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BajaGringo
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gnukid
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Everyone involved says no crime was committed only the allegations of the insuation or suggestion that something inappropriate occur-which did not.
This is very vague and by no means a case for heavy prosecution.
Furthermore it is unlikely that the fellow would pull a knife on a young person. It makes no sense, also no evidence or porno, pedophilia, no knife,
nothing to support criminal activity.
Let's all agree that no crime occurred by the son or his father aged 80.
However it does appear to be a case of extortion, police wrongdoing and unfair prosecution on the part of the mexican authorities of Albondigales.
Sad news for everyone considering nothing actually happened.
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Bajahowodd
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And then, there's the mother's contention that the guy showed up on two separate days.....after being turned down the first time.(jonesin', I'm
guessing.)
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BajaGringo
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I really am not convinced that no crime was committed. Soliciting a minor to pose for nude photos is wrong. I really don't buy the perps allegations
that he was offering her 25 dollars just to take an innocent photo. And that is what he admitted to. Who knows what really happened - it really sounds
fishy. Maybe they are both pedophiles and the younger one was just setting it up for the old man. The only ones who truly know what happened are those
involved and for any of us to say with certainty that they are guilty OR innocent is pure speculation...
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Sharksbaja
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How odd, no not really.
"The Chrismans first visited on Jan. 5 while her daughter was tending the shop with two other women"
So the first time BOTH were in the store?
(jejeje we have witnesses!)
I see collusion!
[Edited on 2-1-2009 by Sharksbaja]
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Bajahowodd
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Point is, and I agree with BG, there is much more to this than meets the eye. This isn't Turkey in the era of Midnight Express. Algodones, by its very
nature must be tourist-friendly for its very survival.
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Pato
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by DENNISThese "Mothers" can be as predatory as bad cops. The drill is well known. It happened to a good friend of mine.
It's all about money. |
"Tourist friendly" my a*s ! One could say the same about TJ, Ensenada, etc. Kidnapping, extortion, colluding authorities, etc. happens a lot if not
all the time south of the border. It's a way of life for many.
Like DENNIS, my wife and I know both gay and straight men who were targeted while partying in TJ's and Ensenada's "zones of tolerance". They were set
up by police and the "underage" participants. Mexico is not unastute to the pedophile hysteria which often dominates the media.
The only crime for many targeted guys here is their naivity of coniving extortionists, esp. when inhibriated.
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BajaGringo
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Sorry, but I have heard quite the opposite about Los Algodones. To compare it to Tijuana is really quite a stretch...
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Woooosh
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Didn't the story say they went down for dental work? Pedophiles with mouths stuffed full of cotton? I don't know. If it were my relative and he was
that sick and elderly I guess I wouldn't have taken him to mexico inthe first place. If I didn't have money to be treated in the USA, I certainlly
woudn't be paying $25 for photos either. Innocent or guilty- like most other nomads- I would have paid the $2000 to get the old man home safe at
least. The guy taking the photo should have asked first in any case- many arts/crafts stores don't like people taking photos of their objects. JMHO-
no centavos.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Bajahowodd
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Cottontown v. TJ! No possible comparison. I'm becoming just a bit disillusioned about this forum, when I continue to see so many posts that are
inherently trashing Mexico.
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ckiefer
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Anyone give any thought to perhaps the journalist who submitted the story could have the information incorrect/incomplete? Could have been that he
offered, agreed, to give the young girl 25 pesos, I could see if I were a male agreeing to donate 25 pesos for a picture if the girl was
unusually striking, just out of courtesy. None of us will really know, unless of course someone wants to interview the guy, come back and report to
us. And then again, he could be guilty as h*ll!
Regardless, I would have coughed up the 2K to get the older gentleman out of the pokey.
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avid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ckiefer
Anyone give any thought to perhaps the journalist who submitted the story could have the information incorrect/incomplete? Could have been that he
offered, agreed, to give the young girl 25 pesos, I could see if I were a male agreeing to donate 25 pesos for a picture if the girl was
unusually striking, just out of courtesy. |
That was my take when I first read the story. It seemed to make the whole thing fit together.
avid
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gnukid
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Not entirely on topic-
Police have been going up an down every street to advise people of security issues and check on everyone and everything. Apparently a short time ago a
directive was given and security or at least the guise of secuirty has been unleashed throughout BCS. Police have stopped us in the road to say hi and
remind people to drive carefully as well as come to our door to remind us to lock up at night and lock the cars. Now, I also have heard of many people
being pulled over for minor things and being extored as well a friend who was robbed of many thousands of dollars and computers by the military who
also have stepped up presence everyone in downtown regions as well as remote regions.
My personal impression is that true enforcement is a difficult thing to train and these new policies may be misinterpreted by cops who previously have
had no contact and now are being requested to get out ad start policing, while all of this is good there will of course be some misplaced energy and
misguided policing while the cops get s used to the new policies.
In addition to increased actions by military and federal police riding in the backs of trucks with guns displayed, some city police have been
rebranded "preventiva" and they are contributing to cruising every street.
I have seen them pick up many of the bad guys but those same people are often home within a few hours even though the paper says they are charged with
multiple forced entry crimes.
All in all the effort seems good though a bit new to most police who will likely be encouraged to find more crimes which don't exist as well as ignore
the repeat local criminals as always.
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ckiefer
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An even better reason to have a dog. Although mine just might lick you to death! Still thinking about adding to our family. German Shepherd or
Pitbull. Trained of course. I think I'm gonna need a bigger house.....
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BajaGringo
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I tell everybody that they should have a large dog. They are a great deterrent. We are looking for a doberman puppy right now to add to the
"arsenal"...
If I ever learn how to type I will have to make a lot fewer edits...
[Edited on 2-2-2009 by BajaGringo]
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Bajafun777
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It seems no matter what we may think here or guess what happened the fact remains they are both in jail with a system that takes forever to even look
at the facts which might be too long for the elderly man. Hell, I seen good citizens everyone looks up to being the scum of the earth going after
young children and the truth comes out during their trials. Don't ever second guess what people will or will not do, had a case on a lowlife that was
78 sitting in a childs park with a newspaper he had a hole for him to watch and another hole for his little puppy to be exposed for the children to
see. Now, I must admit this old lowlife had priors but do not let the age of the dude fool you. I have also seen grandfathers that had molested
their own children and then their children's children, so I have no thought other than I would not be taking pictures of little kids or giving them
money for pictures. Now, I would pay money for cold ones being brought to me in a restruant but I don't hire the help just drink what I order. Moral
to the story is keep your cute pictures of little kids of your own relatives kids and never bother someone that tells you know the first time as the
second time could get you in a Mexicali Prison!!! If they are innocent too bad but unfortunately it is what it is in Mexico with their current legal
system. People need to be thinking at all times and avoid even the hint of something that might be twisted to be bad. I do not want to hear stories
of people saying that sometimes it is real hard to know if a girl is underage, if you have to guess then for sure they are too damn young period!!!!
Keep your behavior in Mexico as you would here in the States, now how many men here would try taking pictures of other peoples kids in a store or
offer money to them???? It is what it is and It is probably not good. Now, whether the elderly man knew what the other one was up to is anybody's
guess. Later------------------------------- bajafun777
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BajaGringo
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The 25 dollar amount came from the perps own statement, not the young girls account.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ckiefer
An even better reason to have a dog. Although mine just might lick you to death! Still thinking about adding to our family. German Shepherd or
Pitbull. Trained of course. I think I'm gonna need a bigger house..... |
All dogs will bark. There are some loud and mean chihuahuas out there, and some mean little mexican dogs too.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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BajaGringo
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I love dogs, have an uncanny ability to get even "vicious" dogs to like me and don't get intimidated easily by dogs. That having been said, my
daughter's doberman still scares the crap out of me when I walk up to her front door and he barks at me suddenly through the window blinds. He really
is a lovable dog but he makes as good a "first impression" as any dog I have seen...
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Bajahowodd
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I like cats. Think that will help?
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