marker for the Gathering at
37 25.818'N, 122 05.36'W
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plug 37 25.818'N, 122 05.36'W into Google Earth and you end up in a golf course in East Palo Alto.
try 24°33'43.61"N, 110°45'11.43"W |
Yes it seems you are correct, try 24°33'43.61"N, 110°45'11.43"W who knows why my previous reading was incorrect? Thats what iwas reported in Google
Earth. In any case use Google earth at home to see what you find, you can see it is basically in line or north of the northern end of Cerralvo island.
It is about 60 miles from downtown La Paz but it could take a long time depending on your driving style.
Punta Coyote, San Juan de La Costa, Baja California Sur, Mexico
[Edited on 10-13-2008 by gnukid]
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Critical discourse
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
I agree with the cautionary tales and also with the optimistic ones but those both reinforce the need for individual and communal critical discourse.
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From looking at the picture of a past rainbow event I get the sense of massive critical discourse.
Heavy. 
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
I agree with the cautionary tales and also with the optimistic ones but those both reinforce the need for individual and communal critical discourse.
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From looking at the picture of a past rainbow event I get the sense of massive critical discourse.
Heavy. |
There are many movements, there is also the collective movement.
We are peaceful like-minded individuals who believe we can do better to oppose militaristic global imperialism, who oppose genetically modified
organisms that reduce genetic diversity, and we believe that sharing even the most simplistic organic home farming and waste reduction techniques are
valuable.
I do not know that you can learn anything at a Rainbow Gathering. I do not know that you will find anything of value, but you can give something of
value, you can teach others simple techniques that Nomads know.
If you oppose hippy passivity and false idealism, this is a good chance to meet it head on and educate people about your thoughts, actions and
examples. If you are concerned about cults go there and find out if there is anything like that there and confront them. Document. Go for it.
I am not a promoter of 'Rainbo Gaddering' I doubt anyone is a promoter.
Prior to the last trip there, while on my Angel Adventure where I picked up trash for a month (fun), I was confronted by Mexicans who said if I
believe the things I say why am not planning to be at the Gaddering to educate. So I went with a bunch of hot babe marine biologists. I was surprised
and not in a good way, few people had any plan for food or travel, few considered the risk at hand of being so far away with no food or water, I was
eaten out of my camp in about a day, there were no structured classes that I found, but I got involved and we made the best of it. We began and we
took turns sharing ideas, we tried to open discussion in the main camps without much success and we enjoyed ourselves and returned home-mission
accomplished.
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toneart
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"I do not know that you can learn anything at a Rainbow Gathering. I do not know that you will find anything of value, but you can give something of
value, you can teach others simple techniques that Nomads know." --Gnukid
" We began and we took turns sharing ideas, we tried to open discussion in the main camps without much success and we enjoyed ourselves and returned
home-mission accomplished. "--Gnukid
These are great reasons for attending or not attending. What a wonderful outlook. Gnukid obviously has his head screwed on clockwise. (Just so there
is no misunderstanding, that's a good thing!)
Gnukid. You (and I) are guilty of misspelling the word hippie. Nena kindly pointed it out.
Docsmom. Someday it would be great to meet you, your son and your daughter. Thank you for your contributions here.
So many thoughtful expositions into our diverse Nomad souls have appeared on this string. As I said before: all are valid except for the very few
accusatory and unqualified judgments. If you can bring an opposing view and present it in the spirit of objective dialog, there is room for that
without flaming. Otherwise they stand as inarticulate emotional outbursts, and carry no credibility and warrant no respect.
Time has changed our culture. It always does. Wisdom comes from living life with your eyes open and maintaining a clear mind. That is not always easy.
Life's circumstances can distract us from our intended path; the old cuckold, loss of love, death of a loved one and grief, loss of job, poverty,
drug addiction, alcoholism, peer pressure, accidents, sickness, no health insurance, and so forth. Most of us make it through and some do not. Most of
us evolve to a higher plane. Some do not. You do have to work at it and keep your goals in mind, even through adversity. Some become embittered as
they age and do not evolve. That is sad and the manifestations of that is off putting and toxic, for oneself and for those within range.
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Cypress
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toneart, You ever been to a Rainbow Gathering?
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
toneart, You ever been to a Rainbow Gathering? |
No, I haven't. That is why I can't offer any judgment.
I was in San Francisco, in the Haight Ashbury, during the '60s. I had a successful business with my then wife and we owned a small Victorian house on
Lyon St., one house from Haight. I also played music there. We were responsible, recreational participants and had a great time. That was a long time
ago in a very different social climate.
Times have changed and I am fully aware that there are still good times to be had and also dangers lurking. I really don't know what I would encounter
if I were to attend, but I am not. I am open to having a good time, but I won't be down until the end of the year. If I were in Baja at that time I
might pop in for a day out of curiosity. At the end of the day I would probably retreat to a hotel room in La Paz.
My idea of fun (for myself) is a little more refined at this point in my life. I would also have my own special pillow. I have been known to carry my
pillow through airports, looking very dorky.
I doubt that The Rainbow Gathering is a cult. Don't really know. I also don't think that a cult leader would be there ready to grab a kid. But that
could happen anywhere. It is possible.
I think it is just a big party with drugs, booze and body paint. Hopefully no harm is done. I think the biggest danger there would be getting swept up
in a police raid in a foreign country with no rights or representation.
I hope that Nomads who do attend can give us a report. 
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Cypress
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toneart, You're right about the drugs, booze, etc. The police?  They're
outnumbered about 300 to 1. And what're they gonna do, give drug tests 300/ hr. Shoot into the crowd? For the most part, the Rainbow folks are OK
people.
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Sharksbaja
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Not to worry............
old hippies don't do crank.
I wonder why this subject is so deserving of such an in-depth study? Sounds to me like a desperate attempt at going back in the past in order to fix
our future.
So a little nostalgia, some soft drugs, some yak yak. I really don't see or get the feeling of anything very scary here nor have I seen a noticeable
change attributed to this event. Afterall, these are global attractions.
Don't misread me, I like to see evidence of an underground mindset geared to protecting and managing Mother Earth. Unfortunately, as wise, profound
and committed these people may be, much of their goodwill and energy stays right there and probably does not go home with them.
Conversely, if their message and mission does strike a environmental chord or yank at someones conscience then I would see benefit for all. Getting
the benefits of so many well-intentioned folks could surely bear well if put to everyday useage.
I think that would be of enormous consequence. Will this event impart that message enough to actually change a persons lifrestyle or daily behavior?
That's the million dollar question. Otherwise it becomes moot and just another gig.
They may coalesce for brief periods but it seems silly and ludicrous to think an event like this would or could convert or even appeal to most young
people. I think they look and laugh for the most part.
Once the party ends, they will all go back to reality. Hopefully with a better understanding of how to lessen the stress of humans on this planet..
[Edited on 10-13-2008 by Sharksbaja]
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
old hippies don't do crank.
... Will this event impart that message enough to actually change a persons lifrestyle or daily behavior? That's the million dollar question.
Otherwise it becomes moot and just another gig.
They may coalesce for brief periods but it seems silly and ludicrous to think an event like this would or could convert or even appeal to most young
people. I think they look and laugh for the most part.
Once the party ends, they will all go back to reality. Hopefully with a better understanding of how to lessen the stress of humans on this planet..
[Edited on 10-13-2008 by Sharksbaja] |
When you choose how to spend your day (or your life) you choose daily gigs to fill your time. Whatever path we choose these daily "gigs" and daily
conversations are who we are. So, to suggest that dialogue on a given day has little appeal to youth or seniors, of little lasting consequence, or is
irrelevant is to dismiss the fabric of our communities. We are a continuous ever-appealing dialogue.
Now, having begun this dialogue about Rainvo Gadderin, we are in action raising conscience through the event whether you attend on site or not. This
communication reverberates to far reaches and across ages.
Now lets consider the value of martial law on US citizens, an election suspended, voting machines that incorrectly report results? Do you believe
these are inconsequential ideas as well and therefore a silly "gig" we should ignore, while we stay home is dialogue in our collective community of
value?
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I guess my point is that I'd like see more tangible and utilized ideas and practices that the core of these people promote.
Looking at this from the perspective of a teenager though, it would certainly would seem grandiose in it's own right. Myself jaded perhaps, but never
too old to learn.
While I'm sure most the folks there are there for purely good reasons I reckon there is an element with other agendas. ie; ecobadactivist et al. I
have no problems at all with the event per se.
It also doesn't mean that I don't think some good stuff goes on there though either. I'm all for many of the things they support. But yeah, I think
they could have better "appeal". They need a good agent!
Again, my point really was that all this energy with all these events over so many decades hasn't garnered more public attention partcularly in the
U.S. . At least a full page awarness ad in the Times! I guess Cap Mike summed it
up, who the hell is Rainvo Gaderin?"
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wow! drugs and nudity! I just liked the drums, music and pretty colors
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Has anyone checked the gathering out???? We are really thinking of being adventurous and driving that way next week. ( going camping at aqua
verde:bounce
Remember, when in Mexico, yes may be no and no may be
maybe!
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I heard the following would be playing.
STRAWBERRY ALARM CLOCK
MOBY GRAPE
COUNTRY JOE AND THE FISH
FAIRPORT CONVENTION
TRAFFIC
ITS A BEAUTIFUL DAY
PETER FRAMPTON
If you know these names then you were a true 60s person, everyone knows the STONES, DYLAN, etc.etc. this is just a communal event of people who think
they are HIPPIES to be a true HIPPIE you had to live.
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Rainbow Warriors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utBkbJIYMy8
CaboRon
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