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That is a fact. I was clearing brush when I was a kid years ago in the Sierra foothills northeast of Oroville CA and nearly stepped on a rattler
coiled at the base of a young scrub oak. When that rattle went off, I instinctively jumped backwards, off of one foot, and landed on my back about
six feet away, did a backwards somersault and ran another six feet, smack into a tree. That embedded fear and a good dose of adrenalin can make you
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you should hear that snake relating that story to his snake buddy's around the campfire! 
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| Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view | | Working in the high desert we have the most venomous rattler in America, AKA Mojave Green. Supposedly aggressive and doesn't always broadcast its
location. You know it's there when it bites you! Oh, and the occasional Sidewinder. So far none, hopefully it stays that way for the next 5-6 weeks!
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I used to camp in Jawbone canyon.22 of us around campfire,Mojave Green came. Within 7/10ft of
campfire at night,12 gauge Gone NO MAS.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view | | Working in the high desert we have the most venomous rattler in America, AKA Mojave Green. Supposedly aggressive and doesn't always broadcast its
location. You know it's there when it bites you! Oh, and the occasional Sidewinder. So far none, hopefully it stays that way for the next 5-6 weeks!
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I used to camp in Jawbone canyon.22 of us around campfire,Mojave Green came. Within 7/10ft of
campfire at night,12 gauge Gone NO MAS. |
go git em. Only good rattler is a dead rattler. long wit injuns.
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If your referring to me as, long wit injun NERDY . I would expect anything from our Resident Nature N-zi. Your only worthless posts,are to disrupt off
road forms. That is fine, Its my pleasure to bring to attention what you are NERDY. Still a control freak,with dippers needing change. Give a rest
NERDY, If you don't have anything good to say.Witch you never do in off road forums. You will be called out.You and your two other sit in
chair,talkers no nothing. 
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chuckie
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HUH?
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It should be easy to understand Chuckie. Nerdy never has anything good to say about off road people. Since I'm pro off road,I will address him.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | MT You are beyond help,are you
just plain stupid.Or just live in your backyard in SD. I wish the snake I dont kill,keeps you company.The Market across the street,had one inside,with
two kids in there. Next door baby rattler in house,with 3 kids in there. Do you post,just to be seen.As no nothing, You should just go under a rock in
Baja. I will always respond to your,worthless posts.
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Don't kill snakes, relocate them to an uninhabited remote area if you are worried about them. It's easy to
do, just scoop them into a trash can or a cooler and take them for a little ride.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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Good idea!
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Mono, relocating wildlife is not necessarily a better solution than killing them. Placing snakes into a new area without appropriate den sites or
resources can mean that they slowly die of exposure, starvation, or other causes, which may be crueler in the end.
Managing your property to discourage snakes from taking up residence in the first place is the best solution. (obviously this may not apply to
ranch/large acreage owners)
Also, encouraging people to handle venomous snakes without experience/training/when they're not comfortable with it is maybe not the best idea.
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| Quote: Originally posted by seasider | | Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | Quote: Originally posted by seasider | | Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | As you all know,we had wet winter.Lots of green grass and water. Riding last 6 days over 6 rattle snakes,killed most of them.They where out even in
cool weather.All ranchos have reported same thing.As we get into April,they will come out of the wood work.Hikers/bikers watch where you put your foot
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It seems to me that indiscriminate killing of rattlesnakes or any native wildlife is incredibly stupid and senseless. Hopefully more people will
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So another knuckle head,that does not live in Baja.Thinks rattlers are good,We
dont kill them unless.There in our way.Let me ask you this. If your Child,God for give.Was about to be bit by a rattler,would you post this. |
So, I have to admit that I got my back up a bit when you posted about running over every snake you see. When I was researching for my trip to Baja I
was interested in seeing a rattlesnake so came across a video of a guy chopping the head off a six or seven foot diamondback rattlesnake then proudly
showing the severed head to the camera. Not too cool as far as I was concerned. Anyway, you got called stupid and in return I got called a
knucklehead, probably not something either one of us needs.
From the few replies it looks like it is best to scare off or kill any rattlers near your home or camp and leave them alone (maybe even drive around
them on the road) when in wild areas. And it seems reasonable and necessary to control them on the ranch. I grew up on cattle ranches in SE British
Columbia and it was a constant battle to keep the gopher numbers down . Unfortunately their burrows left mounds in the hayfields and damaged the
equipment at harvest time. I have shot hundreds or maybe thousands of gophers when I was kid, something I didn't think much about at the time. Many if
not most country folk where I grew up also killed badgers, skunks and porcupine on sight. There were plenty of badgers around in the seventies and
eighties but now they are critically endangered in BC.
I did a bit of research and found out that between one thousand and eight thousand people are bitten by rattlesnakes each year in the US which is
really quite a lot. Between five and fifteen of these people die, which is about one tenth to three tenths of one percent of those bitten. Lightning
kills at least three times as many people in the US though.
In BC where I live two or three people are bitten every year by rattlesnakes, which are found in one small area of the province.. They are also much
less venomous than the southern US snakes(not sure how venomous the Baja rattler is). Here the rattlers are not endangered but are on the provincial
blue list because of habitat loss and many people killing them on site. In the area where there are rattlers there is also the large(diamondback size)
non venomous gopher snake. It is basically harmless to people but they are also on the blue list because of habitat loss and people mistaking them for
rattlers and killing them.
It was also interesting to find out that most or all of the rattlesnakes in the southern US and Mexico are not threatened even though so many are
killed by people.
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I have known several people who were bitten by rattle snakes, all but one
of them were bitten because they were trying to handle them or show off. They are an important part of the desert ecosystem and there is no need to
kill them, diamond backs are not overly aggressive and can easily be relocated. I lived for 15 years on a ranch in BCS where we had rattle snake
encounters quite often, I have relocated hundreds of them, also had dogs and cattle that seemed to somehow learn not to mess with them, because none
of them ever got bit.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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| Quote: Originally posted by toronja | Mono, relocating wildlife is not necessarily a better solution than killing them. Placing snakes into a new area without appropriate den sites or
resources can mean that they slowly die of exposure, starvation, or other causes, which may be crueler in the end.
Managing your property to discourage snakes from taking up residence in the first place is the best solution. (obviously this may not apply to
ranch/large acreage owners)
Also, encouraging people to handle venomous snakes without experience/training/when they're not comfortable with it is maybe not the best idea.
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It is very easy and safe to lay down a plastic trash can and move the snake into it with a stick or a
shovel. It's complete BS that they are somehow better off dead than relocated to another area.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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I didn't say they were always "better off dead", but plenty of research shows that relocation is not the easy, happy solution people think it is (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140212164317.h... for one example). Relocating them to another part of your property within their
home range would probably not harm them, but I don't think many people are willing to keep them around.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | I used to camp in Jawbone canyon.22 of us around campfire,Mojave Green came. Within 7/10ft of campfire at night,12 gauge Gone NO MAS.
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were all 22 full-on losers?
wow
"ohhhh no, the nasty snake is out to get me" (or tell me to bite the nasty apple :lol
pathetic
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Another Green brainless looser. Question BeZZELESS, what you gonna do about it. The other poster mono,Its very easy to lay down plastic trash can
move the snake.Be real hard when hiking or biking.Anytime kids are there,at night Mojave green is a threat. It will be history . You don't like it,
that is just too bad. One kid,dog or cat bit by rattler is one too many. Its easy for you Arm chair talkers. On your reports from All over but Baja
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Ratllesnakes aint much different, no matter where they are..The ones we had in Loma Azul (mulege) would bite just like the ones in Texas, Arizona,
Kansas, anywhere...Why do you think they are diiferent? Just because they are in Baja? Ours here in Kansas even speak Spanish, cuz I hear the Mexican
cowboys talking to them..."Chinga Tu Madre" (pistol shot)
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BTR, ENOUGH with the name-calling already. I'm mostly on your side with the snake theory, but your belligerence outshines your intellect (or lack
thereof). If you're gonna call someone a 'loser', at least lern how to spel it furst. When you use the term 'Green' derogatorily you're insulting
half the people on this board. Stay as Brown as you want to, Big Bad Biker Boy. Just work on your middle-school essay skills, willya?
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | Another Green brainless looser. Question BeZZELESS, what you gonna do about it. The other poster mono,Its very easy to lay down plastic trash can
move the snake.Be real hard when hiking or biking.Anytime kids are there,at night Mojave green is a threat. It will be history . You don't like it,
that is just too bad. One kid,dog or cat bit by rattler is one too many. Its easy for you Arm chair talkers. On your reports from All over but Baja
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You keep making these accusations that no one else lives in Baja. In reality many have lived there for a long time. They just have another opinion.
4 months out of the year I am in Arizona which has a lot of rattlesnakes, including the Mojave green. It is generally recommended to leave the snake
alone. They do not like people or large animals and will leave; keep your yard free of pests/rodents and do not provide them with living quarters.
If there is a problem snake that insists on staying around, relocate it to an unpopulated area.
for educational value I have included the following information.
http://ifnaturecouldtalk.com/more-on-relocating-rattlesnakes...
And its not necessary to challenge everyone to a fight who disagrees. Sometimes you might learn something.
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Snake heaven has a very low population...(just sayin)
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | | BTR, ENOUGH with the name-calling already. I'm mostly on your side with the snake theory, but your belligerence outshines your intellect (or lack
thereof). If you're gonna call someone a 'loser', at least lern how to spel it furst. When you use the term 'Green' derogatorily you're insulting
half the people on this board. Stay as Brown as you want to, Big Bad Biker Boy. Just work on your middle-school essay skills, willya?
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Thank you for this!
This is a subject that could be discussed and debated with a lot of difference in opinion, but the name calling is ridiculous.
Because someone disagrees with Bajatrailrider does not make them a loser.
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