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I think the debate it too late and the genie is out of the bottle. Even if you put it back in, there are certainly enough manufactured assault rifles
to go around.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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Too many protections for egregious offenders. I firmly believe that, at some point in time, a murderer gives up his right of Constitutional protection
and should be treated accordingly.
I dislike hearing that a person can't be questioned for reasons as idiotic that his dialect is a bit foreign to a native speaker of his tongue, etc
etc etc.
Times have changed since the Constitution was written. Changed a lot. The Constitution has to be brought into the 21st century. It was written
before anybody knew what a car was. How could anybody think the ideas of that day are timeless?
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Dave
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Proliferation?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Yet, there really needs to be a sane middle ground where there can be balance between law-abiding citizen's right to own and bear arms, and the almost
uncontrolled proliferation of the type of weapon that ought to be limited to battlefield use. |
Where...And with what outcome? 
In Texas, which arguably has the most lax gun laws in the country, El Paso has been voted one of America's safest cities. It's citizens can legally
own all manner of assault weapons.
Steps away, Mexico's citizens who are highly restricted with respect to gun ownership are experiencing a bloodbath.
Can we assume these weapons undergo some magical, evil transformation when crossing the Rio Grande?
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Of course. They get into the hands of criminals. But I have to ask, just what is it you do with assault weapons?
That said, I agree with Dennis about the folly of literal reading of the constitution as written and trying to apply it to present times. Groups such
as the tea party today, and so-called strict constructionists rail against judges who attempt to apply the spirit of the constitution to present day
situations that could never have been considered when the document was written.
The problem occurs repeatedly that using the epithet of judicial activism conveniently overlooks the fact that judges from all parts of the
philosophical debate like to cry foul only when they disagree. I don't think anyone would have considered the SCOTUS to be anything but strict
constructionist back in 2000. Yet fact is that Bush v. Gore was a glaring example of activism when it suit the constructionists. Political expediancy.
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Dave
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A fair fight
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Of course. They get into the hands of criminals.
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And with respect to Mexico...ONLY criminals.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
But I have to ask, just what is it you do with assault weapons?
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I'd expect that a law abiding citizen would use an assault weapon to repel an assault.
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Dave
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A 'new age' constitution
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
The Constitution has to be brought into the 21st century. It was written before anybody knew what a car was. How could anybody think the ideas of
that day are timeless? |
Cars can kill.
While there are laws on the books requiring operator training, testing and licensing there are no laws outlawing their purchase...by anyone...
Yet. 
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Dave. You seriously gotta work on that paranoia problem. It's interesting that there are folks on both the right and the left that find real problems
with the tilting of this country towards a nanny state where there are laws and enforcement to attempt to protect everyone from themselves. Truth is
that while I consider myself to be a social liberal, I also have significant libertarian beliefs. And recent history shows that neither the right nor
the left have exclusivity when it comes to trying to control people's behavior.
[Edited on 12-29-2010 by Bajahowodd]
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What's an "assault weapon"?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Cars can kill.
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 That's funny.
Those nasty cars just jump up and kill.
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[Edited on 12-29-2010 by DENNIS]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BillP
What's an "assault weapon"? |
Even this article tends to confuse some of the characteristics. But it give a decent outline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Some of us gun aficionados need to have a little chat with the heirarchy of the National Rifle Association. I'm afraid their little choo choo of
common sense has jumped the rails and whackos are running the zoo.
I am a staunch believer and supporter of the Second Amendment, but not for weapons that are flat-out USELESS for sport hunting. I can outshoot* any
man with any Russian made AK-47 at 300 meters using a standard target ring. A Barrett .50 caliber rifle would pulverize a lot of good meat in an elk.
If someone wants to play with weapons of this class, if they meet the I.D. and background check criteria they should be able to purchase the weapons
in single lot form from reputable gun dealers.
*With my Winchester Model 70 .270 (excellent for deer, a bit light for elk). |
It ain't about hunting. Far
more gun owners go plinking than go hunting. The AK's are just plain fun to shoot. Ever shoot a .50BMG? They're flat assed fun to shoot!
I get sick and tired of the liberal brady types inventing nomenclature.
My Springfield Armory M1-A match target .308 is an assault weapon
My Savage 111 synthetic stock '.06 with scope is a sniper rifle
My Ruger Redhawk .44 mag is a hand cannon
etc
The NRA is doing a great job. They know if they give an inch, the gubment will take a mile.
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AK 47
The Cleveland School massacre occurred on January 17, 1989, at Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California, United States. The gunman, Patrick
Purdy, who had a long criminal history, shot and killed five schoolchildren, and wounded 29 other schoolchildren and one teacher, before committing
suicide.
These types of weapons were soon outlawed in Ca.
I've had all three Macs + other stuff. had to rid them thanks to this crazy punk that killed.
It aint the weapon that kills.
And no....I dont have a solution to this either , so dont troll me :-)
[Edited on 12-29-2010 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Times have changed since the Constitution was written. Changed a lot. The Constitution has to be brought into the 21st century. It was written
before anybody knew what a car was. How could anybody think the ideas of that day are timeless? |
Best post of this thread...
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Line up all them gun nuts and shoot 'em raght between they eyes!
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