| Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6 |
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64857
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
Which reminds me, it was an American, Ed Tabor who put Loreto on the so called "sportfishing map" back in the 1950's......... |
Ohh yeah. The Flying Sportsman Lodge. Knew it well. |
My dad's first trips to Loreto were on Ed Tabor's DC-3 and great stays at the Flying Sportsman Lodge.
Aero Mexico (the government run airline) took away his permit to fly passengers to Loreto or his newer Magdalena Bay Village resort... pretty much
killed Ed's business. We stayed at the 'newly added' RV Park next to the Lodge on our 1976 trip... The Flying Sportsman Lodge didn't last much long
after...
|
|
|
CaboRon
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3401
Registered: 3-24-2007
Location: The Valley of the Moon
Member Is Offline
Mood: Peacefull
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Puckdrop
I fully support the local authorities to prosecute! If it's illegal, |
Truth is, if the authorities down there are anything like those up here, nothing will be done about it. They'll threaten and bluster, but won't do
squat. They don't like to make moves that bring to mind the illegal work activity going on by Mexicans in the states.
Nothing new. |
|
|
|
CaboRon
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3401
Registered: 3-24-2007
Location: The Valley of the Moon
Member Is Offline
Mood: Peacefull
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
i say Mexico has been extremely good to foreign companies. |
Except for when Mexico nationalized all the banks in 1982. And except for when Mexico expropriated and nationalized all the oil in 1938. Other than
that, Mexico has been extremely good. Oh yeah, and except for those restrictive real estate laws that prevent foreigners from owning real estate
outright in the prohibited zone. But other than those three things, Mexico has been extremely good.
Oh yeah, foreigners cannot own transportation companies, electric utilities, communication by satellite, railroads and radio and television stations.
But, other than all that, Mexico has been extremely good. |
Thank you for clearing that up ... those thoughts are what was going through my mind.
|
|
|
CaboRon
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3401
Registered: 3-24-2007
Location: The Valley of the Moon
Member Is Offline
Mood: Peacefull
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Islandbuilder
| Quote: | Originally posted by Chupa
Island builder:
You live in Washington and run a business in Alaska . . . That's part of the problem.
Taking the profits out of state. Be better if you lived and worked in Alaska.
That's from the Alaskan to outsider point of view. |
Profits!!
I think we do better than most outside companies, our guests spend a couple of nights in hotels coming and going, we do all of our provisioning and
fueling in state, and hire several locals as shore support. Plus, all of our crew essentially lives in state for the summer, just like you, given that
you show a Baja winter residence. |
What a joke ... you ARE an outside company in Alaska 
|
|
|
Mula
Super Nomad
Posts: 1655
Registered: 8-16-2011
Location: San Nicolas y Lopez Mateos
Member Is Offline
|
|
Baja is not a winter residence for me. I have lived here full time for 5 years.
|
|
|
Woooosh
Banned
Posts: 5240
Registered: 1-28-2007
Location: Rosarito Beach
Member Is Offline
Mood: Luminescent Waves at Rosarito Beach
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
all but one Mexican bank is foreign owned, construction firms, hotel chains, cel phone companies, all foreign, i say Mexico has been extremely good to
foreign companies. |
There's a big difference between a foreign company operating in Mexico and a Mexican company owned by a foreigner.
Guess which wheel can afford the grease. |
The one with the money laundering operation?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
|
|
|
Woooosh
Banned
Posts: 5240
Registered: 1-28-2007
Location: Rosarito Beach
Member Is Offline
Mood: Luminescent Waves at Rosarito Beach
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
it really is a touchy issue and perhaps if there were more tourists, it might be a moot point. |
Why should foreigners who work legally be penalized because tourism has gone to hell 
The market will decide who survives in any industry. |
That assumes a level playing field.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
|
|
|
DENNIS
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 29510
Registered: 9-2-2006
Location: Punta Banda
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
That assumes a level playing field. |
Not on my part. Been here too long to ever assume anything like that.
My question was rhetorical.
|
|
|
Islandbuilder
Senior Nomad
Posts: 555
Registered: 11-9-2011
Location: nob
Member Is Offline
Mood: bewildered
|
|
We seem to be mixing legal gringo sportfishing guides and hospitality business owners and those who are doing the same stuff illegally (without
permits).
I assume that the locals don't differentiate between those of us North Americans who are conducting legal permitted businesses and those who aren't.
I would suggest that those LEGAL gringos act proactively to form a charter boat group, and then act as a group against all illegal businesses, gringo
or local.
Same in the hospitality business end.
I don't live there, but have some small experience in a similar situation (see the local vs non-local point made above).
As more of us are needing to figure out some sort of working retirement, more will be finding ways to make some additional money out of our home or
fishing passion. Unless we do it "by the book" it is certainly going to cause strife with our neighbors.
|
|
|
Mengano
Banned
Posts: 1238
Registered: 9-26-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Islandbuilder
I assume that the locals don't differentiate between those of us North Americans who are conducting legal permitted businesses and those who aren't.
|
There is no way to enforce it. The gringos rent their homes over the internet and get paid by the renters in the US and collect no money in Mexico. It
is even debatable whether that is illegal in Mexico. You can rent a car in San Diego and, with permission, drive it into Mexico for a vacation. The
car rental company does not need a Mexican business license not does it report its rent to Mexico. Sharing gas expenses on somebody's boat does not
require a Mexican license any more than splitting a restaurant bill between two couple dining together requires a license.
If the Mexicans want to compete with that, they need to beat the gringos on price and services. Something they cannot, or will not do. These tourists
are no so dumb. If they can have a vacation cheaper by staying at a hotel in Loreto and with equal or better amenities and services, they will spend
their money there.
The entire Mexican business system is built on a foundation of limited competition and crony capitalism. They cannot compete head-to-head without
their built-in protectionism.
|
|
|
Cypress
Elite Nomad
Posts: 7641
Registered: 3-12-2006
Location: on the bayou
Member Is Offline
Mood: undecided
|
|
Somebody throw in a little cheese with that big "Whine". What a big
bunch of cry babies! A gringo takes friends fishing, lets 'em stay at their house, cooks dinner for 'em. Get a rope and hang 'em, deport 'em. Good
grief!! What a crock of BS! Must be hard times for the "rip' off the tourist" crowd.
|
|
|
Loretana
Senior Nomad
Posts: 825
Registered: 5-19-2006
Location: Oregon/Loreto
Member Is Offline
Mood: alegre
|
|
Originally posted by Islandbuilder
"I would suggest that those LEGAL gringos act proactively to form a charter boat group, and then act as a group against all illegal businesses, gringo
or local."
BAD IDEA. Especially here in Loreto.
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
|
|
|
Islandbuilder
Senior Nomad
Posts: 555
Registered: 11-9-2011
Location: nob
Member Is Offline
Mood: bewildered
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
Originally posted by Islandbuilder
"I would suggest that those LEGAL gringos act proactively to form a charter boat group, and then act as a group against all illegal businesses, gringo
or local."
BAD IDEA. Especially here in Loreto. |
Yeah, I thought that it might be. I forgot to take my Rose Colored glasses off before I posted.
|
|
|
805gregg
Super Nomad
Posts: 1344
Registered: 5-21-2006
Location: Ojai, Ca
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
[#3 ...Why does someone need a receipt for a meal in La Bocana? Trying to write pleasure off as business????
|
It's not a matter of customer need. It's a matter of the business being required by law to give a receipt. Keeps them honest in Hacienda's eyes.
|
Isn't honest in Mexico an oxymarooon? The locals should be glad someone is showing up at all, they will be spending money all over.
[Edited on 11-20-2011 by 805gregg]
[Edited on 11-20-2011 by 805gregg]
[Edited on 11-20-2011 by BajaNomad]
|
|
|
Loretana
Senior Nomad
Posts: 825
Registered: 5-19-2006
Location: Oregon/Loreto
Member Is Offline
Mood: alegre
|
|
Let's give the Loreto Hotelero Association and the Fishing Cooperativa/Pangeros a break here, folks.
Yes, they are a bunch of whiners, and it seems awfully childish that they are moaning that gringos are pulling into the Marina and launching their
Triumphs, Skipjacks and Grady Whites and taking their "buddies" out fishing.......those same buddies who are populating their luxury homes north and
south of town and all that money that is changing hands in the US......
Excuse me, but wouldn't you (if you were a Loretano who owns a panga and waits at the Marina daily to see if just maybe, some guys want to head out
with YOU to fish), maybe you might feel a bit peeed about these rich Norteamericanos with their lanchas and houses, etc??
Hey, I'm all for free enterprise, but I speak the language, and I overhear what the boys down at the Darsena are saying.
Just my two cents. 
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
|
|
|
Loretana
Senior Nomad
Posts: 825
Registered: 5-19-2006
Location: Oregon/Loreto
Member Is Offline
Mood: alegre
|
|
My Secret Weapon....
Jose Luis Mayoral Barreno
By far, the most sucessful and intense gentleman I have ever fished with, short of, and including my husband.....who is a great bluewater fisherman!
In short, it does pay to fish with the local boys.
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
|
|
|
Paula
Super Nomad
Posts: 2219
Registered: 1-5-2006
Location: Loreto
Member Is Offline
|
|
Exactly my thoughts and feelings about this amiga Loretana!
Edit: my thoughts on BOTH posts! We go out with a few oldtimers down here from time to time-- always a great experience!
[Edited on 11-20-2011 by Paula]
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 18398
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
Spanish first, then English:
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2309373.htm
Loreto, Baja California Sur.- Prestadores de servicios turísticos están pidiendo al Instituto Nacional de Migración (INM) que se haga algo para
detener la competencia desleal de extranjeros y no sigan desplazando a los lancheros y hoteleros locales con la renta de sus botes y casas de forma
irregular.
En entrevistado en la dársena del malecón, los prestadores de servicios señalaron que la peor crisis que pueden enfrentar es la apatía de las
autoridades para ponerle un freno a la evasión de impuestos de muchos extranjeros que vienen a hacer negocio en México.
Mientras nuestros hoteles están vacíos y nuestras pangas no salen por falta de turismo, los gringos y canadienses vienen ya organizados y traen
clientes argumentando que son sus amigos o familiares, cuando todos sabemos que hay un negocio de por medio, denunciaron.
Es increíble que las autoridades no puedan hacer algo porque no tienen pruebas, cuando en internet se oferta una gran cantidad de servicios
turísticos.
Hay "gringos" que se dan el lujo de recoger a sus clientes en el aeropuerto, los hospedan en sus casas, les rentan lanchas, motos, carros y hasta
bicicletas, les ofrecen cocina y alacenas llenas de artículos estadounidenses, lo cual provoca que los loretanos cada vez tengan menos trabajo a pesar
de que sí arriban turistas.
A partir de octubre, cientos de extranjeros jubilados empiezan a llegar a Loreto y muchos no vienen sólo a descansar, vienen a trabajar, robándole las
oportunidades a los locales sin la mínima actuación de las autoridades, afirmaron.
Providers of tourist services are asking the National Immigration Institute (INM) to do something to stop the unfair competition by foreigners and to
stop them from displacing the boat and hotel operators with the illegal renting of their boats and homes.
In an interview at the waterfront malecón, the service providers said the worst crisis they have to face is the apathy of the authorities to stop the
tax evasion of many foreigners who come to do business in Mexico.
Meanwhile, our hotels are empty and our pangas do not sail for the lack of tourism. The Gringos and Canadians come here very well organized and bring
clients, while saying they are just friends or family, when we well know they are doing business.
It is incredible that the authorities cannot do anything because the have no proof, when on the internet they are offering a large number of tourist
services.
There are "Gringos" who even pick up their clients at the airport, they house them in their homes, they rent them boats, motorcycles, cars and even
bicycles. They offer them kitchens full of American food items, which means the people of Loreto have less work each time even though tourists are
arriving.
Starting in October, hundreds of retired tourists start to arrive in Loreto and many arrive not just to rest, they come to work, stealing the
opportunities from the locals without the slightest action by the authorities. |
fulano:
why did you post this without revealing that you are (or were) one of the offending gringos? did you file proper tax returns in USA and mexico did
you declare income?
|
|
|
Hook
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9010
Registered: 3-13-2004
Location: Sonora
Member Is Offline
Mood: Inquisitive
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
Let's give the Loreto Hotelero Association and the Fishing Cooperativa/Pangeros a break here, folks.
Yes, they are a bunch of whiners, and it seems awfully childish that they are moaning that gringos are pulling into the Marina and launching their
Triumphs, Skipjacks and Grady Whites and taking their "buddies" out fishing.......those same buddies who are populating their luxury homes north and
south of town and all that money that is changing hands in the US......
Excuse me, but wouldn't you (if you were a Loretano who owns a panga and waits at the Marina daily to see if just maybe, some guys want to head out
with YOU to fish), maybe you might feel a bit peeed about these rich Norteamericanos with their lanchas and houses, etc?? |
No, I wouldnt. That's petty envy.
What, rich MEXICANS dont launch THEIR boats and take THEIR friends out, free of charge?
Maybe they'd like Mexico to pass a law that says you cant take your friends out on your boat with you?? This is not that far-fetched when you consider
that friends helping you build your house is said to be illegal, too.
You seem to be saying this is about envy, rather than anything illegal. And I concur. Envy, that is surfacing in hard times.
Well, they can thank their own government for conditions that were so succinctly put above. Conditions of limited competition and cronyism that
prevents a more viable middle class from forming AND keeps the cost of goods comparatively high.
Instead they wanna blame gringos, as usual.................
Where WOULD Loreto be today without gringo dollars????
[Edited on 11-20-2011 by Hook]
|
|
|
DENNIS
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 29510
Registered: 9-2-2006
Location: Punta Banda
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
Excuse me, but wouldn't you (if you were a Loretano who owns a panga and waits at the Marina daily to see if just maybe, some guys want to head out
with YOU to fish), maybe you might feel a bit peeed about these rich Norteamericanos with their lanchas and houses, etc??
|
And...where is all the outrage for the small TIENDA owners when WalMart comes to town?
I empathize with you, Loretana, but feel your outrage is selective....and misplaced.
The Panga fleet may have to be a bit creative....like go commercial to generate an income.
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
