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LancairDriver
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I just spoke with a recently retired DEA supervisor friend who told me they have long known the Mexican "pilot pool" stealing the aircraft have been
made an offer neither they or their family can refuse. A bullet or a bribe. Apparently there is an adequate number in the pool to keep the business
going.
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airmech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
just take a wheel off and problem solved |
Not as easy as you might think. Yeah, easy when your at a hanger when you have jacks and tools around. But down on a dirt strip. First you have to
carry a pretty heavy jack with you every where you go. Those little cheap jacks that come with your car really wont work. Then, after you take off the
tire then what? You going to rest the axle on a couple of 2x4's so when the wind blows it knocks it off and now your wing and gear are damaged??
Comparing airplanes to cars is like apples and oranges. There are different rules and regulations. And if you screw something up when you get down
there good luck getting an airplane part, tube or tire, even bolts and nuts will be hard getting down there.
As far as disabling devices like fuel cut offs and switches, it fine if you can install them yourself but a regular A&P mechanic wont because you
have to get it approved by the FAA. And good luck with that. No A&P mechanic is going to risk their license to install something not approved by
the FAA on your airplane just so you can go to Mexico.
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
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wessongroup
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yeah, i know it wouldn't be easy.. and of course you would be down in the baja... and was not comparing cars to planes... only the sinking feeling you
have when someone steals something from you that you use for transportation... and you are left standing there with your **** in your hand..
if nuts and bolts are still hard to get down south, then take a nut or bolt off or let the air out of the tires ... the concept is the same.. disable
the vehicles ability to move ... be it a water craft, aircraft, or land craft.. or space craft
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
if nuts and bolts are still hard to get down south, then take a nut or bolt off or let the air out of the tires ... the concept is the same.. disable
the vehicles ability to move ... be it a water craft, aircraft, or land craft.. or space craft |
A total waste of time. The airplane spotters would just tell the crooks what is missing (e.g. tire) and they will bring one with them. Besides,
airmech had it right, carrying the tools to remove a tire is a lot of weight and work. Installing a hidden fuel cutoff is not legal, unless FAA
approved. Have an accident, and expect your insurance carrier to refuse payment. All the policies have a clause that the aircraft has to be airworthy
(e.g no illegal modifications).
The real trap is that if they want the plane, they will just wait until you are ready to take-off and put a gun to your head. This has been done
before in Mexico. Do you know why there are more and more carjackings? The new anti-theft devices prevent cars from being hotwired. You need the key
with the RFID chip in it to start. So the thieves just pick a car with the driver and key.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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capt. mike
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you guys are right. Airmech and Arrowhead.
this will simply be a case of common sense says if you fly a 200 series Cessna you need to leave it at home away from Mexico.
too bad.
a lot of people have already decided to quit recreational flights south.
there's plenty of great destinations in the states of USA.
the 1st time a low wing hi-perf retractible gets ripped - i am done too.
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wessongroup
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is it your position that it is impossible to disable an aircraft while on the ground in baja?
the scenario of gun to the head, you should also add in: your family is being held hostage, along with many other potential forms, ahhhh may I say,
"pressure" which could be applied to get what is wanted ...
if one has the the potential of running into folks who are very rich, very powerful and do not care about you and/or anyone one bit... then you should
think about it for a very, very long time... before going into their "court" as the lines for this game just changed......
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capt. mike
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"is it your position that it is impossible to disable an aircraft while on the ground in baja? "
no - it can be done, it simply is problematic and not worth the hassle.
no one needs to fly to mexico bad enough that he has to go to that level.
better to just not go than to screw up your plane or have others do it for you.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
How long was it on the ground? It would probably take hours to bring the closest pilot in, there just aren't that many people who
know how to steal an airplane. |
The pilot flew out. What's to say he wasn't flown in.
Definite collusion involved. But it wouldn't have to include someone from Asuncion. It could be where the flight cleared, no?
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wessongroup
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good, then it can be done... it's just a lot of work and effort to protect an item of value.. as it should be..
second point, one can evaluate the situation, and based on, the latest facts, experience and training of the individual and/or individuals, could
reach an informed decision on whether to go or not..
believe this is about "travel" in the baja in general.. one had better think before they take a ride down... and understand they are not in the states
and there is in fact a real war going on....
seems to me there was a poster just a while back that "truly" did not understand where this individual was going.. many here were trying to point out
that what you do in the states is in the states and you should know that it is not that way down here... the poster was "kissmewillyou"
i'm sure that this individual did not have any problems at all, but it did focus attention on the difference in how one travels in the united states
as apposed to baja and/or mexico
[Edited on 12-21-2009 by wessongroup]
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capt. mike
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Sheri - not much yet over on BBP
do you know if the owner was a BBP member?
how are they getting out?
BBP often helps.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
You read the words of Leyzaola the TJ security chief yesterday who said himself, "behind every crime is a corrupt police man."
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Any ex-TJ cops pounding the beat between Asuncion and Abreojos? There's the local spotter guy! Call the cops, quick.
Apologies for making fun of a bad situation.
I'm just real curious about how the thieves, certainly from the outside, knew the plane was there.
How long was it on the ground?
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
How long was it on the ground? It would probably take hours to bring the closest pilot in, there just aren't that many people who
know how to steal an airplane. |
The pilot flew out. What's to say he wasn't flown in.
Definite collusion involved. But it wouldn't have to include someone from Asuncion. It could be where the flight cleared, no? |
Hmmm, certainly could be. Lots of possibilities.
But Asuncion is such a remote place. I think someone driving through enroute to someplace else noticing the plane can be ruled out.
It could be that one of the travelers innocently mentioned the itinerary to the wrong person before leaving.
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fishbuck
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This sure is happening quite often. Sorry to hear about it.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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UnoMas
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Doesn't seem to be any info coming out on this. It would have been nice to have a discription (color and N numbers). Could have flown over many Nomads
today and would never known it was the missing plane. May be this should be standard procedure when reporting an incident if that information is
known.
I am sure Shari has had her hands full today and that is why we haven't heard back from her, I know how I would feel if it were me. Hope they catch
the rotten B@**%#!$ 
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by airmech
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
just take a wheel off and problem solved |
Not as easy as you might think. Yeah, easy when your at a hanger when you have jacks and tools around. But down on a dirt strip. First you have to
carry a pretty heavy jack with you every where you go. Those little cheap jacks that come with your car really wont work. Then, after you take off the
tire then what? You going to rest the axle on a couple of 2x4's so when the wind blows it knocks it off and now your wing and gear are damaged??
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A pair of plyers, a cresent wrench, a small hammer. No jack nesscessary for the nose gear wheel.
Knock the retaining bolt out, remove the spacers and the axel. Done.
Leave sitting on the fork. Won't hurt it.
[Edited on 12-22-2009 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
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Wont"t work Fishbuck if you are a Taildragger Pilot.I can wind that sucker up and take off and land with out too much damage to the Nose Strut.
Course you have to have some experience with a Taildragger!!
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Wont"t work Fishbuck if you are a Taildragger Pilot.I can wind that sucker up and take off and land with out too much damage to the Nose Strut.
Course you have to have some experience with a Taildragger!!
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Bullcrap!
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Wont"t work Fishbuck if you are a Taildragger Pilot.I can wind that sucker up and take off and land with out too much damage to the Nose Strut.
Course you have to have some experience with a Taildragger!!
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Bullcrap! |
Agreed- The prop wouldn't have enough clearance with the nose wheel gone and it would thrash itself to destruction in the dirt as soon as you started
the engine. Even if there were clearance I doubt if you would have enough power to plow a furrow with the fork dragging in the dirt.
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Marla Daily
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Sherlock!
What do the stolen planes all have in common?
Where did these planes enter Baja?
What time did they enter and who was on duty?
Where did they file their flight plan?
Where did they fuel?
Somewhere there is a common denominator. And it isn't the strips from which ! they have been stolen: Serenidad; L.A. Bay; Gonzaga; Asencion. There is
a well-paid tipster
somewhere along the chain of common information.
Someone knowledgeable needs to do a spreadsheet to find the pattern!
Dicho Mexicana: El delito acusa! (The crime itself accuses.)
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chernefitter
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I am not a pilot but if you watch enough tv or movies it doesn't take a genious to figure out you can fly low to the ground or ocean and not be
detected on a radar screen. Also looks to be an "inside" job on the theft...they were just biding their time, especially around the holidays waiting
for the right model to show up. Bummer. I'm sure they had insurance, but still......
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