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Quote: Originally posted by Timinator  | There is no doubt, The Wall will be built. Know why, because most the people of the United States want it. Also, illegal immigration into the United
States is out of control; both with visa overstay's and coming over the border illegally. The one thing politicians take an oath to do, is to keep
the boarders secure. It will happen or there will be a civil war and then it will happen. But it's going to happen.
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Agreed. Situations like this are highly upsetting but also preventable..
https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-killing-suspect-fleeing-me...
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | it is remarkable how limited thinkers confuse improving immigration policy and enforcement with building a wall..... the 12th-century solution to a
21st-century problem. |
It's that narrow mindedness that's been their downfall..
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | it is remarkable how limited thinkers confuse improving immigration policy and enforcement with building a wall..... the 12th-century solution to a
21st-century problem. |
The San Diego sector built a wall....dramatic drop in cross border arrests.
"As a result,(of building a wall) illegal entries were reduced by approximately 75 percent"
https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-...
Yuma sector build a wall.....a dramatic drop in cross border arrests.
"Even under lax enforcement standards, apprehensions in fiscal year 2016 were roughly a 10th of what they were
in FY 2005 — and are on track to be even lower this year. Crime has significantly decreased in the
Yuma area, and smugglers now look for other less difficult areas of the border to cross — often areas without fencing"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/22/homeland-s...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | it is remarkable how limited thinkers confuse improving immigration policy and enforcement with building a wall..... the 12th-century solution to a
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It's that narrow mindedness that's been their downfall.. |
It's easy to be narrow minded about illegal immigration, it's illegal, one and done. Easy. Why do we have to "improve" our immigration policy? We
already accept more immigrants legally into the United States every year than the rest of the world combined. What exactly is broken? Only thing I
can see, is the illegal portion, not the legal immigration. But then, I'm just a "narrow minded, limited thinker" and we have you with your vast
intellect to enlighten us.
The tighter we seal the borders the better the country is in every way. The welfare recipients in California alone could fill every "perceived" job
that "only illegals" will do.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Timinator | | Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | it is remarkable how limited thinkers confuse improving immigration policy and enforcement with building a wall..... the 12th-century solution to a
21st-century problem. |
It's that narrow mindedness that's been their downfall.. |
It's easy to be narrow minded about illegal immigration, it's illegal, one and done. Easy. Why do we have to "improve" our immigration policy? We
already accept more immigrants legally into the United States every year than the rest of the world combined. What exactly is broken? Only thing I
can see, is the illegal portion, not the legal immigration. But then, I'm just a "narrow minded, limited thinker" and we have you with your vast
intellect to enlighten us.
The tighter we seal the borders the better the country is in every way. The welfare recipients in California alone could fill every "perceived" job
that "only illegals" will do.
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I'm with you on this. Build that wall!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Timinator | There is no doubt, The Wall will be built. Know why, because most the people of the United States want it. Also, illegal immigration into the United
States is out of control; both with visa overstay's and coming over the border illegally. The one thing politicians take an oath to do, is to keep
the boarders secure. It will happen or there will be a civil war and then it will happen. But it's going to happen.
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WRONG, according to the polls most people in the US do not support the immoral, ineffective, expensive' border wall, as Nancy Pelosi, has called it.
Trump, is an idiot, for closing down the US Government, because the right-wing extreme pundits told him to do so.
When the Federal workers miss there first paycheck, it's going to put so much pressure on Trump, to open the government, over his miscalculation that
closing the border is a winning issue.
Timinator, says there will be a civil war over this issue. HA HA HA, if there is.... you Confederates will lose again.
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Most voters oppose President Trump’s demand for border wall funding, but think that the White House and congressional Democrats should compromise on
funding for the president’s long-promised project, according to a new Harvard CAPS/Harris poll released exclusively to The Hill.
The survey found that 56 percent of respondents do not support the president’s proposal to construct a wall along the southern border, compared to
44 percent who do.
Erecting a broad security barrier along the border is only slightly more popular, according to the poll. Only 46 percent of respondents support that
proposal, while 54 percent oppose it.
A majority of U.S. voters surveyed, 58 percent, said Trump should withdraw his demand for the border funding, while 42 percent said the president
“should not give in."
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423099-poll-majo...
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Staying on topic....in the era of Trump!
This thread is almost unique, Nomads are able to bash or support Trump on a subject that actually matters to all of us who plan on crossing the
border. No need to hijack some other useful thread this time!
By the way, if I am able to cross southbound at Mexicali, how are the repairs to Hwy 5 coming along? 
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Drawing a (Border) Line in the Sand
Quicksand ?
With the specter of 2020 lurking on the horizon, the issue will be settled (temporarily) when the current 47-33-7
polling and (maybe) the Markets move in response. Reelection politics will decide.
Given that Trump has already signaled through his Consigliore that he's willing to cut a deal @ a token down-payment of
$2.5B (or less ?) to allow him a "claim" of victory, one would expect a deal along those lines after quibbling over the wording of
the appropriation. Expectations are HIGH and those new "Progressives" are going to be a restless and irritating bunch.
The bottom line is that BOTH sides MUST have a resolution that they can present as a victory. It's curtains for any DEM coalitions in the new
House if it starts out with Pelosi looking bad.
Republican Senators up for reelection in 2020 are in a better position. IF they can remain looking good while the Scheisse piles up around
D.T.'s ears .....................No Problema ! His base will never LEAVE him and nobody else BELIEVES him.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-poll-shows-high-job-approval-t...
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'Support for President Trump’s border wall hit a record high in a new Quinnipiac University poll Tuesday, but a majority of Americans still oppose
the project, saying it’s a waste that isn’t needed to improve border security"
"The poll found 43 percent do support the wall, but 54 percent oppose it and say it won’t help secure the southern boundary"
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/18/support-tru...
Once FACTS, as posted previously posted on here, the approval ratings for a wall, fence, barrier or the
term de jour of the day, will rise.
FACT is a wall worked as intended, where they were placed.
A wall in areas not yet placed would not? Ok got that.
FACTS are tough to come by these days....
Rather than take a politicians word for it, or a pundits word for it, I take the word of those people on the ground, 7/24 365 who say a wall is ONE
necessary component, of the over arching term of "border security" Or take the word of Joe(aka Jay) they are just brown skinned hating, jackbooted
thugs.
The current situation on the border line is out of control.
FACTS back that up. REFUTE THE FACTS if you will, but there they are, from the horses mouth.....for your viewing perusal.
Polling is notoriously not a reliable, all knowing pulse of the measure of actual support for this or that....
If it was, Hillary would be the President right now.
"Americans still oppose the project, saying it’s a waste that isn’t needed to improve border
security"
Ok....I have a tough time trying to figure out how many more deaths, assaults and smuggled dangerous drugs is enough to get beyond a "waste". And how
many more billions upon billions of dollars, "wasted" in all manners of costs associated with illegal aliens, will it take for Americans to come to
the grips of reality.........
Now that an officer in CA (jackboot, according to Joe, aka Jay)was murdered by a gang banging illegal alien, with 2 priors for DWI, cut loose out of a
lockup and CA law prevents those local lockups from notifiying ICE, the tide will turn.
A legal immigrant(brown skin no less) the kind America wants, murdered by an illegal immigrant, the kind America does not want. Say it.....IRONIC!!!
I suspect (in a moment of "Gumshoe Jay", aka "Joe") that the entire brewhaha is not about border security, but rather a political tool to damage the
Trump brand and give the other 30 or so liberal Presidential candidates an edge in 2020.
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Maybe if Trump closes the border completely everyone will get serious and work to find a real solution to the problem instead if just kicking the can
down the street.
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Modern military tactics 101 versus a medieval wall
If the wall is built, the protective fields of fire are now on our side of the border when the wall is crossed over our breached by a massed hoard.
Innocent Americans now become collateral damage.
The CBP guys don't want the wall exactly for this reason.
As of now the protective and defensive fields of fire are on the Mexican side of the border where it belongs.
The wall is pure political solution, a logical military one is what is now in place.
Mattis & Haley in 2020
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The Superhero Syndrome
Given the FACT that the core constituency of the Trumpian cadre is heavily represented by less-educated average (or under) IQ
Bubba-Boys who are also addicted to the Comic Book Superhero genre, it is no surprise that they embrace for gratification the
visually-satisfying concept of an imposing wall courtesy of their Noir Comic hero.
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El Gato has it right, a wall will do nothing to stop anyone who wants over, around, through, or under it. How many tunnels exist in the border zone
alone, not to mention the possibilities in the vast frontier of the border.
One point nobody makes is the folks with legal credentials of someone else passing entry points with the approval of crooked Border agents on the
take. I know this happens every day. I'm sure the same thing happens with drugs. Yes, U.S. Border agents can be bought.
The Central American immigrants are applying for asylum, seeking Border agents soon after they cross, through a legal entry point or not. The laws of
the country and international norms allow this humanitarian practice. People seeking refuge from dangers where they came from.
Although Mexican immigration for employment reasons has retracted from previous years, many others have made the grueling 5-7 day walk into Arizona,
New Mexico, and Texas frontier. No wall is going to stop them. Although I doubt the fat criminal whom killed the sheriff in California came into the
country that way.
To get a visa to enter the U.S. from Mexico is almost impossible for most folks. Proof of bank accounts, titled property, and/or owning a business are
basic requirements to begin the process. Then it can take years with no guarantee of approval. Not to mention the cost and paperwork required to
obtain a passport.
There is no simple FMM process for these folks. Where you are born means everything.
It wasn't long ago the brasero program allowed Mexican immigrants to go north and do the work nobody else would do. Most these folks went back after
the season was done. Nowadays they stay put. I have an older friend that was part of this program, and had been notified of funds due him from Federal
and State withholding taxes, needless to say he cannot get a visa to go collect, much less afford the effort/journey. Think about all the taxes being
paid into Social Security, Medicare, never to be recovered by the payers.
The entire immigration subject is complicated and needs reform. No way is the "wall" anymore than a simple image for simple minds to grasp as a
solution. There are many other solutions including using 20th century technology in order to secure the border.
Using fear to motivate people for political reasons is nothing new. Claiming that Middle Eastern terrorists are among the Central American immigrants
is a sad, desperate effort at this, with no factual evidence to back it up.
I know very few people in the US that are not a product of immigrants within a few generations at the most. Immigration is what makes the U.S. the
great country it is. Just as the Italians, Irish, Polish, Armenians, Portuguese, Chinese, etc.....were castigated by the immigrants that came before
them, now our neighbors to the south face the same thing.
Besides, whom is going to build "the wall"? Check out the Tom Russell song.
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | Maybe if Trump closes the border completely everyone will get serious and work to find a real solution to the problem instead if just kicking the can
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First you have to ask yourself, can Trump, legally close the border, or is it all bluster, lies and frustration, because the Democrats, won't give him
$5 billion on a down payment on the wall, that Mexico, is supposed to pay for.
Even Judge Andrew Napolitano, from "Fox News' said, "He cannot legally do it."
If you are caught on the US side during a border shutdown, you have constitutional rights to be allowed back in the US. This would quickly go to the
federal courts, who will demand Trump, open the border.
How about the millions of dollars of freight, that crosses daily? You think US business, is going to let Trump, closing the border for long?
The democrats are in the driver's seat, and they will make Trump, blink over this political issue, which is all it is.
At best Trump, could slow the border to a crawl, but he can't shut it down.
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Update, I just read Cancamo, post above, while I was writing my post.
Right on, Cancamo, great post, the wall is just a metaphor, to get the juices flowing among the Trump base, it will never happen, but makes a great
campaign marketing issue for the base..
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Back it up with Claymore mines, set low enough to get ALL the women and kids....Put that on live TV THEN the Bubba boys will be happy.....
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| Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | Back it up with Claymore mines, set low enough to get ALL the women and kids....Put that on live TV THEN the Bubba boys will be happy.....
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The stupid is strong in this post too..
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Thank you BUBBA (I went to school in Pismo Beach)
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Careful there Chuckles or your head might explode.
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