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Imagine that! A drought of biblical proportions and forecast sea rise the same! Perhaps converting sea water back to fresh water could ease both
problems! It’s also worth noting that pumping water uphill is the most efficient way to store electrical power, so it could be a “three for”!
Good Engineering can solve the problems science forecasts, if solving them is your goal!
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Waiting for the ice caps to melt would be like waiting for a mile thick frozen chicken breast to thaw in the fridge. 
That said, it does seem that we are in a bit of a drought. Only 30 years ago the Laguna Salada was full of water. In the 1980's I witnessed the
Friant dam spill, an awesome sight to see the San Joaquin River flow as it once did before the dam diverted all the water for agriculture.
[Edited on 3-4-2022 by bajaric]
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Why not build another 1 or 2 units at the Palo Verde nuke plant and run power down to El Gulfo for a massive set of desalinization plants and pump the
water to the Imperial Valley and Phoenix area?
And build a pipeline from the Snake River to Lake Mead as was originally proposed in the 1960's?
Heck much of the SE is sitting in water much of the year. The technology exists to pump vast volumes over the divide, heck Denver already pumps
massive amounts of water FROM the Colo headwaters to the front range.
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by JZ  | | Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | NOAA has released a study regarding raising sea level . 2 feet by the end of the century.
Remember...science doesn't care what you believe.
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Even if that was true. What is government going to do to change it?
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Govt can use policy and law to encourage decreased emissions of greenhouse gasses.
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RFClark
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Goat,
How about “Government builds infrastructure to turn sea water into fresh water” to help solve the problem rather than telling everyone except
themselves to suck it up, pay more and expect less?
That’s not going to happen is it?
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mtgoat666
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Nobody said taxes prevent greenhouse gas emissions. What are you smoking?
Govt uses laws and regulations to provide order and effect change. Laws and regulations are great. The provide for an orderly economy, a clean(er)
environment, etc.
Corporations just chase dollars, often in harmful ways if corps left to their own devices. Laws and regulations coerce corporations to chase dollars
in the way citizens desire. Vox populi.
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RFClark
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Hay Goat,
What about the government uses the environmental tax money to solve the problem not change the way everyone (except them!) lives? Haven’t heard any
of that!
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | Goat,
How about “Government builds infrastructure to turn sea water into fresh water” to help solve the problem rather than telling everyone except
themselves to suck it up, pay more and expect less?
That’s not going to happen is it? |
And then what? Drink it so that the water levels don't rise?
Oh, I get it. Freeze it and put it back on the Antarctica.
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Sea level has risen 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880.
In 2020, global sea level set a new record high—91.3 mm (3.6 inches) above 1993 levels.
The rate of sea level rise is accelerating: it has more than doubled from 0.06 inches (1.4 millimeters) per year throughout most of the twentieth
century to 0.14 inches (3.6 millimeters) per year from 2006–2015.
In many locations along the U.S. coastline, high-tide flooding is now 300% to more than 900% more frequent than it was 50 years ago.
Even if the world follows a low greenhouse gas pathway, global sea level will likely rise at least 12 inches (0.3 meters) above 2000 levels by 2100.
If we follow a pathway with high emissions, a worst-case scenario of as much as 8.2 feet (2.5 meters) above 2000 levels by 2100 cannot be ruled out.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/...
Seasonal (3-month) sea level estimates from Church and White (2011) (light blue line) and University of Hawaii Fast Delivery sea level data (dark
blue). The values are shown as change in sea level in millimeters compared to the 1993-2008 average. NOAA Climate.gov image based on analysis and data
from Philip Thompson, University of Hawaii Sea Level Center.
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Which satellite was used in 1880... or I guess it was Old Man Peabody and his wood stick?
Seriously...
Even if it raised 8-9 inches in 140 years, so what? That is the way it is, and meanwhile the 15 foot rise (every day) at hightide would never know.
Isn't the moon slowly moving away from the earth? Won't that reduce the height of high tide? Seriously, and just how can humans change the acts of
Nature? What humans can do is move up a bit from the beach to not get wet.
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mtgoat666
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Expensive to "move up a bit." For example, if you have to move La Guardia, Oakland or San Diego airports "up a bit" the cost will run into billions
of dollars. Sea walls or dikes to protect large regions of land cost a pretty penny too.
Take La Guardia. Hurricane Sandy storm surge did a number on it. Imagine if king tides do a number on La Guardia every month in the future 
p.s. range of daily tidal change is irrelevant. what matters is when the high tides get higher due to SL change
What LaGuardia Airport could look like at high tide with 5 feet of sea level rise, an amount that could occur by 2100, according to some estimates.
Credit: Nickolay Lamm/StorageFront interpretation of Climate Central data.
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RFClark
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Goat,
Poor choice La Guardia is one of the worst APOs in the US! 5’ of water would be an improvement.
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Marshall Law
From JZ:
....... "On the Canadian trucker front, today Trudeau came very close to imposing Marshall law on truckers ......"
Was that Marshall Dillon ? Maybe, shoot the Truckers ?
Once again, we have an example where "Spell Checking" can't overcome ignorance.
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Don Pisto
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | From JZ:
....... "On the Canadian trucker front, today Trudeau came very close to imposing Marshall law on truckers ......"
Was that Marshall Dillon ? Maybe, shoot the Truckers ?
Once again, we have an example where "Spell Checking" can't overcome ignorance.
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even better "Marshall Trucker"!
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
John Hiatt
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JDCanuck
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Nice to know we won't have to haul those icebergs down to get more drinking water, nature is doing the job for us. The challenge is dispersing the
excessive desal minerals without poisoning local effluent areas and using the extra solar to accomplish the desalination.
Chile had a decent answer to water needs from solar energy in 1872, 150 years ago:
https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/free-solar-energy/history-o...
Or if you are interested in bypassing government and playing around with something for your own place, there is this:
https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/solar-distillation/horace-m...
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mtgoat666
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Lake Powell is about to drop below a critical level never reached before, as drought rages on
Climate change’s impacts on water in the West may just be a preview of what’s to come.
Around half of the world’s population already experiences severe water scarcity each year in part due to climate-related factors, a major UN report
released Monday said. It also concluded as many as three billion people around the world will experience “chronic water scarcity” under
uncontrolled global warming.
“The drought is pretty baked in,” Mankin said. “My expectation is fully that the American West is going to be in a drought through the rest of
this year, at the very least. To recover from this thing, we’re talking about multiple seasons of above-average precipitation.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/03/us/lake-powell-water-colorado...
San Diego County Embraces Water-Use Efficiencies
Per capita water use in the Water Authority’s service area has fallen from more than 200 gallons per person/day to less than 130 gpcd over the past
15 years. In 2020, total regional use of potable water was about 30 percent less than it was in 1990, even though the regional population grew by 35
percent.
Since 1991, the Water Authority’s water-use efficiency programs and initiatives cumulatively have conserved more than 1 million acre-feet of water.
These savings have been achieved through measures that include incentives on water-efficient devices, legislative efforts, and outreach programs.
(Proof that govt regulations are good, eh?)
https://www.sdcwa.org/your-water/water-use/
drought must be pretty bad if reservoir is drying up despite overall drop in demand…
[Edited on 3-3-2022 by mtgoat666]
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Does not seem fair the Missouri and Mississippi river flood every year and millions of acre millions acre feet of water is dumped into the Gulf. And
the Colorado river flow very low and the area west of the Rockies is in a 1200 year drought. In the four corners area it is the driest in 1400 years.
Seems like all that wasted water should be pumped west to the west slope of the Rockies.
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John Harper
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Unfortunately, increased water efficiency just gives developers an excuse to justify more building, so we're constantly in a situation of having to
conserve and increase efficiency with no end. Every gallon we save just allows more housing developments. It's never saved or conserved.
Like the old saying: "I've learned to do more with less for so long that now I can do anything with nothing."
John
[Edited on 3-3-2022 by John Harper]
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I have read someplace that Baja has 2 large desalination plants being built. Doesn't this seem like the best solution combined with solar power for
the pumping as long as the mineral waste can be disposed of safely? Removing water shed water at source that ocean life depends on seems like a
backwards move with negative consequences.
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