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chuckie
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Thank you for your input Fishbuck....Lotta good cowboys come out of Alberta!
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rts551
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Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  | Hi all. I find David's statement about things in Baja being lost to history to be partly true. San Quintin area is a good example.
I also find it somewhat baffling that soo many nomads pile on to insult and criticize David K.
He tries to provide info to people here. And sometimes he includes some insight. Why attack him for that. I appreciare his candor and those of the
others who contribute.
I now live in Everett WA and the library here is full of historical info. I can tell you the name of the very 1st settler and the natives of that
time.
In contrast. I know personally the person who is the direct hier to a family that owned the entire San Quintin valley and still own a sizeable chunk.
Yet the history of the area is very vague and hard to find.
The locals don't care. Most of them anyway. You can't eat history. |
Visit the museum out next to the restaurant Old Mill.
http://baja.com/san-quintin/san-quintin-museum-an-interestin...
[Edited on 6-24-2016 by rts551]
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salttram
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Not a problem . . .
| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | This forum is supposed to be about Baja, but here we are, arguing politics!
What's that....all you wanted was information about some remote Baja buildings?
I apologize, and hope some one is still willing to add any useful info to this out of control thread. |
Well it sure won't be the first thread that went wildly off-topic . . . and it won't be the last (at least here)! 
Thanks to all the repliers, especially those that had some new info to offer. Feel free to update if you find out anything more. I have some more
detailed pics on another harddrive I need to resurrect. The inscription on the cistern had some names IIRC.
It's such a great place, and for all those lucky enough to have camped on the beach near there, it may be a while before we can drive there again!
Although I personally am pretty much diametrically opposed to many of David K's political and societal views, he has been very generous with me in
providing detailed ECR maps and was an excellent host at his Viva Baja events years ago. He seems to be a genuinely nice person . . . and our views
are only as good as our source (hopefully SOURCES) of information.
I've found that just because I like Baja exploration, offroading, and photography, I won't necessarily find common cause with everyone who shares
these passions . . . in fact, I rarely do!
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David K
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Have we met at a Viva Baja event or other place?
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salttram
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Yes David, Annie and I attended two of your Viva Baja events some years ago . . . and we once met again at Kim's place in El Rosario when you happened
by. That was several years ago too . . . how time flies!
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by salttram | | Yes David, Annie and I attended two of your Viva Baja events some years ago . . . and we once met again at Kim's place in El Rosario when you happened
by. That was several years ago too . . . how time flies! |
Wonderful... yes I remember all three times! Many are still here but don't post as much as in the past.
Oh great that you are here on Nomad sharing the adventure side of Baja!!!
Did you ever get around to hiking El Camino Real?
Viva Baja #4 in 2003.
Viva Baja #3 in 2002.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck | Hi all. I find David's statement about things in Baja being lost to history to be partly true. San Quintin area is a good example.
I also find it somewhat baffling that soo many nomads pile on to insult and criticize David K.
He tries to provide info to people here. And sometimes he includes some insight. Why attack him for that. I appreciare his candor and those of the
others who contribute.
I now live in Everett WA and the library here is full of historical info. I can tell you the name of the very 1st settler and the natives of that
time.
In contrast. I know personally the person who is the direct hier to a family that owned the entire San Quintin valley and still own a sizeable chunk.
Yet the history of the area is very vague and hard to find.
The locals don't care. Most of them anyway. You can't eat history. |
Visit the museum out next to the restaurant Old Mill.
http://baja.com/san-quintin/san-quintin-museum-an-interestin...
[Edited on 6-24-2016 by rts551] |
Thank you. I was unaware that a museum was opened. Haven't been to the old mill area since 2011.
A side note. The heir's family of which I mentioned sold the Los Pinos people their land. I think his grandfather did. The grandfather owed the
entire valley at 1 time.
[Edited on 6-29-2016 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck | Hi all. I find David's statement about things in Baja being lost to history to be partly true. San Quintin area is a good example.
I also find it somewhat baffling that soo many nomads pile on to insult and criticize David K.
He tries to provide info to people here. And sometimes he includes some insight. Why attack him for that. I appreciare his candor and those of the
others who contribute.
I now live in Everett WA and the library here is full of historical info. I can tell you the name of the very 1st settler and the natives of that
time.
In contrast. I know personally the person who is the direct hier to a family that owned the entire San Quintin valley and still own a sizeable chunk.
Yet the history of the area is very vague and hard to find.
The locals don't care. Most of them anyway. You can't eat history. |
Visit the museum out next to the restaurant Old Mill.
http://baja.com/san-quintin/san-quintin-museum-an-interestin...
[Edited on 6-24-2016 by rts551] |
Thank you. I was unaware that a museum was opened. Haven't been to the old mill area since 2011.
A side note. The heir's family of which I mentioned sold the Los Pinos people their land. I think his grandfather did. The grandfather owed the
entire valley at 1 time.
[Edited on 6-29-2016 by fishbuck] |
You will find quiet a bit of early valley history there including a pre-Los Pinos plot map that I donated. (it shows close to Santa Maria a spring
fed fresh water lake that is long gone). The old timers remember it as a swimming hole.
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BajaMama
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Does anyone have the GPS coordinates for this area?
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TMW
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Are you talking about GPS for the stone buildings or the Old Mil?
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fishbuck
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"You will find quiet a bit of early valley history there including a pre-Los Pinos plot map that I donated. (it shows close to Santa Maria a spring
fed fresh water lake that is long gone). The old timers remember it as old swimming hole."
I think I have seen that map. Or a similar one. And that water hole may still be there in a form. I noticed it when looking behind the Santa Maria
Hotel. It's sort of a canal that runs through Los Pinos and a retaining pond.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck | Hi all. I find David's statement about things in Baja being lost to history to be partly true. San Quintin area is a good example.
I also find it somewhat baffling that soo many nomads pile on to insult and criticize David K.
He tries to provide info to people here. And sometimes he includes some insight. Why attack him for that. I appreciare his candor and those of the
others who contribute.
I now live in Everett WA and the library here is full of historical info. I can tell you the name of the very 1st settler and the natives of that
time.
In contrast. I know personally the person who is the direct hier to a family that owned the entire San Quintin valley and still own a sizeable chunk.
Yet the history of the area is very vague and hard to find.
The locals don't care. Most of them anyway. You can't eat history. |
Visit the museum out next to the restaurant Old Mill.
http://baja.com/san-quintin/san-quintin-museum-an-interestin...
[Edited on 6-24-2016 by rts551] |
Thank you. I was unaware that a museum was opened. Haven't been to the old mill area since 2011.
A side note. The heir's family of which I mentioned sold the Los Pinos people their land. I think his grandfather did. The grandfather owed
the entire valley at 1 time.
[Edited on 6-29-2016 by fishbuck] |
Does the name Rafael Orendien or the family name (also spelled) Orendein sound familiar?
In The 1969 Airports of Baja, Arnold Senterfitt writes that family was granted all of the San Quintin Valley, and the area near Cielito Lindo and the
El Presidente (now Misión Santa María) Hotel was the last slice of land owned by the Orendein Family and Rafael has a hotel under construction on it
(1969). This was on the airport runway named Playa de Oro, just south of the Cielito Lindo/ Rancho de la Mañana runway.
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Rafael Orendain
http://www.ensenada.net/historia/vallesq-2.php
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Thanks Harald...
Here's the English of the part that involves Rafael Orendain:
On March 12, 1947 Lic. Miguel Aleman gives the family of Rafael Orendain 130,000 hectares covering the Valle de San Quintin and the old ranch
Santo Domingo, this was the affectation of properties of this family in the state of Jalisco .
1st. December 1974 Luis Echeverría opens the road transpeninsular Benito Juarez coming to change the future of the entire peninsula.
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fishbuck
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Yep
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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more here:
http://www.elvigia.net/el-valle/2014/1/19/repatriados-147435...
Harald Pietschmann
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fishbuck
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Awesome. Seems as though by default BajaNomad is the "library" of alot of Baja history.
Sorrry I sort of hijacked the thread and turned it toward San Quintin.
We'll figure out those San Miguel buildings eventually. Does San Miguel have a museum?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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no museum for San Miguel
the amount of work and the accuracy indicated Mina el Boleo
since none of the locals had the entrepreneurial spirit to produce enough food for the mine workers in Santa Rosalia, the mine operators eventually
started producing food after shipping it in from mainland for a long time.
I know of:
Las Lagunas close to Santa Ana
27°38'40.76"N, 112°39'11.95"W
San Marcos Tierra and San Bruno Tierra
27° 6'2.01"N, 112° 3'25.43"W
San Bruno
27° 9'33.70"N, 112° 9'48.69"W
El Rincon
27° 6'58.00"N, 112° 4'23.31"W
El Mezquital
27° 5'53.70"N, 112° 4'10.00"W
El Caracol
27°41'37.07"N, 112°42'53.06"W
the way the pilas and water canals are constructed points to European engineering, the buildings are wooden and the same style as in Santa Rosalia
I'll look for some pics
Harald Pietschmann
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unedited - no captions (yet):
https://carlosnpainter.smugmug.com/Events/Las-Lagunas-y-El-C...
Harald Pietschmann
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salttram
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Well now I'm just going to HAVE to check out El Caracol . . . thanks Harald, more fresh meat . . .
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