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pauldavidmena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Thanks for the enlightenment......Right on the subject of the post..which was? |
Something to do with the growing waistline of Carlos Slim?
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MitchMan
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Business can provide certain things cheaper than government, but not all things. Also, business is absolutely incapable and even unwilling to provide
many other things that you and me and our society requires. The point is that there is a role for business and a role for government.
If you do not believe there is an appropriate role for government, then you are for absolute anarchy. Even the disgraced Alan Greenspan said that he
was wrong about the ability of big business to self-regulate. Anyone think that anarchy is the solution?
Government and the economy are ever-imperfect works in progress…and that will always be the case…it has always been the case. Anybody disagree with
that? If you do disagree, please cite relevant and realistic comparable examples of the past and present that you know about.
The principal founders of this country said that a successful society and representative government depends on the people being informed voters,
inspired by the true interest of the people. They said that elected officials have a responsibility… and so do we the voters. And that duty is to be
good citizens, informed citizens that vote accordingly.
To sit and moan, complain about what doesn’t work and then point the finger of blame while openly admitting and accepting your own ignorance on the
subject and effectively side stepping your responsibility to self-educate, even on the basics, is no constructive contribution to a solution for you,
others, or this country.
When one states an opinion on economics and then criticize those in office with certainty that they are clueless while admitting your
own ignorance …well, do you see the circle of stupid that is created? Sorry, there is no free pass for admittedly being and accepting one’s own
ignorance while expecting one’s opinion to be taken seriously.
The government provides and produces a great deal. Keep in mind that “all things produced, provided, or made” are not limited to only tangible things
produced by business. Even the objective measurement of GDP includes many things “intangible”.
Social Security is raided by government, it is mandated by law, BTW. Started big time with Reagan right about the time he increased the Social
Security withholding rate paid by all workers while passing a great big income tax cut, especially at the top rate, then using the excess in Social
Security Trust Fund to make up for lost revenues due to his tax cut. This has been going on since 1983.
I, for one, am always skeptical of the proposition of discrediting specific knowledge in favor of an admittedly uninformed position on issues.
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Very pompous....But not very point on...I wonder why you are the only "informed "person"? You must be an educator .....or worse yet a finance
wienie.....The word ignorance is used
freely in your posts which are sophomoric at best. Do you have a qualification in ignorance?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Very pompous....But not very point on...I wonder why you are the only "informed "person"? You must be an educator .....or worse yet a finance
wienie.....The word ignorance is used
freely in your posts which are sophomoric at best. Do you have a qualification in ignorance? |
Chuckie, some debate an issue others debate the speaker....any idea which one is clueless
[Edited on 9-9-2013 by Bajaboy]
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chuckie
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Prolly me, I'll have to ask Dennis....In any event I am done here...
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Simpletons and other miscreants
Varied opinions, stupid for not, uninformed or not, simpleton or not, or long diatribes not withstanding......
What we have now with the current leadership is JUST NOT WORKING!!
For the life of me I can't understand why it's so difficult to comprehend that.
Bash the wealthy, bash the poor....praise or bash the leadership, cast blame, toss out "it's not my fault" around and throw up your arms and proclaim
"what difference does it make", macro this and micro that, and if some stupid dolt doesn't see it your way......he/she is indeed a stupid dolt.....
And it remains.......4 plus years later........NOT WORKING!!
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Prolly me, I'll have to ask Dennis....In any event I am done here... |
Right behind you Mr C
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DENNIS
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Heyyyyy....where'd everybody go?
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MitchMan
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Dennis,
When a person makes an accusation or posits a criticism and then fails to defend challenges to their accusations and criticisms with sufficient or
adequate on-point substance or even commensurate logic, there isn't much left for that person to do, except maybe to regurgitate what hey have already
said and then simply turn around and run away from the challenge, which is what appears to be the case.
In my responses to them, I used assertions of my own that they failed to counter. The opportunity is there for them to communicate and defend their
contentions...anytime..., but, obviously, they couldn't.
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DENNIS
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 .....if that doesn't get a response, nothing will.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
.....if that doesn't get a response, nothing will. |
Oh, and I just heard the Polar Ice Cap is 60% bigger this year then it was last year at this month... when 'they' said it would be vanished... 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
What we have now with the current leadership is JUST NOT WORKING!!
For the life of me I can't understand why it's so difficult to comprehend that.
And it remains.......4 plus years later........NOT WORKING!! |
Bob Durrell
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Very pompous....But not very point on...I wonder why you are the only "informed "person"? You must be an educator .....or worse yet a finance
wienie.....The word ignorance is used
freely in your posts which are sophomoric at best. Do you have a qualification in ignorance? |
Bob Durrell
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Newsmax
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
[ and I agree with you that veterans get plenty of benefits, but i do wish they would quit whining for more  |
Something for you to celebrate, Goat:
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1. Obama Slashes Pay Raises for Military
President Obama has told Congress he will cap next year's pay raise for U.S. military personnel at 1 percent instead of boosting pay by 1.8 percent as
called for by a federal law.
The president's move will negatively impact American combat troops scheduled to remain in Afghanistan through 2014.
The federal law says military pay raises must be based on the Employment Cost Index compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which ties military
raises to private sector pay growth. Under that formula, military personnel should be getting a 1.8 percent pay raise beginning in January 2014, CNS
News reported.
But the law also states that the president can inform Congress of an alternative pay adjustment "if because of national emergency or serious economic
conditions affecting the general welfare, the president considers the pay adjustment which would otherwise be required by this section in any year to
be inappropriate."
Obama wrote to congressional leaders: "I am strongly committed to supporting our uniformed service members, who have made such great contributions to
our nation over the past decade of war. As our country continues to recover from serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare, however,
we must maintain efforts to keep our nation on a sustainable fiscal course."
He also asserted that his decision "will not materially affect the federal government's ability to attract and retain well-qualified members" of the
military.
The House passed a bill in July authorizing the 1.8 percent raise, but the Senate has set the raise at 1 percent as recommended by Obama.
Military pay rose 1.7 percent this year and 1.6 percent in 2012.
Retired Air Force Col. Mike Hayden, director of government relations for the Military Officers Association of America (MOAA), calculated that the
reduced pay raise could cost an officer with 10 years of service about $52 a month next year, or $8,000 over the remaining years of his or her career.
It would also cost a service member $20,000 in retirement pay.
Hayden wrote on the MOAA website: "Over the past 12 years, Congress worked hard to fix the 13.5 percent pay gap (and resulting retention problems)
caused by repeatedly capping military raises below private-sector pay growth in the 1980s and 1990s.
"History has shown that once Congress starts accepting proposals to cap military pay below private-sector growth, pay caps continue until they have
weakened retention and readiness."
http://news.newsmax.com/?Z6IvYYf7OWAn0hT4IaTn6taZRXbkbLRAZ |
An ultra conservative outlet that makes Fox News appear to be liberal.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
.....if that doesn't get a response, nothing will. |
Oh, and I just heard the Polar Ice Cap is 60% bigger this year then it was last year at this month... when 'they' said it would be vanished...
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And that's why many shipping companies are planning to send ships through the Arctic?
This thread has certainly shown a vast diversity of opinion. Great that we all remain friends. I do have to wonder how it is that Doug didn't dump
this into Off topic days ago. Pax.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
An ultra conservative outlet that makes Fox News appear to be liberal. |
Irrefutable? Thanks.
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bajaguy
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Hey, Howard....the shipping companies are using icebreakers.
And how about letting Doug run HIS board the way he wants???
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
And that's why many shipping companies are planning to send ships through the Arctic?
This thread has certainly shown a vast diversity of opinion. Great that we all remain friends. I do have to wonder how it is that Doug didn't dump
this into Off topic days ago. Pax. |
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MrBillM
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In the Championship Standings ...........
Mitch needn't worry:
"...............In my responses to them, I used assertions of my own that they failed to counter. The opportunity is there for them to communicate and
defend their contentions...anytime..., but, obviously, they couldn't".
Pursuant to the Rules and Regulations established within the forum by the GCCR (Governing Committee on Cognitive Response), THOSE
whose defense of their contentions are deemed faulty will be penalized a determined number of Pontificating Puffery points for each
infraction AND a Cash Penalty amounting to 1/10 of their entrance fee and will, therefore, shortly find themselves out of Final Consideration for
overall Championship status.
The indignity of which will, no doubt, drive them into withdrawal and embarrassed seclusion.
Problem solved.
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MitchMan
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Bill,
Upon a careful reading of your last post here, it looks like you and others owe quite of bit of back penalty money to the GCCR for
insufficient and non-existent defenses of your many, many unsupported drive-by contentions.
Hint: The difficulty that you have had in presenting substantive positions together with your glaring monumental failure to support and defend them,
is inherent in your (and of those others of like mind) collective and consistent practice of limiting everything you write to a style that can only be
described as drive-by accusation.
To make matters worse, your defenses and attempted retaliations most always consist of nothing more than either repeated or additional accusation.
You need only to look in this thread to see that. If you look at other threads, you will see the same thing over and over again: Short 1 to 4
sentences of criticism in the form of accusation and your responses in the same format, virtually always lacking fact and verifiable support. Also,
most of the longer posts by those of your persuasion are cut and pasted from a third party.
Well, I guess if you've got nothing, what else can you do?
Yup, you guys owe big money.
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MrBillM
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I Owe, I Owe ?
Ho, Ho, Ho ?
Once I receive a Billing from the GCCR, I will give it prompt attention and I am sure that others will do the same.
That is assuming any questionable billing items are not appealed to the CRABSCAT (Cognitive Response Appeals Board
Supervising Coordinating Authority Team) for reconciliation and redress.
Once a final disposition is received and appropriate credit is given to my account for accumulated (compounded) fees paid, I am sure that sufficient
funds will be on deposit to account for the percentages in question.
Best Regards.
ALL should be assured that the matters under debate are given the absolute maximum degree of serious consideration to which they are entitled given
the consequences any resolution arrived at might affect.
Sincerely.
[Edited on 9-10-2013 by MrBillM]
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