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redhilltown
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I don't think it's a given that excessive speed causes washboard (I've always gone with aired down and slow myself) but it has been proven that
vehicle travel over these roads is the culprit. I am on the side that it will be sad to have the big rigs air braking as they scream along this
section...they coyotes need their sleep too!!!! Yet I totally understand those that will have a great new way to get south without having to lose an
axle or have their teeth rattled out of their mouths.
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Tomas Tierra
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For the First time, I will be taking Hwy 5 North on my way out in April.
Really looking forward to it
What is/are the must see spot/spots for camp/kayak fish in the Gonzaga area?. Capable 4by with camper and family.
Boondock preferable.. Looking at the almanac, and all the beaches, it seems It might be hard to find just the right spot..
TT
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papa's or pta final.
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Quote: Originally posted by Tomas Tierra  | For the First time, I will be taking Hwy 5 North on my way out in April.
Really looking forward to it
What is/are the must see spot/spots for camp/kayak fish in the Gonzaga area?. Capable 4by with camper and family.
Boondock preferable.. Looking at the almanac, and all the beaches, it seems It might be hard to find just the right spot..
TT |
hey tom a good spot is papa's campground all the way north to the point, good chance you'll have it all to yourself. or there's a couple remote spots
south of bufeo if you really want to be alone.
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David K
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Hi Thomas, if it is your first time to Gonzaga Bay, you may need some visual aid to see where the campos are... The Papa Fernandez spot mentioned
above is on the outside of the bay, on the gulf side of Punta Willard. Another option is the palapa campground of Campo Beluga. Food is served at
Alfonsina's, the market across from the Pemex (Rancho Grande store), and Papa Fernandez' (see photo of Papa with John Wayne, who loved it there).
Overall bay complex:
View from the gulf looking southwest:
Papa's camping spot, Punta Willard:
There may be a rope blocking the road from Papa's over to the point beach (for security).
Plus a classic map from 1962 with the historically correct bay names:
Supplies for the California missions were off loaded on the shore of San Luis Gonzaga where a stone walled warehouse was located (foundation ruinss
remain)
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Tomas Tierra
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Thank you all... Was on google earth and saw those three palapas at the north end of Papas... Looks nice.. The whole area looks nice, change is
coming, want to see it now...
TT
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As you drive north, you can pop into Beluga first to check it out, and then always come back if the other site isn't what you want.
More pics at Campo Beluga: http://vivabaja.com/207/page3.html
[Edited on 2-11-2015 by David K]
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When I was there in the 70s eating dinner with Papa and family he was talking about the news that they were going to pave the road in from the north!
:-) :-)
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy | | When I was there in the 70s eating dinner with Papa and family he was talking about the news that they were going to pave the road in from the north!
:-) :-) |
They did... 40 years later... lol!
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Gonzaga to La Chapalla
Thinking of going the same way mid-April (southbound though). Done it more than a few times with just the loaded down F350, this time though I will
have a camper on the back and towing my Jeep (although it's likely my wife will just follow in the Jeep to save on wear and tear on the truck). Low
and slow of course ...
The area south of where the work is being done has always been problematic ... anyone travel recently think the above is a good idea or should we
stick with the tried and proven (and busy) highway 1 ?
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Brewin- I just drove the road and their is no construction to worry about as of today. If you are heading south the construction ends and their are
no signs of any additional construction in progress.
It's 23 miles of the last stretch of dirt road before it joins Hwy 1 and slow and go is easy-peezy. Hopefully, it takes another 10 years before they
get the rest of the road done.
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| Quote: Originally posted by redhilltown | | I don't think it's a given that excessive speed causes washboard (I've always gone with aired down and slow myself) but it has been proven that
vehicle travel over these roads is the culprit. I am on the side that it will be sad to have the big rigs air braking as they scream along this
section...they coyotes need their sleep too!!!! Yet I totally understand those that will have a great new way to get south without having to lose an
axle or have their teeth rattled out of their mouths. |
all automotive engineers know that powered wheels slip (even on pavement). The slipping causes dirt to be scooped. The more power is used (not
necessarily speed) the more washboard you will have.
High power vehicles during the off-road races cause giant washboard. The infamous whoop-de-doos.
To prove the point: dirt airstrips do not have washboard - airplane wheels are not powered.
If power/speed is kept below 25 mph washboard is rarely seen. Some of the remote ranch communities in Baja have been taught to keep the speed down to
have smooth roads. Smooth roads eliminate expensive suspension repairs.
The closer you get to main highways, the more impatient people get and the more washboard you'll see.
Much more to this topic - maybe a separate thread
Harald Pietschmann
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David K
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Great answer Harald!
I recall in one of the old 4WD books that bad suspension (bad shocks) were to blame for creating washboard roads... The hopping of the tires... Good
shocks keep tires in contact with the ground and less hopping.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Great answer Harald!
I recall in one of the old 4WD books that bad suspension (bad shocks) were to blame for creating washboard roads... The hopping of the tires... Good
shocks keep tires in contact with the ground and less hopping. |
lower tire pressure (blow 20 psi) will have stronger smoothing effect than shocks
Harald Pietschmann
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We just came through in a FJ Cruiser. It is an enjoyable drive for a serious off-road vehicle, but there are sections of the dirt road that are hard
washboard road, and there are also rock boulders strewn around. If you take a trailer through, it should be one specifically designed for offroad use,
like a Chaser or one of those things.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Great answer Harald!
I recall in one of the old 4WD books that bad suspension (bad shocks) were to blame for creating washboard roads... The hopping of the tires... Good
shocks keep tires in contact with the ground and less hopping. |
lower tire pressure (blow 20 psi) will have stronger smoothing effect than shocks |
Oh I agree, but not everyone has an air pump so they may not stop to deflate. Bad shocks allow the tires to bounce and that bouncing is what is the
cause of washboard... so the book says.
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I just drove the unpaved section of Hwy 5 south of Gonzaga to the intersection of Hwy 5 and Hwy 1 both directions. I drove a 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee
and did not deflate my tires as they are filled with Nitrogen (a CostCo thing). I went down 04/15/15 and came back 04/21/15. The section I am
talking about is 23 miles.
From the end of the pavement to Coco's is 9.3 miles of pretty good dirt road. There are sections that are washboard and others that are not. From
Coco's to Hwy 1 is 14 miles. A mile or so out of Coco's is pretty good and they it gets a little rocky through the first set of mountains. Most of
this was doable at 10 miles a hour. There are some sections one must slow down on, mostly the peaks of the road, and other sections are pretty good.
Once out of the mountains towards Hwy 1 it is pretty good sailing. I made the whole trip in 1 hour and 5 minutes. No flats, nothing broke and I
still have all my teeth. I met about 4 empty big rigs on this road when I was headed down and two when I was headed back, all were easy to get by
when I just stopped and let let roll past.
[Edited on 4-23-2015 by wornout]
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David K
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Thank you. Any sign of construction going?
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Tomas Tierra
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I came through going north on the 13th.. They were building some sort of structure near the end of pavement in gonzaga... Military maybe? Dunno..on
the N. side of a bigger arroyo, SOC side of hwy
TT
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I understood Mexican Washboard came as seed which was spread by the most recent road grader.....It would lie dormant until just before the Gringo
migration started and then explode into full growth. Most fertile spots were those about a kilometer from a tire repair place.....
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