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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Frantic1
Amazingly enough, pharmaceutical drugs, legally prescribed, are now among the most highly abused drugs in the US.
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"Ain't that a kick in the head?"
So we should legalize more drugs? 
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Now that was too funny!! 
And who's pushing the pharmaceuticals? Big drug companies with their ads, and doctors who, yes, get kick backs. You know it's true! The difference
is, pot for example is as good for you as apple pie (read with a southern accent). Grown from mother earth herself! Just a couple hits and you won't
be reachin for that xanax! Now don't bogart that doobie, and pass it around! 
Sorry, I just couldn't resist!
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"A little background in the government involvement in supplying hard drugs to America may be in order...."
Very interesting and informative post. I recall the plane crash reported by the San Jose Mercury News that contained drugs smuggled as part of the
Iran/Contra drugs/guns deal. Seems to be clear parallels in this world of mirrors between Mexico and the USofA. This could be a major impediment to
removing prohibition along with propaganda going back to the 1930s that have demonized marijuana and it's users.
Thanks for the post.
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First off, I don't know where bajalou got the 20% figure. But assuming that is all who use illicit drugs, have any idea how many people are taking
legal prescription drugs for so-called mood issues? Tens of millions. And often prescribed by doctors who make their own clinical decisions based more
on big pharma pressure than on patient presentation.
So maybe anyone here taking Lexapro, Efffexor, Cymbalta, Zoloft, Paxil, Prozac, Wellbutrin or Lithium should excuse themselves from the debate about
marijuana. Does anyone really think that any of those prescription drugs is safer than pot?
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That's just not fair!!
Dave , you seem to lump all drugs together. Can't we define them more clearly. From the standpoint of physical harm where would you place pot?
Safer than liquor and cigarettes? Safer than extasy and meth? Safer than all those prescribed mental drugs? Or not? Can that be an argument for
legalization? I mean, what criteria do you use to say that pot users should be treated the same as meth users? Because they are both illegal?
I wonder how many people that use prescribed mood altering drugs actually have a medical condition. Life is full of stress for many. Should they not
be allowed a toke but allowed to drink themselves to death or take handfuls of pills?
I say each to their own. If you can't handle it get outta the woods. Have you ever met someone who couldn't manage their pot? If you have please tell
me what happened.
One thing I have not seen are people dying from the ingestion of pot. Can you say that about any other drug, legal or not? I guess that's why they
call it a "soft drug". What else can be called a soft drug anyhoo??
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Let's not forget these popular two: Xanax and Elavil
And has anyone really looked at the side effects of some of these "legal" drugs?
Xanax
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue,
or throat. Call your doctor at once if you have any of these serious side effects:
unusual risk-taking behavior, decreased inhibitions, no fear of danger;
depressed mood, thoughts of suicide or hurting yourself;
hyperactivity, agitation, hostility, hallucinations;
feeling light-headed, fainting;
seizure (convulsions);
urinating less than usual or not at all;
muscle twitching, tremor; or
jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes).
Less serious Xanax side effects may include:
drowsiness, dizziness, feeling irritable;
amnesia or forgetfulness, trouble concentrating;
sleep problems (insomnia);
muscle weakness, lack of balance or coordination, slurred speech;
blurred vision;
nausea, vomiting, constipation, appetite or weight changes;
dry or watery mouth, increased sweating; or
loss of interest in sex.
Side effects other than those listed here may also occur. Talk to your doctor about any side effect that seems unusual or that is especially
bothersome. Side effects cannot be anticipated. If any develop or change in intensity, inform your doctor as soon as possible. Only your doctor can
determine if it is safe for you to continue.
Elavil:
Older adults are especially liable to certain side effects of Elavil, including rapid heartbeat, constipation, dry mouth, blurred vision, sedation,
and confusion, and are in greater danger of sustaining a fall.
Side effects may include:
Blurred vision, bone marrow depression, bowel problems, breast enlargement (in males and females), constipation, dry mouth, hair loss, heart attack,
high body temperature, problems urinating, rash, seizure, stroke, swelling of the testicles, water retention
Side effects due to a rapid decrease in dose or abrupt withdrawal from Elavil include:
Headache, nausea, vague feeling of bodily discomfort
Side effects due to gradual dosage reduction may include:
Dream and sleep disturbances, irritability, restlessness
These side effects do not signify an addiction to the drug.
Pot
sudden uncontrollable laughter, a relaxed happy feeling, urge to raid your refrigerator, you start to salivate as you reach for those chocolate chip
cookies, movies, people, pets are more interesting, other things I won't mention are more pleasurable than you remembered, you wake with no
hangover, feeling alive, refreshed and ready for the day. 
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It should have never been made illegal in the first place, IMHO.
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Confucius say, "you stand on toilet, you high on pot!"
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Pot makes you stoopid
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
From the standpoint of physical harm where would you place pot?
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Why would I care about that? I care for my welfare.
I know how flocked up you can get. I know that legalization will lead to more use. I deal with enough idiots as is. Why would I
want more?
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It sounds like you care a whole lot to me. Why else would you continue condemnation. It's not like anyone really cares how we feel about it. It's not
like the majority of board members haven't tried it.
I guess they are all idiots eh.
edit fer stoopid sp.
[Edited on 3-15-2009 by Sharksbaja]
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For the health of those who use illegal drugs?
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It sounds like you care a whole lot to me. |
Only if they get in my way.
Otherwise, not one whit.
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Well, I think you're safe then. I seriously doubt if some pot smoker will affect your daily life.
Probably a lot safer than some drunkin' Spring-Breakers!
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Maybe we should introspectively look at what is going on here. Is our country suffering from a mental health illness epidemic? Or has big pharma, in
cahoots with the health care providers been selling us a bill of goods. Thanks, ckiefer for adding a couple of drugs I missed. Now get this statistic.
The last year for which the data are available, 2007, there were 233 million prescriptions written for the aforementioned anti-depressant drugs, in
the U.S. Something wrong with this picture.
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Hey, those are legal, so knock it off right now!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
I say each to their own. If you can't handle it get outta the woods. Have you ever met someone who couldn't manage their pot? If you have please
tell me what happened.
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My son, when he was 17. He tried to kill me.
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Oldlady. I feel for you. I once had a dear, dear female friend, back in the days of college, who had an atypical reaction to pot, and became very
belligerent, seeking physical combat with anyone near her. That being said, for the overwhelming majority of folks the effects of pot are to
mellow-out. Check the various warnings on any prescription drug label, and it's a wonder that people take them. You know, like flu, headache,nausea,
difficulty breathing, death. Fact is that anything we ingest will have an atypical and sometimes very negative reaction on some (peanuts). And
reiterating something I've stated many times, I don't smoke pot, there are studies that show far more violent reactions in people who imbibe alcohol
than who smoke marijuana.
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Whoa, I hope he doesn't drink.
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Honestly...
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Have you ever met someone who couldn't manage their pot?
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I've met few who could. I know I couldn't maintain worth caca. Couldn't drive, talk..nada. Didn't want to kill anyone but I'll bet there were
some who wanted to kill me.
I would have no problem with anyone getting high in the privacy of their own home. But we know that's not how it goes down. Otherwise, we wouldn't be
having this discussion...Would we?
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Dave, that's where libertarians and liberals come to meet!
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The assertion that legalizing marijuana, or any other drug, would result in higher consumption is not supported in the example of Prohibition.
Alcohol use was at historical lows before Prohibition.
Alcohol use jumped to historical highs during Prohibition and the alcohol use of women and children jumped dramatically.
After Prohibition, alcohol use dropped, though it has never reached the low levels of pre-Prohibition.
The other thing we are stuck with is organized crime, which was able to firmly establish itself in US society as a result of Prohibition.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBruno
The assertion that legalizing marijuana, or any other drug, would result in higher consumption is not supported in the example of Prohibition.
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Because prohibition is a poor example. Users were rarely targeted. Only the supply side. Prohibition was a sham.
Most States severely penalize pot smokers. If penalties are removed usage will increase.
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May not be correct, Dave. However, even if that is the case, users may just be converts from other illicit drugs. Netherlands legalized drugs 22 years
ago. Last time I checked, Royal Dutch Shell was still among the largest oil companies in the world. Ditto for Phillips as a huge electronics company.
Usage did not appreciably increase with legalization.
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