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Lee
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this is a pretty serious charge, without anything specific to back it up. and adding a specific drug name, when the person stated that he felt
'drugged,' is a real stretch.
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For some people, the above is true. In a situation like this, one person feeling drugged may or may not have happened. Maybe a virus or
something. Two people -- something probably happened. Maybe a drink spiked.
Not sure if these gringoes didn't have an attitude, or again, whether the bartender didn't have an attitude.
Having a drink spiked is not a stretch, anywhere. It happens.
I'd believe the people involved. If they think this happened, it probably happened. A reaction within 5-15 minutes is a sign that something
happened.
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Bajamatic
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
this is a pretty serious charge, without anything specific to back it up. and adding a specific drug name, when the person stated that he felt
'drugged,' is a real stretch. I can't say the restaurant is my favorite, but I've eaten there without any problems and wouldn't hesitate to go there
again, especially if I brought my own fish (they do a great job with preparation).
and in answer to the original question, no, I've never heard of anything like this happening in Loreto.
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A reputable and honest source with no prejudice reported to me that he suspects he was "roofied" at this place. He isn't making any formal charges
but he suspects this to be true and he left before he could find out for sure. Being a very close friend of mine and a trustworthy source of
information I felt like my fellow nomads deserved to hear of the report. There is no way to prove it, and there will never be. My intent here is
solely to put nomad travelers on alert. Best case scenario is that people like you, who know and respect the place will defend it and continue to
frequent the restaurant. Worst case scenario, the guy does it again and someone gets robbed (or worse). It's a bit of a catch 22 because the last
thing I want to do is hurt an innocent person, but if it IS true, and I have the chance to help someone avoid a potential nightmare, then that's a
risk I'm willing to take given my sources. I have the name of the cab driver, and his phone number and a detailed description of the server at the
restaurant. But I have ZERO intentions of publishing that information because as you stated, its not fair to prosecute these people without cold hard
proof. Is it possible that this was an effect of something else? Dehydration? Fatigue? Yes. There are a lot of possibilities (unless you ask my
friend). So do with this info what you want. Its a warning flag - be aware. Nothing further.
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805gregg
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Getting drugged is not too bad, on the mainland if they don't like you they cut off your head, over 60 in the past week.
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WideAngleWandering
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If you trust your friend then you should really reconsider and post the rest of the (relevant) facts.
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If I were anywhere near Loreto I would be tempted to go to tio lupe's tell a loud tale. Part truth, part fantasy so everyone could hear, even the
bartender.
"I heard of a case where a bar in Juarez served their clientes c-ckteles y cerveza that was drugged. Finally one gringo went to la clinica and they
drew blood. They found a drug in the turista's blood. They all went to El Ministero Público. The bar is now closed and el dueño is in el reclusório."
Even though the denúnciacion is clearly implied.
A person could not get hassled by the cops for spreading rumors about a business in México. That is a serious crime that could get a tourist booted
out of México.
Even an idiot would pick up on this instantly and know the jig-was-up. Totally, absolutely, and forever. The part about going to prison is no
exaggeration. If anything it is subdued. The ministerio publico would not screw around for 10 seconds if the Sector Salud was involved in the
accusation.
But tact is needed when telling such a story. It should be a story about "A Bar In Juarez" and nothing else. No giggles, no rolling of eyes, no
eyebrow signals to the bartender or waiter. It must be told to others at a table. Loudly with bastante español used to make it clearly understandable.
This is the Méxicano way of fixing this problem and I damned well guarantee it will work if done correctly.
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A bartender once told me he spiked drinks with eye drops if he didn't like someone.
:-)
It creates a Flu like sickness within 15 minutes. Many Bars/Clubs use this to rid the problem drunk. Faster...quieter...that calling the cops.
When the cops come marching into a Club.....patrons run out. Money loss...reputation loss.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
Rude service and a drug reaction might mean a drink was spiked. GHB (liquid x), ketamine (animal tranq) could have rapid onset. Maybe someone
didn't like gringoes assuming these were gringoes.
Roofies are mellow and still available in Baja. Doesn't sound like this.
A bartender once told me he spiked drinks with eye drops if he didn't like someone. Think the outcome was diarrhea or GI problems.
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Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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WideAngleWandering
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That visine stuff is a dangerous heap of bullchit.
It will not get an obnoxious patron of your bar or cause a harmless prank. If you use enough, it can be extremely dangerous, even deadly.
http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/visine.asp
Please don't repeat that rumor without including the rest of the story (i.e. you might kill someone).
(edit: the word puckey is not in my vocabulary. effing censorware)
[Edited on 2012-5-16 by WideAngleWandering]
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no matter what the details, this serves as a heads up and I for one, am astounded ....
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamatic
| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
this is a pretty serious charge, without anything specific to back it up. and adding a specific drug name, when the person stated that he felt
'drugged,' is a real stretch. I can't say the restaurant is my favorite, but I've eaten there without any problems and wouldn't hesitate to go there
again, especially if I brought my own fish (they do a great job with preparation).
and in answer to the original question, no, I've never heard of anything like this happening in Loreto.
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A reputable and honest source with no prejudice reported to me that he suspects he was "roofied" at this place. He isn't making any formal charges
but he suspects this to be true and he left before he could find out for sure. Being a very close friend of mine and a trustworthy source of
information I felt like my fellow nomads deserved to hear of the report. There is no way to prove it, and there will never be. My intent here is
solely to put nomad travelers on alert. Best case scenario is that people like you, who know and respect the place will defend it and continue to
frequent the restaurant. Worst case scenario, the guy does it again and someone gets robbed (or worse). It's a bit of a catch 22 because the last
thing I want to do is hurt an innocent person, but if it IS true, and I have the chance to help someone avoid a potential nightmare, then that's a
risk I'm willing to take given my sources. I have the name of the cab driver, and his phone number and a detailed description of the server at the
restaurant. But I have ZERO intentions of publishing that information because as you stated, its not fair to prosecute these people without cold hard
proof. Is it possible that this was an effect of something else? Dehydration? Fatigue? Yes. There are a lot of possibilities (unless you ask my
friend). So do with this info what you want. Its a warning flag - be aware. Nothing further. |
There are over 7,000 members on Bajanomad. We are not a small community of friends, but a large anonymous group of people, most of whom have never
met one another. While I don't wish to question Bajamatic's credibility or motive, or that of his unnamed friends'---- I haven't a clue as to who he
is, who he knows, what he thinks or how he operates. But I have been coming to Loreto since 2001, and have lived here for about 8 years. I've eaten
at Tio Lupe's a few times, it isn't my favorite restaurant, but I have never been treated badly there, and have never heard anything more negative
than that the food just isn't that good. And many folks here like it just fine.
I find it distressing that the majority of contributors to this conversation have assumed the story to be true and accurate, and are participating in
the slander of a long-time business, and by implication a whole town that is suffering greatly from poor economic conditions-- based solely on
hearsay.
[Edited on 5-16-2012 by Paula]
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamatic
Ok so a my friend Ed wanted me to wait until he was airborne to tell the story. He's airborne, so here it is:
Ed and his girldfriend went out for some yellows out of Loreto yesterday afternoon. It was a little slow, but they bagged a nice sized fish and after
they returned to town they hopped into a cab (they were staying at the Inn) and asked to stop for some food on the way out. The cabbie drove them to
Tio Lupe's. They were the only one's there. Someone dropped menus at their table and walked off. The guy returned a few minutes later and asked in
Spanish what they wanted to eat. Ed replied in English. The guy then rudely huffed and said, "Oh - you are Americans". He snatched the menus and
walked away. Ed was confused why the menus were taken away and so they waited for a few minutes until the guy came back, no menus in hand. "It's
fine" he said "We don't really need menus - we'll take 4 tacos and 2 beers". The beers took at least ten minutes. The guy set the beers down and
walked away. After 2-3 minutes and a few sips of beer, Ed started to feel a heavy onset of what he described as a clear reaction to some kind of
drug. He asked his girlfriend if she felt ok and she said she felt like she was tanked all of a sudden. He agreed - they were all of a sudden
bombed. Frightened, they asked for the food to go, but the guy now encouraged them to stay. Ed wasn't having it. They walked outside and looked for
the cabbie, who asked why they were leaving so soon. He also encouraged them to go back. They refused to go back inside and left without the food
they paid for and went straight back to their hotel room and vomited and locked themselves in their room fearing the cabbie would try to break in and
rob them.
They're home safe now.
So there's the story. It's the second time I've heard of this happening, the first being a nomad thread about two guys in a bar in la paz, and I
recall that those guys ended up being "robbed" by the bar tender and got police involved and it sounded like a big mess. I'm glad Ed had the
wherewithal to get the hell out of there, even if what they think happened didn't actually happen. Stay Alert, Stay Alive. |
| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
I find it distressing that the majority of contributors to this conversation have assumed the story to be true and accurate, and are participating in
the slander of a long-time business, and by implication a whole town that is suffering greatly from poor economic conditions-- based solely on
hearsay.
[Edited on 5-16-2012 by Paula] |
I don't know Bajamatic but this story seems credible and entirely possible.
''After 2-3 minutes and a few sips of beer, Ed started to feel a heavy onset of what he described as a clear reaction to some kind of drug.''
Reads like a spiked drink. Doesn't read like slander.
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to tell the story or not?
damned if you do, damned if you don't
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paula
There are over 7,000 members on Bajanomad. We are not a small community of friends, but a large anonymous group of people, most of whom have never
met one another. While I don't wish to question Bajamatic's credibility or motive, or that of his unnamed friends'---- I haven't a clue as to who he
is, who he knows, what he thinks or how he operates. But I have been coming to Loreto since 2001, and have lived here for about 8 years. I've eaten
at Tio Lupe's a few times, it isn't my favorite restaurant, but I have never been treated badly there, and have never heard anything more negative
than that the food just isn't that good. And many folks here like it just fine.
I find it distressing that the majority of contributors to this conversation have assumed the story to be true and accurate, and are participating in
the slander of a long-time business, and by implication a whole town that is suffering greatly from poor economic conditions-- based solely on
hearsay.
[Edited on 5-16-2012 by Paula] |
illegal drugging in bars occurs in many places, all over the world. i see no reason to doubt the story. human nature is bad. people are rotten.
and workers in restaurants are at bottom of food chain. your desire to trust the locals at the bottom of the food chain because they are economically
suffering is foolish. poverty does not create saints, poverty breeds crime.
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Bajamatic
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This may not be a community of small friends, but its a community nonetheless, and we help each other. My post was intended as a heads up to nomads.
Maybe I should have changed my wording to say "a well-traveled family restaurant in Loreto". That way the we could prosecute everyone at once.
Better? No, I think not. I can only tell you what I've been told first hand. I was on the phone as soon as my friend made it to his taxi. He wanted
me to be on the phone in case they went off the intended path. He was scared. I've known this guy my entire life, and I've been to Baja with him on
several occasions. Had it been my mother calling, who firmly believes anyone who steps foot across the border winds hanging from an overpass, there
would never have been a report. But I believe him, and therefore feel it is a valid post because I believe that this board functions as an important
source of intel for people who want it. I have grown to depend on it, I have assisted others in need, and I have been helped in many ways by fellow
Nomads. So to be clear, this is not an assault on a business, this is a heads up to anyone who wants to know. Take it or leave it. Hopefully its a
one time event and it fades away into history and this place continues to satisfy (marginally it seems) its patrons. If not, then this thread may
help illuminate a bad seed.
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Either
A friend of ours had dinner at a popular place here last week and had 3 drinks in 2+ hours.
Started slurrring her words after the first (her companions stated) and remembers nothing from the 2nd drink or after serving dinner.
In and out of it on the ride home.
Went home and fell in their entry and busted up her face.
She was told that they were using "either" in the ice cubes so they don't melt as fast???
Anyone else hear of this new practice?
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http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/ether.html
"Diethyl ether is a colourless, extremely volatile liquid with a
characteristic smell. It is not an ideal anaesthetic, though it's
safer than chloroform and more effective than nitrous oxide. Unwanted
effects of exposure to ether can include a cough, sore throat, painful
red eyes, a headache, drowsiness, laboured breathing and nausea.
Vomiting is quite common."
I doubt there was ether in the ice....another urban myth????
Don't believe everything you think....
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First Paragraph changed after PM's with person involved...so leave this with whats below!
........continue to use common sense... and continue to enjoy all that Baja is...
Nuff said.
[Edited on 5-17-2012 by surfdoc]
[Edited on 5-18-2012 by surfdoc]
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Names changed to protect the innocent. And yeah - a good friend.
If he wants to come out and use his own name on the internet, he can. I don't. And I wouldn't want him to do that to me. The old "golden rule."
[Edited on 5-17-2012 by Bajamatic]
[Edited on 5-24-2012 by Bajamatic]
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Just knowing how depressed the tourism industry is in Loreto, and how difficult it is to buy restricted drugs in Loreto without a doctor's
prescription makes me question the motive of said "bartender".
Would a guy who makes bupkis! except his tips, from the tourists who really aren't showing up to tip him, risk dosing someone with an expensive
controlled substance? To what end?
The guy who isn't earning much would have to buy the alleged "rohypnol" and have it at the ready to slip a mickey to some random American tourist??
This scenario makes no sense to me.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by surfdoc
Pretty amazing that the "Friend" told this story..without so much fantastic detail on another website.
However over there in the first person he was Scott. But on this website...told by a GOOD firend.. this happened to Ed.
whatever........continue to use common sense... and continue to enjoy all that Baja is...
Nuff said.
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surfdoc.....I noticed that, too, when this same story was run up the flagpole on Bloodydecks. In addition to the name discrepancy in what purported
to be the first person account, on BD he did not catch a nice fish that day, but 8 yellowtails. In both accounts the victim and his girlfriend
engaged a cab to take them to Tio Lupes and then they kept that cab standing by while they went in for dinner. This, although there is a cab stand
less than a block away with several cabs on hand 24/7.
Tio Lupes, by the way, although not my favorite restaurant, is a respectable family restaurant that caters to Mexicans, foreign residents, as well as
tourists. Not a dive likely to be spiking anybody's drinks.
What I think is that Bajatech, Ed, and Scott, whether that be one person, two people, or three, should under no circumstances ever return to Loreto,
probably never venture south of the border at all, and that if he/she/they ever find themselves here again by mistake, he/she/they should immediately
seek refuge behind locked doors in their hotel rooms until safe passage out of town can be arranged. It is obviously much too dangerous down here.
It's interesting that on Bloodydecks, where the members are apparently much less gullible than on this site - probably because they deal with fish
stories every day - and also much less gentle in expressing skepticism, Scott's (bajatech's, Ed's) post lasted less than a day before it disappeared.
I think, but am not sure that a post on BD can only be removed by the OP. In any event, the story was getting much more play on BN.
I wonder if it's time for it to be laid to rest on this site yet.
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SPIKING DRINKS
This was not uncommon in California fifty years ago...
Phenolphthalein: A chemical used to turn alkaline fluids crimson so they can be titrated with acid to 7.0 Ph whereupon the solution turned clear. All
for industrial testing like TDS measurement in boiler condensate.
Phenolphthalein, the base active ingredient in the old-fashioned EX-LAX.
Obnoxious drunk in a bar. Five drops in a drink. Fifteen minutes the drunk was totally and completely occupied when the cops arrived. Worked like a
charm. Probably illegal as hell now.
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