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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by QuesoBueno
| Quote: | Originally posted by lovethebaja
It is widely known that two of the intruders were two of the police assigned to San Juanico. These are the same police that have been extorting money
from campers and doing nothing about a recent robbery spree by a town resident known to all.
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Now that the bad guys turn out to be cartel types from Cd. Ins., are the foreigners who have publicly accused the local cops of doing it going to
apologize?? Retract the statement? Even if the local cops are dirty in their small town way.
And is anyone asking the question why is a drug cartel interested in threatening this American? This was not a random assault. This is not local
cops asking for gas money and being turned down then retaliating.
Read the ZETA article from Oct 10 to get a better idea of who these people are and what they are involved in. This mornings note in Surfline refers
to this article.
Perhaps the foreigner who was assaulted is not so innocent. I feel sorry for the others who have gathered around him in the news photos based on the
incorrect information that this was an assault by the local cops because he spoke out against local harrasment. The cartels could not care less about
something at this level. I think we are ignorant or naive to not believe there is something bigger and fishier surrounding the assault.
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I think we must also accept that the cartels are the defacto government. They have paid their admission in bribes and will exercise their power
without fear of reprisals.
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Using Woooosh's logic. The city of San Diego is now run by criminals and Americans aren't safe in San Diego. Of course if I had time I could pull
stories from all over America, and make American sound so dangerous.
Four Highway Shootings Reported in San Diego:
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Shots-Fired-at-Passing...
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Roberto
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Is Joe allowed out of OT unsupervised? Just askin'?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Is Joe allowed out of OT unsupervised? Just askin'? |
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\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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lovethebaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
If you notice the member that brought us the story is a newbie with two posts under their belt. Another obvious troll hiding behind a second handle,
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nope not a troll. Actually I spend about 6 months a year in Baja and visit this website to get the latest info before each trip. I read this story on
scorpionbay.net and cut & pasted it here, thinking if anyone would know what to do in this situation it would be the Nomads. (the person who wrote
to letter was obviously looking for help)
I think very highly of most of the people who post on this board. I was just trying to help. I love Baja & the people there and was very concerned
since San Juanico is probably my favorite place in the world.
[Edited on 10-12-2011 by BajaNomad]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lovethebaja
nope not a troll. |
Hey, Bro Nomad....don't pay any attention to ShmoJustShmo. He's just here to cause turmoil.
Actually....if he sends you a PM asking for your used toilet paper, don't respond. He likes to eat that stuff. It gives him hope.
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[Edited on 10-12-2011 by DENNIS]
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jakecard
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Quotation marks in the original post would have gone a long way. I thought you were CP writing under a new alias.
Nomads are certainly willing to help, we all know that. But we don't know exactly how, or even in fact whether Mr. Lange wants Nomad help.
There is a limit on what can be accomplished here without his clear input.
Jake
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redmesa
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I hate this B S. What is what here?
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Roberto
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Joe, aren't you fluent in Spanish? Did you read the Zeta article, or is that an online blog that should be taken with a grain of salt?
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Joe, aren't you fluent in Spanish? Did you read the Zeta article, or is that an online blog that should be taken with a grain of salt?
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Yes I speak Spanish, and it just so happens I did read "Zeta" today, but I only read the two articles on Capella and the negative piece of Bustamante
for hiring Capella. But those are the only articles that interested me.
Did they have a story about the San Juanico incident? Stories a few hundred miles away like that don't interest me too much because that would be
like reading a paper crime blotter in Redding California or some place like that in the distance. This story just doesn't interest me that much and I
probably wouldn't even comment on it, except given the fact that I'm interested in these second handles who come onto "BN" with these scary stories.
Besides I only said take these stories with a grain a salt, especially when they are coming from a member hiding behind a second handle on "BN'. It's
good you can corroborate a story with a newspaper article, but still that doesn't mean it's always accurate.
If I want to read about police corruption I rather read about what's going on in Fullerton with those two rogue cops that murdered that poor mentally
ill man, and since that incident other incidents are coming out of the woodwork including rape of female citizens and other cover-ups where the mayor
and chief of police do nothing about it. ( and no I'm not scared to visit Fullerton either)
Now the story about the gringo 17 year old tourist in Tijuana who got shaken down by two corrupt TJ cops in the tourist area of TJ did interest me,
and I do have an opinion on that. The kid had on a fanny pack( big no no unless you want to attract corrupt cops or gang bang muggers) The cops found
a pipe on the kid and said it had marijuana residue and they said they were going to take him before the judge but if the kids gives them 1000 pesos
he would let him walk, and they took him to the bank's ATM, but the bank's manager called the 066 and alerted the police, and the two were busted. The
new TJ chief of police talked all this BS how he is shocked and saddened by the news of TJ cops being disloyal to the principles of honesty and
integrity, and how he won't stand for corruption. ( give me a break) I don't like corrupt cops on both sides of the border, but I would have kicked
that 17 year old kid in the butt with his marijuana pipe and fanny pack.
Roberto do you read "Zeta? I don't read "Zeta" that much. I think it's a good online magazine news sources, but they are bias just like other news
outlets. I didn't like the hatchet job they did on Hank Rhon, although Rhon may be the corrupt narco many people say he is. The way the military
infringed on Rhon's Mexican constitutional rights was clearly unconstitutional, yet "Zeta" said nothing about that.
Woooosh is always parroting that every cop in Rosarito Beach is corrupt and he makes it sound like gospel because he claims "Zeta" says so. It's very
doubtful that "Zeta" knows for sure every cop in dirty in Rosarito Beach.
And so "Zeta" should be taken with a grain of salt too, because they often become overzealous.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Joe, aren't you fluent in Spanish? Did you read the Zeta article, or is that an online blog that should be taken with a grain of salt?
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I would have kicked that 17 year old kid in the butt with his marijuana pipe and fanny pack.
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possession of less than 6 grams of pot and the pipe is not a crime in Mexico.
http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/19766/Baja-fires-chief-d...
"Only 19 out of 100 assaults, extortion and auto thefts are reported to the authorities at the state level, the study showed. In Tijuana, where half
the state’s population lives, the number of people reporting a crime increased to 26 out of
100 crimes. The majority, however, considered filing an official report a waste of time or did not trust authorities, Inegi said. "
[Edited on 10-13-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
possession of less than 6 grams of pot and the pipe is not a crime in Mexico.
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For everybody??
I don't think so. It would be foolish for a Gringo tourist to test that one. They would soon realize the high price of innocence.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
My best advice is to live quietly and accept things the way they are...or go back to the US....obviously being vocal about something that you will
never change especially coming from a gringo will get you seriously hurt or worse..Look what happens to newly elected police chiefs that are Mexican
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Sorry that I am late for dinner here folks...and reading this post.
ARE YOU NUTZ?
To lay back and whimper in the dark is absolutely not the thing to do. Bad people are bad people...in any country. To let them get away with
crime...to give them a free hand to do so....to look the other way....is pure foolish.
There are ways to fight the thugs.....quietly or outright in view. We all have the right not to be victimized by bad guys...no matter what country you
may be residing in. Show some guts and fight back.
I agree with DENNIS.....dont be a fool to carry a little bit of pot into Mexico.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
ARE YOU NUTZ?
To lay back and whimper in the dark is absolutely not the thing to do. Bad people are bad people...in any country. To let them get away with
crime...to give them a free hand to do so....to look the other way....is pure foolish.
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I don't know, Deno. Each situation can be different down here. In the states, it's automatic. Call the authorities.
Here, the authorities are not the same as in the states. In fact, this case has the authorities commiting the crime. Why would anyone be so foolish
to call on a brotherhood of thieves and thugs to prosecute one of their own? It won't happen. In fact, it will only serve to worsen your problem, and
the next time, they may not be so delicate.
If the victim has in the past denied the reality that many police are bad, they will have neglected to train their senses to discern what is
happening at the moment. They can't tell a real cop from a fraud. They wouldn't know where to look for the clues.
He is also the fool who tells himself that all police are good and would be incapable of an atrocious crime against a citizen.
This is a different world with different rules and different players.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
ARE YOU NUTZ?
To lay back and whimper in the dark is absolutely not the thing to do. Bad people are bad people...in any country. To let them get away with
crime...to give them a free hand to do so....to look the other way....is pure foolish.
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I don't know, Deno. Each situation can be different down here. In the states, it's automatic. Call the authorities.
Here, the authorities are not the same as in the states. In fact, this case has the authorities commiting the crime. Why would anyone be so foolish
to call on a brotherhood of thieves and thugs to prosecute one of their own? It won't happen. In fact, it will only serve to worsen your problem, and
the next time, they may not be so delicate.
If the victim has in the past denied the reality that many police are bad, they will have neglected to train their senses to discern what is
happening at the moment. They can't tell a real cop from a fraud. They wouldn't know where to look for the clues.
He is also the fool who tells himself that all police are good and would be incapable of an atrocious crime against a citizen.
This is a different world with different rules and different players. |
Agree DENNIS......but as I said "There are ways to fight the thugs.....quietly or outright in view".
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
ARE YOU NUTZ?
To lay back and whimper in the dark is absolutely not the thing to do. Bad people are bad people...in any country. To let them get away with
crime...to give them a free hand to do so....to look the other way....is pure foolish.
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I don't know, Deno. Each situation can be different down here. In the states, it's automatic. Call the authorities.
Here, the authorities are not the same as in the states. In fact, this case has the authorities commiting the crime. Why would anyone be so foolish
to call on a brotherhood of thieves and thugs to prosecute one of their own? It won't happen. In fact, it will only serve to worsen your problem, and
the next time, they may not be so delicate.
If the victim has in the past denied the reality that many police are bad, they will have neglected to train their senses to discern what is
happening at the moment. They can't tell a real cop from a fraud. They wouldn't know where to look for the clues.
He is also the fool who tells himself that all police are good and would be incapable of an atrocious crime against a citizen.
This is a different world with different rules and different players. |
Agree DENNIS......but as I said "There are ways to fight the thugs.....quietly or outright in view". |
You really can't do it effectively or safely. The next level would be to go to through the justice and judicial system- which clearly most Mexicans
feel is a waste of time. They will go to authorities for smaller domestic-issue stuff- but there is a line that few would cross. You can't go to City
hall either. The only way to win is to play their game and their game is to get the job done through a connection backed up with some serious cash.
No one that comes to Mexico to retire in peace plays that game for long. You can't win it as a gringo- they will eat you up and spit you out.
Mexicans need to clean their own neighborhoods. Mexicans are going through the same thing too. It is their problem to fix and it will be a sloppy
repair at best in our lifetimes.
If the economic crisis in the USA took a decade of potential from America's young people, the narco crisis in Mexico took two from them. So far (for
both)... jmho
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
possession of less than 6 grams of pot and the pipe is not a crime in Mexico.
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For everybody??
I don't think so. It would be foolish for a Gringo tourist to test that one. They would soon realize the high price of innocence.
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I think if you get caught you still have to go the jail and have it documented. After three strikes there is a mandatory rehab. Not sure if that is
for Mexicans only.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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bajaguy
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There are ways to fight back and there are ways to win......watch carefully, plan completely, strike swiftly......remember, Who Dares, Wins*.
Do not ever, ever give up.......
Or hire the Seven Samurai........
*motto of the British SAS
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Cypress
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Speculations? And who will win?
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Speculations? And who will win? |
If done correctly, the good guys
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by bajaguyremember, Who Dares, Wins |
In Mexico it's: Who Scams, Wins. "el que no transa no avanza"
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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