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David K
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Hi Ken,
I dropped into Discount Tires today to have a look... they don't have the new General Grabbers in yet (didn't even know about them).
Looked at the Falken Wildpeak A/T, Pirelli Scorpion, priced a couple others. BFG All Terrain T/As are the most expensive at $219, Pirellis were about
$190, Falkens, Coopers and Toyos are all about $150. He really was pushing the BFGs... lol!
I am not yet at 15,000 miles on my BFG Rugged Fails... and in the past, they lasted to 25,000 before flats became a problem... and I already have had
one flat at 13,000 miles near Laguna Chapala, coming down from Coco's.
I am really feeling warm towards the General Grabber...
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I have a '98 Tacoma 4wd 2.7L 4 banger with a regular cab. I use the vehicle in La Paz for street transportation and on sandy beaches (also, I plan to
beach launch my 15 ft fiber glass outboard runabout with it).
What's the best tire for this vehicle and this use?
Hope this isn't considered an attempt to hijack this thread(?) Was going to start another thread, but seemed redundant to this one.
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David K
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That's easy, street and sand driving both work great on street/ highway type tires. You may just want to get LT rated truck tires, but don't need
agressive tread if snow, mud and rock crawling isn't in the menu.
Tire pressure may be dropped to 15 psi to improve floatation in sand, depending on the type of sand and other factors. Use 4WD High Range for sand, as
low range gives so much torque, it will spin the tires too much and bury you easier.
[Edited on 8-22-2010 by David K]
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MitchMan
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Thank you very much, David K. Yeah, I don't do any rock crawling for recreation, just what ever it takes to get to and from the fish. Appreciated the
tip on using 4WD high. I am a complete novice on this stuff.
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David, Im running PRO-COMP'S A/T. rated @ 50,000 miles I had put 40,000 miles on them and two of them are already bald, I have done the proper tire
rotations on time and i don't belive I will get 50k miles of them. I bought them at 4wheelParts in Chula Vista @ $264 a tire.... i fell like going to
them and having a talk. about the tires.....Im getting the General's on my next purchase...
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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David K
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If it is a 50,000 mile tire and wears out at 40,000 miles, the next set would be 20% cheaper... (10,000 miles is 20% of 50,000 miles). That is if you
want the same tire...
On my 2001 Tacoma, after the second set of Rugged Trails wore out, I took Bedman's recommendation and went to Pep Boys and bought their Futura Dakotas
(now called Destiny Dakotas)... made by Cooper. They were 40,000 mile tires, but barely lasted to 25,000 miles... They were only $85 each back in
2003, and the next set were almost half price as they only lasted a bit over half the warantee.... but $50 bucks for a 265/70-16 all terrain tire was
impossible to pass up.
The listed price is still a low $117 for this tire at the local store.
[Edited on 8-23-2010 by David K]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
Thank you very much, David K. Yeah, I don't do any rock crawling for recreation, just what ever it takes to get to and from the fish. Appreciated the
tip on using 4WD high. I am a complete novice on this stuff. |
You can try to cruise across the sand (keeping your momentum up if it is soft)... IF you bog down... don't panic, don't spin the tires... Once forward
speed stops, then downward movement begins! So, just stop and let air out of all 4 tires... to 15 psi (a good dial gauge that reads under 10 psi is a
must, and a good air pump to refill the tires after the sand run, as well.
You should be able to just motor on after you air down... keep tires pointed straight, make sure you ARE indeed in 4WD (hubs locked, if you have
manual hubs). Avoid sharp turns or slamming on the brakes while deflated.
Here is the look of my tracks before deflating (truck was drifting a bit sideways on the steep beach)... The truck was fully loaded and even with
traction control (limited slip) it struggled in the deep sand:
After dropping to 15 psi, the truck straightened out and 'floated' with ease!:
looking back...
Piece of cake!
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Mexray
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Another vote for the...
...Pro Comp Xtreme AT...I bought a set for our F-350 with the Lance camper aboard - needed some 'meat' to carry all that weight!
I needed 325/65R-18's to get the job done - those tires really made a difference...their wide 'footprint' really helped the 'sway' around curves with
that camper weight up high...
I ran on the beach at Pismo with those tires, and really didn't have to air down due to their width...I even put those same tires and wheels on our
2001 Excursion and ran all over the dunes at Pismo on another trip after airing down to get through the soft stuff...what a blast to see that big
hunkin' SUV up there on top of a big dune!
[Edited on 8-23-2010 by Mexray]
![11.09 Pismo dunes [640x480].JPG - 50kB](https://forums.bajanomad.com/files.php?pid=541020&aid=26588 "11.09 Pismo dunes [640x480].JPG - 50kB")
According to my clock...anytime is \'BAJA TIME\' & as Jimmy Buffett says,
\"It doesn\'t use numbers or moving hands It always just says now...\"
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Pro Comp on the camper rig..
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According to my clock...anytime is \'BAJA TIME\' & as Jimmy Buffett says,
\"It doesn\'t use numbers or moving hands It always just says now...\"
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MitchMan
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Very cool. Great pics illustrating the point. Spot on.
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Carroll's Tire Warehouse in Bakersfield has LT265/75R16 BFG TA KO for $169.95. LT285 for $194.95. Bridgestone Duelers LT265 10ply $168.95 and LT285
8ply $169.95. Michelin LT265 10 ply $184.95.
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David K
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Get me a good price on the General Grabbers Tom... then bring them to me from Bakersfield... I'll buy dinner!   
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Carroll's don't show the General Grabber but I'm going to the bike shop in a little while and I'll stop by there and see what they say.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Here are some recommendations for David K...I have been investigating and doing my research for you brother.
For the kind of travel you do, and the mix of light off-roading and high-speed Baja driving, I'm thinking a high-quality All-Terrain tire is what you
should look into.
Here is my first pick for David...
Part Number: PCT560265
LT265/75R16, Pro Comp Xtreme All Terrain Radial
Load Range E
Max Load 3415
Tread Depth 18/32
Overall Diameter 31.6 Inches
Black SideWall
Sidewall Construction= Tri-Ply
40,000 Mile Tread Wear Warranty
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I have been thinking about running the 35" Pro Comp Xtreme All-Terrain myself. These tires worked well in Anza Borrego during a flash flood 1 year
ago on my friends Unlimited JK Rubicon, and they are quiet on the highway, and work like they are supposed to off-road.
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David K
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Overall Winner last weekend's Vegas to Reno Race
Rick Johnson using General Grabbers!
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David K
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Read the review in Petersen's
http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticles/wheels/131_1007_ne...
New DOT-Approved General Grabber
General's Tough New Off-Road Tire
From the July, 2010 issue of 4Wheel & Off-Road
By Kevin McNulty
Photography by Kevin McNulty
We always seem to find ourselves a little delirious when a new off-road tire is released. We can barely stand the wait to get our mitts on them for
some hardcore testing. General Tire introduced the Grabber Competition tire about two years ago, and it has proven its toughness and dependability
through numerous of off-road events like CORR races, the Baja 1000 and 500, the San Felipe 250, and Vegas to Reno races. General now offers a
DOT-approved version of the Grabber for regular folks like us.
Given our location near the high deserts and mountains of Southern California, we rarely have difficulty finding tough testing grounds. Through our
grueling testing we found the Grabber extremely capable off road, providing excellent traction in mud, rocks, snow, and sand. What really impressed us
was that the Grabber was not only able to provide good all-around traction in a number of environments, but was also highway-friendly without the
drone so commonly found in mud tires. We have to rate the Grabber a great to-and-from-the-trail tire, perfect for the weekend warrior desert racers!
I specially enjoyed the comments under the sand driving photo:
The 35x12.5R17 Grabbers allowed us to blast through sand dunes without digging in and burying ourselves. With the tires set at 32 psi we were still
able to climb steep dunes and float across flat sections of the softest sand. The tires are available in 33- to 35-inch sizes for 15- to 20-inch
wheels
Could this be the perfect Baja tire?:
The wide voids of the Grabber allowed it to self-clean in the mud. The tire features Acoustic Modulation Technology, a wave-suppression technology
that provides an exceptionally quiet street ride. They also feature General's patented Strake & Chamfer tread design, a design of diagonal grooves
and chamfered lug corners that gives the tire its traction capabilities.
Move over BFG???:
The Grabber is constructed with seven-ply tread: three polyester, two steel, and two polyamide belts. The sidewall features three polyester belts.
After running the rocky trails of Hammer we didn't notice any chunking, tearing, or gouges in the sidewall.
[Edited on 8-25-2010 by David K]
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David,
I am going to wait to hear what you have to say before i run out and buy a set. I want my Jeep to quiet down on the highway, but I want the
dependability of my Interco tires which these over-built tires probably have.
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I stopped by Carroll's yesterdaqy and they quoted me $156 on the general Grabber AT2 is that the tire your looking at DK? 60,000 warranty.
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[The Grabber is constructed with seven-ply tread: three polyester, two steel, and two polyamide belts. The sidewall features three polyester belts.]
Now that would interest me.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
David,
I am going to wait to hear what you have to say before i run out and buy a set. I want my Jeep to quiet down on the highway, but I want the
dependability of my Interco tires which these over-built tires probably have. |
Read Petersen's review (link and some text above)... I will not be the first Nomad to get them, I am sure... I have another 10,000 miles to go on the
BFG Rugged Fails, plus, I need some jobs for some $$$ first!!!
They do seem to be a winner (so far)!
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