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wessongroup
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It is all tied together.... one way or the other..... "Billings Ball of Yarn"...
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
If crime is down, it isn't because of the hard work anyone has done. It is because a truce has been made to save Mexico from the greed it lived and
would have died by. Little by little the narcos will operate under the radar- just like before. But this time they will do so knowing they tested
the waters and won, and now they will own Mexico. |
LMFAO!!!!!! so now you have inside information from the drug cartels??
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Well said, Jesse.
It's about time somebody calls Woooosh on his supposedly inside information on how the drug cartels work.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals. |
Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?
All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here? |
Why? because the cartels operating there are very diferent, its like comparing the Italian mafia to the Chinese triads, diferent methods, diferent way
of doing business. Guerrero is also a state with a huge sierra, large population of illiterate people, guerrillas, and a long history of rebels and
violence. Baja sur is nothing like that. |
Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.
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"Coming to baja"? LOL!!!!!! maybe you have been under a rock wooosh, but it already tried to happen in Tijuana remember? last month there where 8 drug
related murders in TJ, down from what? 80???
I think we are handling it pretty well, why?
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GUERRERO OR THE MAINLAND!!! |
We had four killed in Rosarito just this week alone.. better check your numbers. If you think you will prove Mexico is safe (to anyone of moderate
intelligence) using Mexico-supplied crime statistics you are truly a fool. El Teo lived near you in La Paz and near me in Rosarito Popotla. How soon
you forget his sidekick- the pozolero.
New wikileak: 50% of TJ Cops were corrupt and working for the cartels as recently as 2009. How does that help your numbers or do the corrupt police
fill out reports for everyone they kill?
"Un cable revela que la propia SSP estatal calculó hace dos años que 50% de la fuerza policial trabajaba para los cárteles."
in this article: http://rosaritoenlanoticia.blogspot.com/2011/09/wikileaks-ex...
[Edited on 9-4-2011 by Woooosh] |
I just love the "alarmist" type posting that use a number of shooting in anywhere in Mexico to try to show everywhere in Mexico is extremely
dangerous.
Using Woooosh's logic no American should visit New York city anymore after what happened this weekend.
First there was a report of 24 shootings in 24 hours in New York!
But now the shootings are up over 40 shooting in NYC over the 3 day weekend!
I'm waiting for Woooosh to sound the 'alarmist' bell on "Nomad" forum that the USA is too dangerous, especially New York City.
More than 40 shot in New York City over holiday weekend (UPDATES)
An outbreak of shootings across New York City over Labor Day weekend – including three at the annual West Indian-American Day parade in Brooklyn – has
left more than 40 people injured and five dead.
An outbreak of shootings across New York City over Labor Day weekend – including three at the annual West Indian Day parade in Brooklyn – has left
more than 40 people injured and five dead.
The first shooting took place at 6 a.m. Saturday, when a 35-year-old woman was shot and wounded on the corner of Saratoga Ave. and Newport St. in
Brooklyn. During the next 24 hours, 23 more people were shot in 13 separate incidents, according to the New York Daily News.
Eight people were shot at a backyard party in the Bronx neighborhood of Williamsbridge on Sunday around 3:30 a.m, the New York Times reports. The
wounded included an 11-year-old boy and two girls, ages 13 and 14. Police suspected a 17-year-old was the shooter, and they were looking for him.
Four men were shot at a barbecue in Brooklyn’s East Flatbush neighborhood early Monday morning, NBC News reports. One of the victims, 17-year-old
Tyrief Gary, died.
Another fatal shooting occurred at a home in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, where a 30-year-old man was found just after 2 a.m. on Sunday.
At Monday’s West Indian Day celebration in Brooklyn, two men were shot – one in the leg and one in the stomach – in broad daylight along the parade
route, police told NBC News. The shooter fled on foot. A third person was shot in the leg at the parade later in the afternoon.
Finally, just after 9 p.m., 32-year-old Leroy Webster shot and killed 29-year-old Eusi Johnson, a man he had reportedly argued with earlier that
evening, on Franklin Ave. in Brooklyn, about four blocks from the West Indian Day parade route. He also killed Denise Gay, a woman sitting on a nearby
stoop with her adult daughter, and fired at police officers who were in the neighborhood following the parade, the New York Times reports. Webster
wounded two officers. Police then killed Webster.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a longtime anti-gun activist, reminded New Yorkers that, despite the weekend’s violence, the city's crime rate is the lowest
in the country.
“Unfortunately, we're going to have to keep fighting,” he said, according to NY1 News. “We just shouldn't be fighting it alone. We really do need the
federal government to help in terms of getting guns off the streets.”
read the rest:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/uni...
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lobsterman
Jesse,
Since most of these important baja people, police chiefs, politicians and the likes are probably corrupt and take brides how can you trust what they
say? They are probably using you as a pawn to pass on disinformation they want others to hear to further their corrupt interprises. Look how you
screwed the original owner (RIP) of the restaurant you now own with help from those corrupt ones. |
They might be corrupt, but in private, they tell things the way they are, not the way they tell the media how it is.
As for your comment about me screwing my ex partner, you don't know anything except for the lies and half truths of one side. I can post the entire
story with actual written and legal proof i was the one that was tried to get screwed, and if i havent, is because here in La paz most people
(customers and friends) knew what happened and was on my side so there is no need.
I just want to you know that for many years, i have abstained about posting the complete story as i felt it was pointless, but now that some are using
a fake, full of lies, bullchit story that some wackoo put togheter with lies, half truths, and some facts, i don't think it would be cool that for the
amusement of some pond scum in this board, to taint the memory of someone who is not here.
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drarroyo
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48 shot in NYC over the weekend
3 just blown away at a Carson City IHOP
bladdy blah blah
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comitan
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lencho
Well said. You do not need to defend yourself.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lobsterman
Jesse,
Since most of these important baja people, police chiefs, politicians and the likes are probably corrupt and take brides how can you trust what they
say? They are probably using you as a pawn to pass on disinformation they want others to hear to further their corrupt interprises. Look how you
screwed the original owner (RIP) of the restaurant you now own with help from those corrupt ones. |
They might be corrupt, but in private, they tell things the way they are, not the way they tell the media how it is.
As for your comment about me screwing my ex partner, you don't know anything except for the lies and half truths of one side. I can post the entire
story with actual written and legal proof i was the one that was tried to get screwed, and if i havent, is because here in La paz most people
(customers and friends) knew what happened and was on my side so there is no need.
I just want to you know that for many years, i have abstained about posting the complete story as i felt it was pointless, but now that some are using
a fake, full of lies, bullpuckey story that some wackoo put togheter with lies, half truths, and some facts, i don't think it would be cool that for
the amusement of some pond scum in this board, to taint the memory of someone who is not here. |
I agree you should never have to defend yourself from such baseless attacks Lobsterman accused you of after reading it on some rinky-dinky
anti-Mexican-Muslim hate forum.
Guys like Lobsterman will choose to believe almost all pure fiction. There is nothing you can do about these types like Lobsterman. Who cares what
they believe. Just let them wallow in their hate.
Jesse like you. I been accused of lots of thing. Almost all of them untrue. ( I would say 10 percent of what they say about me is true, but the other
90 percent is all lies, but it's that 10 percent that gives them a little creditably so they could spread the other lies ) Lobsterman use to come
here with direct quotes with tabloid style writing about me, but it was so long and stupid Doug just deleted most of the stuff.
Lobsterman I'm still waiting for that apology because everything you accused me of was proven wrong.
Jesse, I sure don't believe those things said about you, and I believe most NOMAD members don't either, but there will always be guys like Lobsterman
and their ilk.
Don't give them the satisfaction.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
As for your comment about me screwing my ex partner, you don't know anything except for the lies and half truths of one side. I can post the entire
story with actual written and legal proof... |
Contraproductivo-- if you have a clean conscience, there's no need to defend yourself against that sort of attack.  |
I havent in over 3 yrs, and i wont, even do its hard to see so many lies and not respond to them, but i am better than that.
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jbcoug
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Gnu,
What the heck were you trying to say? After tumbling through that whole convoluted lot, I'm not even sure what topic you were writing about. Boil
that down to under a hundred words and have it make a point.
John
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gnukid
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There is a direct parallel to teachers (civilians) in Mexico being targeted to teachers in Laos or Afghanistan or Iraq being targeted. Drug trade has
a long and consistent path, drugs are not run by some random person in a van delivering billions of dollars of drugs and weapons cache.
This is systematic, long running, super profitable and destructive behavior by identifiable people that each Nomad should be aware of through reading
the paper. Unfortunately, it seems most here prefer to live in denial of the world around them, with a pollyanna view of the industrial complexes that
distribute weapons, drugs and launder money for the benefit of very few at the cost of the rest of us.
Has anyone every heard of the East India Company, it is no different today than in history?
In any case, whatever your interpretation, beating each other up here is of little value while considering the true culprits who are identified is far
more productive.
At least if you choose to mouth off here you could do your homework.
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wessongroup
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Yep... and almost 90% of the smack comes from Afghanistan ... or maybe Burma is going to try for a come back..
And Gee, how many folks we got over there... and we can't do anything ... for how many years.,.. what's that, coming up on a decade... WOW
Ah ... gnu.. just think, if there had NOT been an East India Trading Company.. we wouldn't have had Tyrone Power in Lives of a Bengal Lancer... just
saying ...  not forgetting Shirley Temple among many others...
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MrBillM
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Shirley Temple ?
As a Bengal Lancer ?
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805gregg
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I didn't mean this to turn into a big drama, what happens in one part of Mexico, can and probably will happen in other areas, just a heads up. I
thought the best part was that the chief of Police said it was happening because the people didn't trust the police, I wonder why? If your invested in
Baja, home, business, etc I could see why you would not want this to happen, will your wish make it true?
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
As a Bengal Lancer ? |
Was thinking of movies who used Mt Whitney as a back drop for the Kyber Pass ...
Think it was Wee Willie Winkie
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slimshady
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I think they call those Unions here in the States.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
There is a direct parallel to teachers (civilians) in Mexico being targeted to teachers in Laos or Afghanistan or Iraq being targeted. Drug trade has
a long and consistent path, drugs are not run by some random person in a van delivering billions of dollars of drugs and weapons cache.
This is systematic, long running, super profitable and destructive behavior by identifiable people that each Nomad should be aware of through reading
the paper. Unfortunately, it seems most here prefer to live in denial of the world around them, with a pollyanna view of the industrial complexes that
distribute weapons, drugs and launder money for the benefit of very few at the cost of the rest of us.
Has anyone every heard of the East India Company, it is no different today than in history?
In any case, whatever your interpretation, beating each other up here is of little value while considering the true culprits who are identified is far
more productive.
At least if you choose to mouth off here you could do your homework. |
Well said 
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Woooosh
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You win Jesse. In Tijuana they are making the children pay to get home safely and are leaving the teachers alone. better?
http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/3772_cobran_d...
Charge "dues" to students:
TIJUANA BC 15 SEPTEMBER 2011 (AFN) .- Rogelio Gudino Alejandro Valenzuela General Secretary of SNTE Section 2 of the reported cases that are occurring
collection of "dues" to students in some schools in the city, which already have been detected.
In an interview with News Agency Tijuana Border, the teachers union representative specifically said they found two schools where education:
Secondary School No. 42 and No. 45, one located in the Pan American colony and the other to the East of the city.
According to him, for dismissal of the schools mentioned in the evening shifts, students are victims of vandals who require them to pay a "fee" to
leave school safely and reach their homes.
The interviewee said that this is a serious problem that adds to the acts of violence that have occurred on this border and that have affected the
population. He did know that already filing complaints and expect prompt action of the authorities.
The Secretary General of Section 2 of the teachers felt that should be taken to avoid cases of this nature, and others that lead to preserve the
integrity of students, such as "Operation Backpack" to detect if some children, teenagers or youth are prohibited or drugs in their belongings.
It also considered vital to work in coordination with parents and that they are directly involved in the education of their children, and reiterated
that the family "is the core of our society."
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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Jeeeezo....that is so freakin' sick. It's a criminal's world out here.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Jeeeezo....that is so freakin' sick. It's a criminal's world out here. |
Well maybe it's for the best. The younger Mexican children accept the corruption and learn to pay a mordida the better they will do in their society
when they grow up to be corrupt officials.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The younger Mexican children accept the corruption and learn to pay a mordida the better they will do in their society when they grow up to be
corrupt officials. |
Ohhhlordy..........well, they won't all be in the government...I hope.
What are they squeezing from these kids? Their lunch money?
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