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cessna821
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Of course Baja would extradite, possibly even if a death sentence had been proposed. But there is much more in play here, some of it quite sinister.
The tactic of 'shoot the messenger' by governments who are upset has usually worked in the past.
This time, however, there are many other factors to consider, more serious even than the details that were disclosed.
This article, written by an American, really gets to the heart of what the mainstream media are ignoring completely.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-07-03/us-vs-edward...
[Edited on 7-6-2013 by cessna821]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marinero
If you don't let him in, you don't have to keep him OR throw him out. |
This treasonous individual should keep close in mind the demise of bin Ladin if he thinks he can hide.
Regardless of who does what, when or why, his actions were wrong, and he will answer to charges eventually. He'll spend the rest of his days sleeping
with one eye open.
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cessna821
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As an addition to my previous post, here is a quote today from another 'spook'.
"Edward Snowden does not exist - the photograph is of a professional actor - the real whistleblower is still employed within the NSA and is anonymous"
The plot thickens!
[Edited on 7-6-2013 by cessna821]
[Edited on 7-6-2013 by cessna821]
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BajaRat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I want to know if Edward Snowden showed up in Guerrero Negro, would Mexico ship him back to the US? This is a political question that I really want
some input on. | Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by mojo_norte
He's a hero in my mind. |
Guess it depends on where you stand......Just like the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter. |
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R U Serious.... The long arm of the law will reach him anywhere... and Baja ! come on.... as remote as you can be here this is no place to hide.
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BajaRat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Oh I see, they would catch him with their new super duper cameras at the newly built border El Chaparral crossing in TJ, where they stop and
electronically scan every car, ask them to get out and examine their passports. Yes, I am sure he would never pass the high tech security either
walking or crossing into Mexico. From what I am reading, Mexico will not hand over a criminal that will receive the death penalty in the US. When is
the last time a Mexican official has asked you for identification crossing the border? Let's get real here. |
Lady , I had no idea medical marijuana was legal in Ensenada. You might wanna cut back on your dose 
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Marinero
If you don't let him in, you don't have to keep him OR throw him out. |
This treasonous individual should keep close in mind the demise of bin Ladin if he thinks he can hide.
Regardless of who does what, when or why, his actions were wrong, and he will answer to charges eventually. He'll spend the rest of his days sleeping
with one eye open. |
Why do you think that it's treasonous to expose abuses of the 1st and 4th amendment by a
government contractor, Booz Allen Hamilton, which is owned by the Carlyle Group? The implications of private contractors having carte blanche to
electronically eavesdrop on virtually anyone in the US has chilling implications on our political and financial system. The Carlyle Group is a virtual
who's who of banking, security, defense contractors, and petroleum interests, and ex-government officials and foreign billionaires like the Saudi
royal family. What assurances and safeguards do we have that information they gather won't be subverted for their own benefit to blackmail politicians
or front run economic intel for their own gain? In my opinion Snowden has done us all a great service in shining a light on these practices.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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DENNIS
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Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treasonous.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treasonous. |
What enemy did he give aid and comfort to? It seems to
me that it's every patriotic American's duty to expose their government when it acts contrary to the constitution. As Benjamin Franklin once said:
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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I do not smoke marijuana. I do not take prescription or non-prescription pain medication. And as Doug pointed out, we can argue all we want about
issues, but he posted something the other day about attacking the individuals that post. I am hoping you will take that comment somewhat seriously.
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaRat
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Oh I see, they would catch him with their new super duper cameras at the newly built border El Chaparral crossing in TJ, where they stop and
electronically scan every car, ask them to get out and examine their passports. Yes, I am sure he would never pass the high tech security either
walking or crossing into Mexico. From what I am reading, Mexico will not hand over a criminal that will receive the death penalty in the US. When is
the last time a Mexican official has asked you for identification crossing the border? Let's get real here. |
Lady , I had no idea medical marijuana was legal in Ensenada. You might wanna cut back on your dose |
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At some point, Snowden had to take an oath of allegiance to the US. He broke it and ran. He's a traitor, and a coward, pure and simple. If you
think our government is the only one collecting intelligence by these methods, you should probably think again. Russia, France, China, Great Briton,
Israel, and most of the rest, could probably listen to your phone calls in Baja, and probably do. I'll bet they know where to make bait around the
east cape, and whose birthday party your going to, and the license number of all the cars of the campers in Coyote. Big Brother [remember that book??]
is HERE, and has been for quite a while. I'm sorta glad our country is keeping up. Snowden deserves all the bad coming his way, and I would hope
Mexico would extradite him.
I yam what I yam and that\'s all what I yam.
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The Mexican Golden Rule
Is to Follow the Gold.
In the Snowjob case, there would be NO Gold for Mexico.
And, a LOT of Lead.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by watizname
At some point, Snowden had to take an oath of allegiance to the US. He broke it and ran. He's a traitor, and a coward, pure and simple. If you
think our government is the only one collecting intelligence by these methods, you should probably think again. Russia, France, China, Great Briton,
Israel, and most of the rest, could probably listen to your phone calls in Baja, and probably do. I'll bet they know where to make bait around the
east cape, and whose birthday party your going to, and the license number of all the cars of the campers in Coyote. Big Brother [remember that book??]
is HERE, and has been for quite a while. I'm sorta glad our country is keeping up. Snowden deserves all the bad coming his way, and I would hope
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Everyone knows that the government spies, Snowden didn't reveal anything earth shattering in regards to that, every terrorist knows
that electronic communications are easily compromised. What Snowden actually revealed is the degree that this has been out-sourced to private
contractors. American citizens have a duty to expose government tyranny, the depth of the US government spying on it's own citizens is clearly
contrary to the constitution. I would suggest you go reread the 1st and 4th amendments. Intercepting private communications of US citizens requires a
warrant, period, congress, the judiciary, nor the executive branch can change that without amending the constitution.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cessna821
Of course Baja would extradite, possibly even if a death sentence had been proposed. But there is much more in play here, some of it quite sinister.
The tactic of 'shoot the messenger' by governments who are upset has usually worked in the past.
This time, however, there are many other factors to consider, more serious even than the details that were disclosed.
This article, written by an American, really gets to the heart of what the mainstream media are ignoring completely.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-07-03/us-vs-edward...
[Edited on 7-6-2013 by cessna821] |
Good article- thanks for sharing
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he's a traitor ONLY because he ran. if he would have stood up to take his medicine i bet he'd have A LOT more sympathy.
that said, let's Seal Team Six his assss.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
he's a traitor ONLY because he ran. if he would have stood up to take his medicine i bet he'd have A LOT more sympathy.
that said, let's Seal Team Six his assss. |
Yep
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Here's what former assistant sec. of the treasury under Ronald Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts had to say about it:"American patriots, who feel that they
should be on “their” government’s side regardless of the facts, would do well to remember what true patriotism is. For Americans, patriotism has
always meant allegiance to the Constitution, not to the government. The oath is to defend the Constitution against enemies domestic and foreign. The
Bush and Obama regimes have proven themselves to be the Constitution’s worst enemies. It is not possible for a true patriot to support a government
that destroys the Constitution. The United States is the Constitution. Our country is not the Obama regime, the Bush regime, or some other
administration. Our country is the Constitution. The Constitution is our country."
The rest of the article is here:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/06/28/washington-is-dri...
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Bolivia is now offering Snowden asylum along with Nicaragua and Venezuela.
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To answer the original question, yes Mexico will/would extradite him provided the US does go for the death penalty which is and has been the standard
between the US and Mexico. The guy really screwed up by running. He is now in a foreign country with no family and friends and will live the rest of
his live on the run always wondering when the hammer will come down. The Chinese and Russians are only interested in how the spy system works and what
we have. The other countries are only interested in making the US look bad and once the BS is over they will let him fend for himself. At some point
he will most likely give himself up to the US and face the consequences which is most likely life in prison or at least 30 years to life which is most
likely what the Wikileaks solder will get too. Two peas in a pod, maybe they can compare notes.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
To answer the original question, yes Mexico will/would extradite him provided the US does go for the death penalty which is and has been the standard
between the US and Mexico.
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Two peas in a pod, maybe they can compare notes. |
Or become lovers. They deserve each other.
I'll bet the kids will be cute.
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Slim pickens behind prison walls, just sayin'.
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