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monoloco
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Skeet, there is a new generation of low profile quiet wind generators for residential use. Check out the ones made by Helix.
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David K
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When every high tide flows into Pompano's home, then I will agree sea levels have risen.
Also, when sea levels have risen:
When Shell Island is an island all the time, when the sand no longer touches Requeson or San Luis Gonzaga islands at low tide, when the salt flats at
Guerrero Negro, Scammon's and San Ignacio lagoons are covered with water...
Islands and some other land masses are sinking and the sea levels are the same... but, would 'seem to be' rising.
Now it is true Baja California and Alta California (west of the San Andreas fault) is sliding north at an inch or so a year... I have not seen
anything that says Baja is also RISING... which it would have to be, if sea levels were rising and not see water in Pompano's house every day.
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wilderone
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If Californians would learn to cut down on their electrical consumption, there wouldn't be such a need to develop alternative energy plants such as
wind turbine in Baja CA, to sell electricty to southern Californians. I'm all for cleaner, efficient energy sources, but we can't expect to continue
to be the consumers that put us in this bind in the first place.
I drive by huge car lots along Int. 5 at midnight and it's lit up like daylight. Wouldn't a couple dobermans and a Pinkerton guy keep those cars safe
overnight? There oughta be a law. What percentage of flourescent bulbs are used in your household? I'll answer: 24 incandescent, 26 flourescent. 10
of the incandescent are dimmable (2 chandeliers) and they're dimmed way down or off most of the time. I'm in favor of "better", but not to service
"more". Users have to contribute to the solution on a personal basis.
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MrBillM
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Percentages
MY Percentage of Incandescents is NINEY+ and GUARANTEED to remain so throughout my lifetime thanks to my overflowing stockpile of
same. Just last month, I had to box some up and put them in the garage to clear closet space.
Color me OTHER than Green.
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bajafam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
If Californians would learn to cut down on their electrical consumption, there wouldn't be such a need to develop alternative energy plants such as
wind turbine in Baja CA, to sell electricty to southern Californians. I'm all for cleaner, efficient energy sources, but we can't expect to continue
to be the consumers that put us in this bind in the first place.
I drive by huge car lots along Int. 5 at midnight and it's lit up like daylight. Wouldn't a couple dobermans and a Pinkerton guy keep those cars safe
overnight? There oughta be a law. What percentage of flourescent bulbs are used in your household? I'll answer: 24 incandescent, 26
flourescent. 10 of the incandescent are dimmable (2 chandeliers) and they're dimmed way down or off most of the time. I'm in favor of "better", but
not to service "more". Users have to contribute to the solution on a personal basis. |
Our household is 100% CFL. Every appliance (except the refrigerator) is on a surge protected outlet strip that is turned off or unplugged when not in
use, if it's not on the strip it is unplugged. We have no phantom loads sucking up energy. We can't, because we are completely off grid and wasteful
use of energy is not an option. Newer CFL technology allows for dimmable usage. If everyone started on a personal level it would help, but the fact
remains that there is a greater demand to service a greater amount of people so we need to implement a solution that is both accessible, sustainable,
and renewable - wind, solar, hydro and geothermal.
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Dave
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Giant sucking sound
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
the Mexican state has enough wind to supply millions of homes in
California with clean electricity. |
And what of Mexico's homes?
CFE is inefficient and corrupt. For years, Mexico has specialized in exporting its talent and natural resources. As a result the country is now a
natural vacuum.
Guess that's what attracts the wind. 
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MrBillM
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Color Me ?
Actually, I AM Green.
BUT, the GREEN I'm interested in is MY Money. I'm not out to save the world for anybody else. It'll last longer than I will. After that, it's up to
someone else.
BTW, hating to sound like a Broken Record, BUT Loco's disclaimer aside, the GayGoat pointed to Sempra's DEED as PROOF of something about to HAPPEN. I
simply pointed out that, SO FAR, it's just PR BS and a look back at the HUGE PR surrounding Boone's Bogus Bonanza (including TV commercials) would
tend to support cynicism.
Time will Tell.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
When every high tide flows into Pompano's home, then I will agree sea levels have risen.
Also, when sea levels have risen:
When Shell Island is an island all the time, when the sand no longer touches Requeson or San Luis Gonzaga islands at low tide, when the salt flats at
Guerrero Negro, Scammon's and San Ignacio lagoons are covered with water...
Islands and some other land masses are sinking and the sea levels are the same... but, would 'seem to be' rising.
Now it is true Baja California and Alta California (west of the San Andreas fault) is sliding north at an inch or so a year... I have not seen
anything that says Baja is also RISING... which it would have to be, if sea levels were rising and not see water in Pompano's house every day. |
DK: your fight against the inconvenient truth of science reminds me of catholic church persecution of Galileo, albeit a bit more mild. In the long
run, the catholic church finally came around to see the light so to speak.
[Edited on 11-23-2009 by mtgoat666]
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chernefitter
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This may not be my place but I take exception to the comments made by the "newbie" slanting David K. I am also new to this forom, hence I believe in
listening more and keeping my personal comments to myself.
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Dave
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Skeptics take note!
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Islands and some other land masses are sinking and the sea levels are the same... but, would 'seem to be' rising.
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How can you argue with logic like that?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Islands and some other land masses are sinking and the sea levels are the same... but, would 'seem to be' rising.
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How can you argue with logic like that? |
Well, actually you can't (or shouldn't) because it is TRUE.
Barry
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MrBillM
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That SINKING Feeling
I always try to look on the BRIGHT Side.
Whether a result of Global warming or not, Land masses so near sea-level that near-term sinking would devour them, are mostly those of very low
economic resource and viability. Bangladesh comes to mind, but others are also over-stressed and under-productive. Their LOSS would actually be a
net gain to World Resource usage. Darwinian Green.
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Dave
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How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm?
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I always try to look on the BRIGHT Side.
Whether a result of Global warming or not, Land masses so near sea-level that near-term sinking would devour them, are mostly those of very low
economic resource and viability. Bangladesh comes to mind, but others are also over-stressed and under-productive. Their LOSS would actually be a
net gain to World Resource usage. Darwinian Green. |
You don't think they're all gonna stay and drown, do ya?
Someone should call India and tell them to set another place for supper.
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dtutko1
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I wish they wouldn't even use the term global warming. We have a couple hundred or so years of data of a million or so years of earth. This gives the
doubters alot to argue about. I'd rather they focus on polution control, clean air and water, and energy conservation/efficiency creating products
and jobs that cannot be outsourced. Think more about the return on investment available for clean energy and energy use reductions. A CFL replacing an
incandescent bulb used 8 hours/day presents one of the best return on investments a person can make.
Don
Dorado Don
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MrBillM
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India and a Rising TIDE of Pakis ?
Or, I guess Bangi's now.
It's a Win-Win either way.
If they FLOOD into India, they'll be given a place.
Not likely at the Dinner table, though.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtutko1
I wish they wouldn't even use the term global warming. We have a couple hundred or so years of data of a million or so years of earth. This gives the
doubters alot to argue about. I'd rather they focus on polution control, clean air and water, and energy conservation/efficiency creating products
and jobs that cannot be outsourced. Think more about the return on investment available for clean energy and energy use reductions. A CFL replacing an
incandescent bulb used 8 hours/day presents one of the best return on investments a person can make.
Don |
Agree. Seems like pollution control would be a common ground for agreement between those who are ardent climate change folks and those who are not. By
focusing on pollution control, there would be the side benefit of helping the environment, whether one believes it is stressed or not.
As for Mr. Bill, kudos for having the world's first coal-fired heating device for a mobile home.
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fender
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtutko1
I wish they wouldn't even use the term global warming. We have a couple hundred or so years of data of a million or so years of earth.
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 huh????
oh lawdy!
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtutko1
A CFL replacing an incandescent bulb used 8 hours/day presents one of the best return on investments a person can make.
Don |
You ever bought or used one? In my experience CFLs are crap. They last nowhere near as long as advertised (LASTS TEN TIMES LONGER!!!) especially the
“3-way” or “dimmable” ones. Some die faster than the incandescents they are replacing. (Don't believe just my experience? Read some of the reviews on
Amazon). I even had a few shoot sparks out of them when they went bad, luckily I was in the room and could shut off the switch before a fire
started....And they contain hazardous mercury. Most are probably made in India or China and who the heck knows what environmental damage is being done
during the manufacturing process, let alone the disposal nightmare right here at home.
I am all for doing good thing for the environment, but CFLs are not the answer, and will probably turn out to be a bigger scam than anthropogenic
global warming. LED lights look to be a viable option; if they can tone down the harshness, and lower the price.
[Edited on 11-24-2009 by Taco de Baja]
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
When every high tide flows into Pompano's home, then I will agree sea levels have risen.
Also, when sea levels have risen:
When Shell Island is an island all the time, when the sand no longer touches Requeson or San Luis Gonzaga islands at low tide, when the salt flats at
Guerrero Negro, Scammon's and San Ignacio lagoons are covered with water...
Islands and some other land masses are sinking and the sea levels are the same... but, would 'seem to be' rising.
Now it is true Baja California and Alta California (west of the San Andreas fault) is sliding north at an inch or so a year... I have not seen
anything that says Baja is also RISING... which it would have to be, if sea levels were rising and not see water in Pompano's house every day. |
DK: your fight against the inconvenient truth of science reminds me of catholic church persecution of Galileo, albeit a bit more mild. In the long
run, the catholic church finally came around to see the light so to speak.
[Edited on 11-23-2009 by mtgoat666] |
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MrBillM
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No Coal and No Tire Fires
Coal's too messy, but I'd buy some IF it peeed off any Liberal Neighbors. Seeing a Liberal peeed is always worthwhile.
I thought about trading UP to a Mobile Home, but changed my mind when I found out how much it would cost to reinforce the flooring to hold the Gun
Safes.
And, having burned more than a couple of tires in other's yards and once in the middle of a street during my (sometimes) vengeful youth, I wouldn't
want to burn any at a campfire. Dense, Black Smoke.
Probably ruin the Marshmallows, too.
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