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Barry A.
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Mitch-------your listening habits give me great insight into you------and that is good. Personally, I don't listen to ANY of those folks you mention
as they bore me since I already agree with much of what they say and it is so repeticious (sp?). I do listen to NPR daily as there is much useful
info and in-depth coverage if you just disregard some of the input from the left, and the left-slant of the coverage, and also the music is great!
Much to my wife's dismay, I listen to certain shows on MSNBC sometimes at night, again to keep tabs on what the 'left' is saying, and maybe even learn
something, occasionally. 'Hard Ball' is my favorite, with Cris Mathews.
But yes, as you might suspect, FOX NEWS is my primary source of News, if for no other reason then the beauty-queens that are presenting
it--------outstanding viewing!  Then there is the internet------------all the
news one can stand, and then some. 
Barry
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I disagree-----
libs are retards in the worse way... they think "they" are the anointed ones to guide us . I don't feel sorry for any of them, they all would do us a
favor by assuming room temp.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
There's no point in attempting to have a debate with a liberal. Their common sense gene is missing. It's a total waste of time. They're not stupid or
bad people, just misguided and gullible. I used to feel sorry for them. |
* libs, all about choice until you choose different
* B. Hussein Obama - an Empty Suit for Empty Minds.
* Annoy a liberal - Work hard and be happy!
* Arguing facts & truth to libs is like bringing a warm smile to a gun fight.
* Lets win the War on Terror
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OK, beercan, doubling down on Cypressisms: sniping from the shadows, accusations and this time sheer direct name calling. Good stuff. Beercan,
could you be any more of a stereotype? I mean, look at your moniker, "beercan".
Another potential member of the legions of those that post accusation, inuendo, sheer name calling and unsupported criticism, never really positing
sufficient and adequate factual support for any of their accusations, criticisms, and contentions of their own.
Actually, "beercan" ( ), why don't you come up with a logo and then the next
time you post, simply post of copy of the logo, because I strongly suspect that your input is very predictable.
"beercan", really? Maybe that says it all.
[Edited on 8-16-2011 by MitchMan]
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MitchMan
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Barry, cool.
Listening to the opposition is very good and healthy and very informative because, regardless of what side of the political spectrum you come from,
the opposing talk shows will always come up info that you won't get on your own like minded shows, always. Plus, knowing and keeping current on what
is going on with the opposition makes you much better informed of reality and keeps you informed of "all" the facts, not just the facts that support
one point of view or contention. You become better at supporting your own contentions and your contentions will evolve to even a higher level of
truth and correctness.
And, that is the real goal: truth and correctness regardless of party affiliation.
I drop in on Fox news every bit as much as MSNBC, HLN and CNN.
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MitchMan
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Barry, beauty queens, how about that Megan Kelly. She's incredibly good looking, and smart too.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
Barry, beauty queens, how about that Megan Kelly. She's incredibly good looking, and smart too. |
--------as is Harris Faulkner, absolutely the BEST "breaking news" desk person in the business.
They are all great!!!
Barry
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If you want to see some great informative and intensely interesting shows, take a look at CSPN Book TV on Sunday mornings. I usually get up at about
6:00 am and watch various news talk shows on cable while waiting for Meet the Press and Face the Nation. I keep my eye on Book TV because they
usually have very very in depth knowledgeable authors that speak about their latest book usually in a very scholarly fashion. Many of these authors
are just plain brilliant and it is a sheer pleasure to listen and learn to such magnificent articulation. Believe me, it is a totally non-partisan
show. You get leaders from both sides of the political spectrum.
Reminds me a little of the best political talk show that ever aired, "Firing Line" with William F. Buckley Jr. Unfortunately for the country that the
best replacements for him have been the likes of Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. I sorely miss Buckely's scholarly well researched and brilliantly
articulated and well supported discourse. Instead we have inflamatory unsupported accusation, inuendo, spin, and anything but scholarly objective
insight.
[Edited on 8-16-2011 by MitchMan]
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Barry A.
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MitchMan-----Tho as you say, nobody can replace W.F. Buckley, Charles Krauthammer does a excellent job, as does Thomas Sowell.
Then there is Newt Gingrich, Dr. Alan Keyes, Dick Morris, Steve Forbes, and Larry Kudlow-------all who do a decent job of being smart and articulate
Media Conservatives.
I am sure there are others.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
MitchMan-----Tho as you say, nobody can replace W.F. Buckley, Charles Krauthammer does a excellent job, as does Thomas Sowell.
Then there is Newt Gingrich, Dr. Alan Keyes, Dick Morris, Steve Forbes, and Larry Kudlow-------all who do a decent job of being smart and articulate
Media Conservatives.
I am sure there are others.
Barry |
Uhh....Barry. If you find yourself in a hole, quit digging. You were doing fine until you came up with this list of clowns. They can't hold a candle
to William F. Buckley. He was armed with an acute familiarity with his opposition, thereby able to be objective while at the same time strong on his
positions. He was crystal clear in his intelligent and sophisticated presentations.
As Mitchman says, (I am paraphrasing... a very rough rendition), "to know and follow the oppositions arguments can give you a better perspective in
which to support your own arguments."
These guys that you mentioned are completely biased and present in the new browbeating style that emerged with the advent of Fauxnews and Clear
Channel Radio...can you say Rupert Murdock?
Oh, Gingrich was probably the best of the bunch. When he was Speaker of The House he had a vision. He also was able to get things done through
some compromise, and didn't hold the country hostage, hung out to die like today's obstructionist Tea Baggers. But now he has descended into the media
driven,biased, recalcitrant attitudes prevalent in Right Wing politics today. Also,when they were so busy impeaching Bill Clinton for his
transgressions, Newtie was busy with his own cheating ways.
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"Excuse me, sir."
"Ya'll boys lost?" the old man asks.
"Uh, yes, thank you, sir. Sorry for bothering you. Could you tell us how to get back to Baja, please?" "We must have taken a wrong turn and . . . "
"Well, son," as he shifts his chaw and spits, "I know where Baja is . . . " "But ya'll just can't get there from here."
Jake
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Barry A.
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Tony---------I SAID, "nobody can replace William F. Buckley".
Jake----------this entire thread should have been in OFF TOPIC, but it wasn't, and it all started with the premise that Carlos Slim lost a bundle, and
how bad the stock market is---------I took exception to that, that's all. 
Barry
[Edited on 8-17-2011 by Barry A.]
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jakecard
"Excuse me, sir."
"Ya'll boys lost?" the old man asks.
"Uh, yes, thank you, sir. Sorry for bothering you. Could you tell us how to get back to Baja, please?" "We must have taken a wrong turn and . . . "
"Well, son," as he shifts his chaw and spits, "I know where Baja is . . . " "But ya'll just can't get there from here."
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Jake,
You are right, of course!
Let us return to Baja and Carlos Slim's Requiem. Please show us the way:
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In a sec.
Wanted to weigh in on the hijack.
When mentioning Bill Buckley, one also ought to consider Bill Kristol's old man. Obviously, there was once a few intellectual conservatives who made
sense and did so with class.
Sad fact is that this nation, for reasons I won't go into, has continued to drift to the right over the past half century. I'm willing to bet that
someone such as Dwight Eisenhower, if alive today, would be a Democrat.
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Carlos Slim Buys More Stock in the New York Tives
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/23/us-newyorktimes-sa...
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In a sec.
Wanted to weigh in on the hijack.
When mentioning Bill Buckley, one also ought to consider Bill Kristol's old man. Obviously, there was once a few intellectual conservatives who made
sense and did so with class.
Sad fact is that this nation, for reasons I won't go into, has continued to drift to the right over the past half century. I'm willing to bet that
someone such as Dwight Eisenhower, if alive today, would be a Democrat. |
We might as well continue with the "hijack" since no one has contributed to the topic in over a week--
Too bad Bill Kristol fell in with the Neocon gang of Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Donald Rumsfeld. They formed the Project for the
New American Century. Here is some cut and paste:
"Neoconservatism in the United States is a branch of American conservatism that is most known for its advocacy of using American economic and military
power to topple American enemies and promote liberal democracy in other countries. The movement emerged during the early 1970s among Democrats who
disagreed with the party's growing opposition to the Vietnam War and had become skeptical of the Great Society's welfare programs. Although
neoconservatives generally endorse free-market economics, they often believe cultural and moral issues to be more significant, and so have tended to
be less thoroughgoing in opposition to government intervention in society than more traditionally conservative and libertarian members of the
Republican Party.[1][2] Most neoconservatives support the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya."
In the early 90s they colluded with Radical Muslims to try and find a way to topple Saddam Hussein of Iraq. It is then that they conceived the PNAC.
All they needed was to trump up an excuse to invade a sovereign nation so as to mask it illegality. Nine years later they used 9/11 and WMDs as the
excuse and had in place, the right dummy as president, GWB, to implement it.
Michael Lind, a self-described former neoconservative, wrote:
"For the neoconservatives, religion is an instrument of promoting morality. Religion becomes what Plato called a noble lie. It is a myth which is told
to the majority of the society by the philosophical elite in order to ensure social order... In being a kind of secretive elitist approach,
Straussianism does resemble Marxism. These ex-Marxists, or in some cases ex-liberal Straussians, could see themselves as a kind of Leninist group, you
know, who have this covert vision which they want to use to effect change in history, while concealing parts of it from people incapable of
understanding it."
It's all right there for anyone to Google and read. I am not making it up. For those who support this ideology, go there and wallow. 
For those who oppose, go there and prepare to be aghast.  
Oh...get Carlos Slim on the line and let's see if he is aligned with the Neocons. 
OOps...Jan slipped in there, on topic, while I was composing this.
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