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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bronco
nor were they found the crooks. |
Ah, Mexico. Who else would have a word that translated to, "Crooks." Doncha just love it?
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bajabound2005
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"fell" from a van? curiouser and curiouser.
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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Yamero
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabound2005
"fell" from a van? curiouser and curiouser. |
The part of the sentence in question, "... dos personas descendieron de una vagoneta color gris, ..." should be translated as "two persons got out of
a gray van ..." - they did not fall from it.
Here's the article: http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=8345
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The Gull
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Tourists from San Diego do not have to be Americans. That may explain the lack of reporting.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Cyanide41
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Yamero
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabound2005
"fell" from a van? curiouser and curiouser. |
The part of the sentence in question, "... dos personas descendieron de una vagoneta color gris, ..." should be translated as "two persons got out of
a gray van ..." - they did not fall from it.
Here's the article: http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=8345 |
Maybe they tripped and DID fall from the van. You weren't there man. 
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Woooosh
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Without any facts- and any incentive for Rosarito Beach to release any, we're at a standstill... again. Mexico could let us know what happened to
these people: The 19 year old "meat truck" driver killed on the beach in TJ Playas with the truck and meat never found, the 15 year old boy kidnapped
where the cop was beheaded, and this latest incident alledging an attempted strong-arm robbery.
The street says these crimes are all being done by the local emboldened wannabees- trying to fill the narco void and make a name for themselves.
Established narcos don't steal SUV's- they have hundreds. This crime wave is different and more troubling.
[Edited on 5-11-2009 by Woooosh]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
This crime wave is different and more troubling. |
It's the same gang crap that has plagued certain parts of the States. A combination of poverty and lousy law enforcement. The only thing that keeps
the gangs from taking over totally is the absence of the ACLU and an out-of-date Bill of Rights.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
This crime wave is different and more troubling. |
It's the same gang crap that has plagued certain parts of the States. A combination of poverty and lousy law enforcement. The only thing that keeps
the gangs from taking over totally is the absence of the ACLU and an out-of-date Bill of Rights. |
I would imagine the absence of both inMExico (ACLU and BOR) makes the situation in Mexico much more dangerous.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I would imagine the absence of both inMExico (ACLU and BOR) makes the situation in Mexico much more dangerous. |
Well, I don't know how you figure that. The ACLU and the BOR protects everybody....to a fault in the case of gang bangers. Can you imagine Mexico
without aggressive questioning because the law prohibits it? These techniques have their place in law enforcement. The ACLU and BOR disagree with
that.
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Woooosh
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I look at the current legal system in Mexico as ineffective, corrupt and floundering. The proposed Meican legal reforms for oral arguments in
courtrooms will be a good first step- but it's gonna take a decade before Mexican lawyers and judges get the hang of it at least. In the meantime-
corruption rules- and probably will after the reforms as well.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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bajaguy
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"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"
Mexico needs to revise their gun ownership laws and enact a concealed carry law.....put the guns in the hands of the citizens and give them a way to
fight back.
(I'm going to get the popcorn and Pacifico and see where this goes)
[Edited on 5-11-2009 by bajaguy]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"
Mexico needs to revise their gun ownership laws and enact a concealed carry law.....put the guns in the hands of the citizens and give them a way to
fight back.
(I'm going to get the popcorn and Pacifico and see where this goes)
[Edited on 5-11-2009 by bajaguy] |
I think the reality is Mexicans who want them have guns. I know all my neighbors do. They are careful about bullet size (nothing over a .25) and
seem to know how many years in jail bullet sizes larger than that would bring. They weigh the risk of having a small gun at home against the risk or
not having one at home if you needed it. Mexican are used to working around their system and taking care of themselves IMHO.
[Edited on 5-11-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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BajaGringo
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I have been surprised in my years living here in fact how many do have guns here as Woooosh stated. It is sort of an unspoken reality down here. Many
just don't talk about it because of the laws and you may be surprised to find out how many of your neighbors are packing.
Now if they actually know how to load and use those same guns is another question. I am not convinced yet...
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DENNIS
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Mexicans, those who qualify, can have guns and I think they can be larger than .25 Cal.
At any rate, this no gun stuff goes back to the days when armed revolution was a constant worry of the regime. An oppressive government certainly
doesn't want the oppressed to be armed. More easily subdued when their hands are empty.
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Fred
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Dennis............."more easily subdued when their hands are empty". I like it.
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DENNIS
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Why...Thank you, Fred. So nice of you to say that. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Fred
Dennis............."more easily subdued when their hands are empty". I like it. |
Come to think of it....That's why Mexicans are the most hand-shaking people I've ever been around. They want empty hands on the other side as well.
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Bajahowodd
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I was looking into some numbers. The stats below are a decade old, but there's no reason to expect that there has been a fundamental change since
then. Our friend Mexico, despite the so-called firearms ban manages to come in at third place.
Something that may actually impact the numbers: According to a 2005 study, there were 31,000 gun deaths in the United States. 55% of them were
suicides.
Gun Deaths - United States Tops The List
The United States leads the world's richest nations in gun deaths -- murders, suicides, and accidental deaths due to guns - according to a study
published April 17, 1998 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the International Journal of Epidemiology.
The U.S. was first at 14.24 gun deaths per 100,000 people. Two other countries in the Americas came next. Brazil was second with 12.95, followed by
Mexico with 12.69.
Japan had the lowest rate, at 0.05 gun deaths per 100,000 (1 per 2 million people). The police in Japan actively raid homes of those suspected of
having weapons.
The 36 countries in the study were the richest in the World Bank's 1994 World Development Report, having the highest GNP per capita income.
The United States accounted for 45 percent of the 88,649 gun deaths reported in the study, the first comprehensive international scrutiny of
gun-related deaths.
The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:
U.S.A. 14.24
Brazil 12.95
Mexico 12.69
Estonia 12.26
Argentina 8.93
Northern Ireland 6.63
Finland 6.46
Switzerland 5.31
France 5.15
Canada 4.31
Norway 3.82
Austria 3.70
Portugal 3.20
Israel 2.91
Belgium 2.90
Australia 2.65
Slovenia 2.60
Italy 2.44
New Zealand 2.38
Denmark 2.09
Sweden 1.92
Kuwait 1.84
Greece 1.29
Germany 1.24
Hungary 1.11
Ireland 0.97
Spain 0.78
Netherlands 0.70
Scotland 0.54
England and Wales 0.41
Taiwan 0.37
Singapore 0.21
Mauritius 0.19
Hong Kong 0.14
South Korea 0.12
Japan 0.05
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