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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
Diane
when a plane falls out of the sky, will you never fly with them again? what if it was weather related, terrorism, faulty maintenance, or, like in San
Diego 35 years ago, when a student pilot clipped a descending PSA passenger jet.
if it's your turn whatcha gonna do?
i do agree though, that it is your choice/$ to use as you choose and that is as it should be.... |
Woody,
I watched the head of Toyota admit under oath that they knew about the problems and about the potential danger involved, and they made a business
decision to not do the recalls--- a money decision that killed people.
And no, they are not the first, nor will they be the last company who do the same thing. But I just cannot accept the oh well, others do it so it is
OK so ignore it.
But in the end, it is our fault because it appears that we tend to accept these things unless it affects us personally.
[Edited on 3-13-2010 by DianaT]
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It is surmised that Toyota is more willing to pay the lawsuits for accidents than to admit to a problem. Admitting to a problem might mean paying the
class action suits that are popping up for the drop in value of all models of Toyota
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5imJf-xAYjZ...
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FWIW,
last monday morning an employee of one of my electric sub contractors was driving thru joshua tree on the 62/29 palms highway on his way to 29 palms
for another week of work. his 2.5 hour drive from vista was 30 minutes from completion when 2 drunk Marines in an F250 blew thru a stop sign at 50 mph
and t-boned Dave on the passenger side of his mini van at 5:10 am!!!!!!! Dave woke up in the ambulance on the way to palm springs and a week later
still doesn't know the WTF happened. Dave has 20+ staples in his skull, 3 broken ribs, a concusion and various cuts and bruises. when will he get back
to work?
are the car companies to blame for his injuries, or the alcohol slingers?
GET WELL, DAVE!!! WE MISS YOU BRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
edit: or is it just fate?
[Edited on 3-13-2010 by woody in ob]
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If the F250 was drunk , yes. Otherwise not relevant to the thread
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my money is on the EDIT!
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Reposted here by permission...
from 'oxi' on Tacoma World:
Toyota's Silent 'Mule'
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Indulge me for a moment, but all those people who have laughed and pointed at Toyota's torment in the past few weeks are getting ready to echo what
that cowboy had to tell the prospector: "No sir, but I've always wanted to."
You see, there have been two important events that have already occurred this week if you've been following the story of how the world's largest
automotive manufacturer has been ridiculed and debased after recalling 8.5 million automobiles due to a variety of acceleration, transmission and
floor mat issues.
First, General Motors just recalled 1.3 million cars on Monday for steering problems. What? You didn't see that? Where were the TV cameras? Where were
the righteous who demanded that, no, the American president of Toyota (Jim Lentz) wasn't good enough, that our "pound of flesh" must come from the
"big man" himself - Akio Toyoda - so that he could be publicly humiliated last week? Don't dare think the government is going to slap GM after last
year's bail-out.
Secondly, on Monday Toyota announced it will now sell any new car or truck to a qualified buyer by providing that person with a five-year,
zero-interest loan. Further, Toyota will change the oil and offer complete maintenance for free for the first two years. And, yes, on top of that
there will be rebates up to $3,000 on certain models. That's strong.
Listen, gunslinger, General Motors doesn't have bullets like that. Toyota's third-quarter earnings last year were $1.7 billion, exactly the same
amount lost during the third quarter of 2008. The company also just sold 2.07 million vehicles from October to December so, with the recall
embarrassment, now there is a firm-jawed resolve to make the overblown travesty "the mother of all recalls."
Right now Toyota is processing 50,000 recalled vehicles a day, somewhat easily, too, I might add. To do so, their dealers are loaning cars while
repairs are being made, paying rental fees and even taxi receipts. The simple fact is that never in the history of the auto industry has there been
such an intense response. General Motors, on the other hand, will not offer a similar assistance program to the 1.3 million owners in this latest
recall because, quite frankly, it doesn't have the clout nor the "want to" that Toyota does right now.
Listen to this - J.D. Power has just announced the best luxury car in the world right now is a Lexus, the premium brand of Toyota that just dominated
four of J.D. Power's five main categories. This week Consumer Reports, not a government agency but one of the most respected quality-assurance sources
in our country, returned eight different Toyota models to its "recommended" list. Go ahead, look it up. While you're at it, buy the Consumer Reports'
car annual; you'll see for yourself Toyota is a tight No. 3 overall while GM and Chrysler are solidly "dead last."
What our jeering Congress members actually did last week while ridiculing Toyota was to make the company more determined, more results-driven and,
yes, even a bit angry. Those that mock Toyota as "Japanese" are too stupid to realize today there are 175,000 Americans who are paid each day by the
auto manufacturer. My goodness, look how many plants they have built in the United States in the last 10 years while American manufacturers have been
stagnant.
Those who laugh and point have not yet been to Blue Springs, Miss., a sleepy town in the northeast part of the state. Toyota has just spent $300
million building a new plant in that poverty-riddled area that will soon employ 2,000 job-starved people. Toyota also pledged $50 million to "better
educate" potential workers in Mississippi, but had to delay the plant's opening because of a lagging market and (gulp) the hysteria resulting from the
recent recall, which is expected to cost the company $2 billion.
Has this country gone completely crazy? Instead of slapping Toyota around and forcing Mr. Toyoda to bow before a sadly-arrogant Congressional
committee, we should instead have gracefully allowed the largest manufacturer in the world to clean up its own mess in the same way we have afforded
other car companies to handle their own recalls for years.
What's that? The other companies? Automotive recalls protect consumers when, in truth, very few actual cases are ever found. But what you need to know
is that, in the last 20 years, there have been 569 recalls of Toyota vehicles. At the same time, there have been 3,498 recalls of General Motors
vehicles. Yes, there have also been 2,691 Ford recalls and 2,419 Chrysler recalls, too. Do those numbers tell you anything, particularly if you are a
fortune-teller?
So now America - our Congress and all of us they call constituents - must "behold the mule." You see, all Toyota has to do is wait. General Motors
doesn't have "the bullets" to play in a high-stakes card game that offers zero-percent financing, free maintenance, rental cars and taxis, and - most
importantly - has its "hold cards" the best-made vehicles with the highest reliability and safety ratings in the whole world.
Just in case you weren't listening as Aiko Toyoda bowed before Congress last week, you should have heard both big hammers being pulled back. You mark
this down; those men in Congress, the ones who took the UAW contributions and strutted about like proud little roosters, should have fallen for the
ploy, but, far worse, they should have never laughed.
"Sonny boy, have you ever kissed the south end of a north-bound mule?"
http://chattanoogan.com/articles/article_170186.asp
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Who ever this guy is, he really missed the point----seems to be epidemic among some.
The operative word is GM RECALLED. Toyota's lack of ethics is that they knew there were problems and they DID NOT recall.
Big difference. BTW, GM would probably not be our choice for our next vehicles ---do not care much for them.
But this guy is comparing apples to oranges.
Like their vehicles or not, it is difficult to believe that anyone would excuse and support how they handled this. It sounds like one of the
conspiracy believing nut cases with another agenda in mind.
[Edited on 3-13-2010 by DianaT]
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Key off at high speed is no sweat, you lose power steering, and have about two assisted stabs on the brakes, then manual brakes only. The key will not
turn to the "locked" position unless the car or truck is in park. It is the same as running out of gas at 70 on the freeway! Going to neutral would
redline the motor, better to hit the key, IMHO. 93 Toy 2wd pu, 97 2wd T-100, 2000 2wd Tundra SR-5, 2002 Tundra SR-5 4x4, 2, 2005 Tundra 4x4's,
totalled one into a K-rail at 70!, 2009 Tundra TRD SR-5 4x4. All great trucks, and I fix 'em for a living. But when I move south, a good old truck is
next. Toyota tried to dodge a bullet, and missed. I got the recall noticed a couple days ago, I'll have it "fixed" soon, and start building my Baja
truck soon after.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
It is surmised that Toyota is more willing to pay the lawsuits for accidents than to admit to a problem. Admitting to a problem might mean paying the
class action suits that are popping up for the drop in value of all models of Toyota
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5imJf-xAYjZ... |
Funny that some don't see that this game is a "Global Game" and it is played as well by the Japanesse as any others...
Most American car makers, had their feet held to the "coals" by a guy named "Ralph Nader" in years past..
They (the American Car Companies) ate their lunch due to very poor advice.. the Japanesses are again... "good studies".. they learn from others
mistakes ....
They got a good PR firm, who advised them, and correctly so.. go "proactive" now that the spin in going against them.. and falling on ones sword is
really the best thing to do.. look what it accomplished...
The Japanesse are excellent businessmen.. and their ability to produce quality products is not in question, rather the quality control and the
apparent failure to adopt measure which would have perhaps prevented this media event.. and the associated problems some have experienced.
Are the American car makers using this to their advantage of course... they are in Business to try and make a buck too, just like the Japaneese..
also.. I hope the American car Companies are trying to make a buck as our Government owns them!!! which is just about the way business is run in Japan
too.. “The Japanese government paid for 100% of the development of the battery and hybrid system that went into the Toyota Prius.” by James Press..
former Toyota executive and now Chrylser LLC vice chairman.... guess he did not like his "golden parachute" received from Toyota?
It's business and these are the same as toasters.. they are made on an assymbley line by workers who put them togather.. they are not part of ones
body.. nor do they do anything more than move one from point A to point B.. with the less amount of cost in varing degrees of comfort and/or status
They are but tools made by very large Companies and are used by folks who buy them ... and the bottom line in every case is "money".. not people...
but, you all knew that
And for the the old prospector story, here is another....
Old prospector comes into town, gets off his mule, walks around to it's rear end and lifts it's tail and plants a big kiss right on it's you know what
....
Walks into the bar and gets a shot of whiskey... goes back out and kiss his mules butt again... comes back and gets another shot..
Bartender.... got know why you keep kissing you mules ahole.. the old prospector.. well, I got chapped lips, and that keeps me from licking them...
Guess the moral to the story is, there are ways of doing things.. some a bit more unusuall than many of us would chose.... given the
chance..
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Let's see.....
0% financing for five years or a rebate, free oil changes or service for two years.........a new vehicle that with all of this publicity under a
microscope will probably be the safest, overengineered vehicle around for several years.......
Sign me up for a 2012 Tundra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Has this country gone completely crazy? Instead of slapping Toyota around and forcing Mr. Toyoda to bow before a sadly-arrogant Congressional
committee, we should instead have gracefully allowed the largest manufacturer in the world to clean up its own mess in the same way we have afforded
other car companies to handle their own recalls for years.
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dk,
glad to know we can count on you to always get it wrong
somewhat surprised you did not blame the toyota problem on obama, democrats and socialism.
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Read closer goat man, I didn't write that...
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you lost me on this one
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
FWIW,
last monday morning an employee of one of my electric sub contractors was driving thru joshua tree on the 62/29 palms highway on his way to 29 palms
for another week of work. his 2.5 hour drive from vista was 30 minutes from completion when 2 drunk Marines in an F250 blew thru a stop sign at 50 mph
and t-boned Dave on the passenger side of his mini van at 5:10 am!!!!!!! Dave woke up in the ambulance on the way to palm springs and a week later
still doesn't know the WTF happened. Dave has 20+ staples in his skull, 3 broken ribs, a concusion and various cuts and bruises. when will he get back
to work?
are the car companies to blame for his injuries, or the alcohol slingers?
GET WELL, DAVE!!! WE MISS YOU BRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
edit: or is it just fate?
[Edited on 3-13-2010 by woody in ob] |
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just a long-winded story about how people are always trying to place blame on "something or someone" when the blame rests firmly on chance, errr,
fate.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Read closer goat man, I didn't write that... |
No, but you posted it.
Was your posting it supposed to mean that you didn't agree with it ?
Maybe you should try to be clearer with your posts ?? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Let's see.....
0% financing for five years or a rebate, free oil changes or service for two years.........a new vehicle that with all of this publicity under a
microscope will probably be the safest, overengineered vehicle around for several years.......
Sign me up for a 2012 Tundra |
If I was going to buy, I agree 100%... had mentioned that to DK.. too bad he got his a few months ago.. still a good deal.. but, now... OH MY
Can't beat that with a stick..
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Read closer goat man, I didn't write that... |
bloated bloviating boy:
so what? in posting it is was apparent you agreed and wanted to tell us all about it
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I think the 40,000 mile test was pretty much unbiased, and that's the way they saw the truck after 40k miles. Some people are biased and wouldn't
admit a flexing body and squeaky door no matter what (one driver said he couldn't hear the door noise over the tire noise) so maybe there are a lot of
drivers that don't realize it's flexing.. Also this was a test, you can bet they drove the pee out of that truck, some people baby theirs, that will
make a difference in the suspension and chassis. Sorry to say I have to give it thumbs down.
[Edited on 3-17-2010 by 805gregg]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
I would use the Icon adj. coilovers. Fully adj. for height, and good valving. |
I drive past Icon's offices each day on my way to work/home. They are located across the street from Toyota of Riverside, btw.
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you can talk all you want, Toyota is a great truck, I have owned one and it was great, but in the past few years they turned to profit over the
customer, they don't care anymore when they continue to outsource their parts, and their quality control wasn't done as it used to be, so anyway they
are going down rapidly, as I have said before if you want a truck or car by TOYOTA, wait a bit longer and you will get a deal that is mind boggling,
you can get one now.
The sad part is there will be no parts available and what parts are, you will pay dearly, since they will have and will a monoply on all their parts,
and you wont be able to get them anywhere else, remember they need to pay these law suits, how? money- money- money from where? parts.
So anyway I bought the BIG BOY SUPER DUTY DIESEL a real mans truck, Toyota I would have considered but they are in the little guys league, they need
to get in the TONKA TOY BUSINESS. HUM
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