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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 03:42 PM
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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 04:17 PM


I HAD a Ford Ranger truck and it was a pile! Toyota for sure.


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If by small Ford pick up, you guys mean the Ranger series, I would disagree. I cant recall any reliable years for the Ranger that would be cheap now.

A Toy is probably the best best but I wouldnt shy away from the 3.0L V-6, really. The only real problem I've heard of with them in the factory recalled head gasket replacement. And, at this point, it's probably impossible to find one that hasnt had it replaced, via recall or outright failure.

I think I would lean towards a 4-Runner, too. Just a little more secure than a truck with a shell. Bigger rack options, too.
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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 04:38 PM


Hah hah, small world, yeah that was David Yo Man! Thats funny because I have his name in my phones contact list as "David Yo Man!" and when he calls I still say "Yo man!" David knew that road but I always felt drained by the time we hit the coast. I probably would have enjoyed the ride if I had a racer style cross-chest belt and a helmet to protect my dome...and especially when we did the sideways slide at 60 on that washboard road. To this day I still can't believe we didn't trip the wheels in a rut and roll over. It was that trip that really convinced me of how awesome those 4 Runners are.

Why is there less cargo capacity with a 4WD? Cuz of the extra weight of the 4WD stuff? How much less MPG do you get with a 4WD?

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Originally posted by magentawave...I used to do surf/windsurf trips about 8 hours below the border in a friends 89 4Runner 2WD...last two hours...dusty washboard road. My friend drove like a maniac...white knuckle stuff...
:lol: That's gotta be (Dave) Yo MAN! u2u me if I'm right.
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...does anyone know if Toyota made a 1 Ton 4WD pickup back in the 80's and 90's?...might put a standup style camper shell on one...
Don't think so for 4wd; their 2wd 1Ton/22REs are awesome. Very scarce now.

They still make the 1Ton chassis abroad; it's called a HiLux(has a rounded Tacoma body.) Turbo Diesels even. Here's a site that has a lot of info although it hasn't been updated for years.
http://www.brian894x4.com/FOREIGNTOYOTAMAINPAGE.html

P.S. I'm with captkw on the 2wd thing. For all the gas/$/less cargo capacity 4wd ain't worth it.
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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 04:40 PM


Yes I was wondering about the availability of Suzuki parts down south too.



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I have had great luck finding parts and mechanics for Toyota 4 runner in my travels, also ford ranger for a bit cheaper, but it seems Suzuki samurai is a very common vehicle but I have no personal experiences with them. Hope this helps, great topic.Thank you. Oh and on a side note I will never take my BMW south again- no parts, no mechanics ect...
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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 04:42 PM


Yup, I've owned several full size Ford vans and PU's with that 300 straight 6 and it was a good motor.

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I have owned 19 different trucks of just about every make and a 1981 Ford F250 4x4 with a 300ci 6 cylinder and manual transmission was the most reliable truck I ever owned.
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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 04:48 PM


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I HAD a Ford Ranger truck and it was a pile! Toyota for sure.


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If by small Ford pick up, you guys mean the Ranger series, I would disagree. I cant recall any reliable years for the Ranger that would be cheap now.

A Toy is probably the best best but I wouldnt shy away from the 3.0L V-6, really. The only real problem I've heard of with them in the factory recalled head gasket replacement. And, at this point, it's probably impossible to find one that hasnt had it replaced, via recall or outright failure.

I think I would lean towards a 4-Runner, too. Just a little more secure than a truck with a shell. Bigger rack options, too.


My 2001 had the 3.4 V-6 and the '05 and '10 have the 4.0 V-6... both were fantastic engines and never a bit of problem... total between the three, about 300,000 miles... never a drop of oil on the ground either.

Before getting my '01 Tacoma, I did shop for a Ford Ranger... oh, I am SOOOO glad I got the Toyota... Our son has a 4WD Ranger and it is a miracle when the 4WD works or there aren't other issues.




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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 04:50 PM


I was thinking that an automatic would crawl better at slow speeds over washboard roads instead of the lugging you get when you're kind of between the optimum speed with a manual. What do you think about that?

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The Toyota Motorhome would work if it has the 5 speed Manual Trans. Tooo bad I just sold one that would have been perfect for what you want.
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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 04:54 PM


Lots of good stuff and thank you.

You said: "Four collapsible 5 gallon water jugs from Big 5 Sporting Goods will save you gas." How do those save gas?


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Some general tips on whatever you buy:

At close to six dollars a gallon mileage may be an important criteria.

Batteries cost 100 dollars a pop in Mexico and more than that in C.A. Batteries sold in Mexico weigh a lot less than batteries sold in the USA. Less lead, less power. Washboard roads will destroy a marginal battery in no time flat. Make sure cables and lug are in pristine connection.

Demand to see the smog test. Review the numbers. If any of them (especially HC) comes even close to the maximum permitted, reject the car. This is a great tattle-tale. Oil burning cars usually have new thick oil on the dipstick.

A camper with heavily tinted windows keeps appraising eyes off of the innards.

A bunch of rechargeable gizmos that plug into the cigarette lighter beats searching out for dollar a pop junk Valarta AA batteries.

Load up on disposable gas bottles and 100% pure DEET at Wal-Mart. Mexican repellents are pathetic, especially for jejenes and tabanos. A refill gizmo for the little bottles is priceless for lanterns and stoves. White gas is scarce and twelve dollars a gallon. One of those newer 7-day Igloo ice chests is a godsend. Wrap it up in a couple of dirt cheap Harbor Freight Tools furniture moving blankets and it'll have awesome staying power. Four collapsible 5 gallon water jugs from Big 5 Sporting Goods will save you gas.

I broke down and bought a 12-volt fan called a FANTASTIC FAN ENDLESS BREEZE. It uses a fifth of the power of a regular fan and delivers a lot more air. Worth every cent. Where i live in Mexico a typical January day reaches 88 and dips to 77. You'll need a fan for the humidity. Late February Puerto Escondido was 97 and Tehuantepec 105. You need a fan.

Slide in a couple of custom cut 3/4" plywood sheets for a camper floor. Cover that with a 4" memory foam mattress. You won't want to get up in the morning! The plywood is for making stuff like lean to's and it is incredibly expensive in Central America, good wampum. Find something to lay them on at you have a million dollar table or counter top.

Get a mound of mosquito netting to drape over the open tailgate for sleeping mosquito free. And a big silver tarp from Harbor Freight.

For staying in cheap hotels I carry a handful of cheap rubber wedge door stops. Stack on atop the other for wide door gaps.
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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 05:24 PM


I prefer hard-sided H2o containers the, soft always fail me. Gas, I don't know, but H2O is cheaper by bulk. I guess you know that.
You seam like you've done this before, just not as long?
Many posters here don't surf and understand how afar some of us will go to explore for a wave. Many are boaters and need launch ramps, trailer storage and such. Their answers reflect their experience, not wrong just different.
With 4x4 you lose mileage because of both gearing and power to all the wheels. If you do go with 4x4 make sure you have lockers, without them you effectively have 3 wheel drive (search this site for a better explanation). If your goal is to get to Scorpion Bay and Puerto Escondido, You don't need it. If you're looking for some new river mouth tube fest get the 4$x4$. Pact a shovel as well.




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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 06:08 PM


Yeah, the soft containers always failed me too.

Yes I have explored Baja over the years but they were surf and windsurf trips that only lasted a week or two. Now I want to keep heading south for as long as I feel like it. I'm not going to have a schedule so some areas I'll chill for a while and others I'll pass through. Setting up and de-setting up a tent is ok for short vacations but I'm thinking I'd like something I can get out of the elements and sleep in since this vehicle will be my home. Thats why I was thinking of possibly getting a Toyota motorhome or put a stand up camper on a 1 ton Toyota pickup.
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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 06:30 PM


Lockers or traction control (limited slip) will share power with the other tire on an axle, instead of it all going to the one that spins the easiest.

Lockers are best added to the rear axle, and only in extreme rock crawling conditions should be added to the front... it is a multi-thousand dollar mod.

The Toyota Tacoma Off Road TRD (and other Toyota models) has a rear locker as standard equipment. Other brands also may offer a rear locker. The Jeep Wrangler Rubicon has both a front and a rear factory locker.

The next best thing, and specially is if it is included in the price, is traction control... which limits the slip when one tire gets into a low traction spot. Instead of the one tire spinning, and you stop moving... power is shared with the other tire that is on better ground. It isn't a pure 50/50 sharing of power as in the case of a locker, but better than 0/100 split! The Toyota A-TRAC 4WD system is even better, and very near the traction of lockers, it also is on all 4 tires.

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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 07:03 PM
weld the spiders and been done with it !!


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eureka.gif posted on 11-15-2012 at 07:18 PM
weld spiders


Hey Kieth ...good idea, but what ya going to do when ya get on pavement, and cant turn ,guess they call that understeer!!!!!!!!!............but I have done it ...good one! :?:



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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 07:38 PM


Going for food and water will eat you alive in the gasoline and time department. Never once had a Big 5 collapsible water jog fail me. The big Igloo 7 day cooler is the same, it'll save you time and hassle. On the water instead of on your way to town.

South of Mexico fuel is five dollars a gallon. A sixteen gallon fuel up is eighty dollars in Quetzales, Lempira or Belizian Dollars. Do you want to go 350 miles or 288 miles for 80 dollars. That's a realistic difference between 2 and 4 wheel drive. 4WD vehicles on the mainland especially smaller ones are targets for carjackers*. No thanks. You can bet your bippy that a 4WD is used "harder" than most 2WD used pickups. Cherry picked jobs get sold to family, friends or co-workers. I know of no coveted surf spots that demand four wheel drive, not enough of them anyway to warrant the hassle of finding something that isn't in danger of being an overpriced, thrashed piece of junk. Remember "CHEAPEST"

*Parted out Toyota 4WD and Nissan 4WD's are worth a fortune




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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 07:47 PM
AMEN !!


and the 7 day unit is called the "extreme" and the only thing they changed was to add some foam insulation...DUH !! but it sure helps !! 4+4 not always the best option !!! Remember I work at 711..(sorry,,could not pass it up) everything has trade offs..... like seeing a unimog in baja is just plain stupid to me !! IMO....K&T... yes surfers push the envolope just like fisherman...human nature !! I wonder whats is the most dangerous ?????? a no brainer !!

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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 08:12 PM
locked spider !!!


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Hey Kieth ...good idea, but what ya going to do when ya get on pavement(response)...coming back from costa rica I crossed over in to texas and got stuck in some red clay (soft) with the help of some REAL texans (idiots) spon the splines on the axles ..after a month of searching said WTF and welded the spider...fine while going straight !! duallys dont jump up in the air 2/3 inches much on a normal rv,, but mine did after the weld !!! really cool to enter a gas station !! a hopp,,hopp skip..folks would Run !! LOL :lol::lol:.....K&T:cool:

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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 08:23 PM


Man, I can't believe...I actually agree with EVERYTHING DavidE wrote...very good advice, and not an exaggeration in any of it....solid..



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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 08:26 PM
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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 09:03 PM


DavidE don't surf. I go to plenty of spots that require 4x4 or a major walk. If your looking at a motor home as a possibility you won't need a 4x4.
The new motor home of choice is a full size 1/2 ton with pop-top. Not a lot leftover of Toyota motor homes.




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[*] posted on 11-15-2012 at 09:33 PM


Are you talking about a 1/2 ton pickup with pop-top camper? I have considered one of those but with all this war BS going on in the mid-east I don't see gas getting any cheaper and its more likely it will keep getting more expensive.


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DavidE don't surf. I go to plenty of spots that require 4x4 or a major walk. If your looking at a motor home as a possibility you won't need a 4x4.
The new motor home of choice is a full size 1/2 ton with pop-top. Not a lot leftover of Toyota motor homes.
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