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wessongroup
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Got it, a counter suit ...
Think 53 "posted" he won his case, but I don't believe he post an "image" of the said document
He did post "images" of title and a number of others... related this issue
Ownership of said "site"
Don't know if they are still up ... ya would have to go back through the "whole" Turtle Tread...
That's even too much for me, at this time ... 
we do have some rather clever folks here ... in the examination and/or modification of "documents" .. 
[Edited on 2-26-2012 by wessongroup]
[Edited on 2-26-2012 by wessongroup]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
All I am going to say is that as of this very moment I am on
the side of Rafael Munoz. As far as I am concerned he has proven he is in the right here --Period End of Report!
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Seriously David... He hires thugs with guns and has been a proven liar about the navy having a boat to watch for the 'made-up' drug off loading.
Talk to Nomads who live on Bahia Concepcion who would hear/ see drug running boats going the 20 miles back and forth... Most important, go meet Mark
and Olivia in person. You cannot meet Muñoz there BECAUSE HE IS NOT THERE, nor has been for several years (that is how important it is to him)!
Like you, I tried to be objective and even tried talking to Muñoz to resolve the feud... He was impossible to talk with. His goal is to use force to
bully Mark and Olivia off their place.
When I met and talked to Nomads on Bahia Concepcion, then met Mark and Olivia... I had no doubt who was good and who was bad in THIS dispute. Perhaps
there were bad things done to renters in the past, but that is seperate from their defence of Rafael/ Muñoz's attacks.
[Edited on 2-26-2012 by David K]
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Burbs
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Lots to say, but I can't until later.
This is part of a letter from a relative. I would like to share...
I have been so worried about you and Olivia. That Munos (sp) is such a crazy person. It’s hard to deal with such crazy, unreasonable people.
Especially with all those goons he sends your way. They are so bad and obviously out of their minds on dope or something. I thought it was against
the law to have a gun in Mexico or is it that the criminals can carry the guns and people like you and me cannot protect ourselves and property. Such
is life I guess. I pray each night that the two of you will be ok and that God will keep an eye on you and protect you. You all have worked so hard
for so many years. You deserve better treatment for your kindness to other people . . . . people who needed help, people you’ve given gas to helping
to get people to Mulege for medical attention. What are these people thinking about? I hope they go jail for a long long time for carrying guns,
shooting at your customers, pointing a gun in your face. How horrible for those poor people from Canada and how horrible for our beautiful Baja to
have these Canadians go home with this tale of terror. This ruins our tourism for years to come. Who would come back after being shot at. And after
hearing about this people who have never been to beautiful Baja will never want to come no matter what. A real battle to fight. I hope the law
stands firm on these criminals and show that they have a backbone and will NOT stand for this behavior. We have so many friends here that make the
trip to see the whales each year and keep adding to the group each year. It makes me so proud to talk about the safety we feel about Baja. I don’t
feel that way right now so I say nothing. If they ask me if I’m afraid living in Baja I just say, “I love living here”. But I wouldn’t encourage
anyone to make the trip south until we feel it’s safe. And I know that will happen. The people of Baja need business in their restaurants and
hotels. The government has to work hard to restore the reputation of Baja.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Burbs
Lots to say, but I can't until later.
This is part of a letter from a relative. I would like to share...
I have been so worried about you and Olivia. That Munos (sp) is such a crazy person. It’s hard to deal with such crazy, unreasonable people.
Especially with all those goons he sends your way. They are so bad and obviously out of their minds on dope or something. I thought it was against
the law to have a gun in Mexico or is it that the criminals can carry the guns and people like you and me cannot protect ourselves and property. Such
is life I guess. I pray each night that the two of you will be ok and that God will keep an eye on you and protect you. You all have worked so hard
for so many years. You deserve better treatment for your kindness to other people . . . . people who needed help, people you’ve given gas to helping
to get people to Mulege for medical attention. What are these people thinking about? I hope they go jail for a long long time for carrying guns,
shooting at your customers, pointing a gun in your face. How horrible for those poor people from Canada and how horrible for our beautiful Baja to
have these Canadians go home with this tale of terror. This ruins our tourism for years to come. Who would come back after being shot at. And after
hearing about this people who have never been to beautiful Baja will never want to come no matter what. A real battle to fight. I hope the law
stands firm on these criminals and show that they have a backbone and will NOT stand for this behavior. We have so many friends here that make the
trip to see the whales each year and keep adding to the group each year. It makes me so proud to talk about the safety we feel about Baja. I don’t
feel that way right now so I say nothing. If they ask me if I’m afraid living in Baja I just say, “I love living here”. But I wouldn’t encourage
anyone to make the trip south until we feel it’s safe. And I know that will happen. The people of Baja need business in their restaurants and
hotels. The government has to work hard to restore the reputation of Baja. |
Wow, so true...
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
.... he owns that land and has the only legal title to it. |
And just how do you know this to be true ?
Hopefully not just from the things he has posted; anyone can post anything.
This is my point.
Just how does anyone know anything in this mess.
And what could he possibly hope to accomplish by his continued posts on Nomads ?
He MUST have better things to do (as my wife keeps reminding me).....
Personally, I can make no judgement of the facts in this case; I can only judge the personal conduct of the participants.
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Still waiting for some answers Woosh.
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You are the broken record Diver. The legal info you question has already been posted. Stop asking the same questions over and over. Take the SRA file
number (National land title file) and go look it up yourself.
Raphael has helped dozens of Nomads determine the legality of Mexican land titles. To the best of my knowledge the ONLY people complaining about his
advice, legal help and expertise are involved in this case. I think that is a very important point you don't seem to acknowledge or care about.
In the beginning of this thread we agreed that both parties had conflicting judgments from different courts- agrarian and Federal. That doesn't not
mean Raphael in not the legal owner.
[Edited on 2-26-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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wessongroup
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Who in Mexico has Primacy over land ... the State or the National and/or Federal Government ???
[Edited on 2-26-2012 by wessongroup]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Burbs
Lots to say, but I can't until later.
This is part of a letter from a relative. I would like to share...
I have been so worried about you and Olivia. That Munos (sp) is such a crazy person. It’s hard to deal with such crazy, unreasonable people.
Especially with all those goons he sends your way. They are so bad and obviously out of their minds on dope or something. I thought it was against
the law to have a gun in Mexico or is it that the criminals can carry the guns and people like you and me cannot protect ourselves and property. Such
is life I guess. I pray each night that the two of you will be ok and that God will keep an eye on you and protect you. You all have worked so hard
for so many years. You deserve better treatment for your kindness to other people . . . . people who needed help, people you’ve given gas to helping
to get people to Mulege for medical attention. What are these people thinking about? I hope they go jail for a long long time for carrying guns,
shooting at your customers, pointing a gun in your face. How horrible for those poor people from Canada and how horrible for our beautiful Baja to
have these Canadians go home with this tale of terror. This ruins our tourism for years to come. Who would come back after being shot at. And after
hearing about this people who have never been to beautiful Baja will never want to come no matter what. A real battle to fight. I hope the law
stands firm on these criminals and show that they have a backbone and will NOT stand for this behavior. We have so many friends here that make the
trip to see the whales each year and keep adding to the group each year. It makes me so proud to talk about the safety we feel about Baja. I don’t
feel that way right now so I say nothing. If they ask me if I’m afraid living in Baja I just say, “I love living here”. But I wouldn’t encourage
anyone to make the trip south until we feel it’s safe. And I know that will happen. The people of Baja need business in their restaurants and
hotels. The government has to work hard to restore the reputation of Baja. |
Wow, so true... |
so delusional. They are talking about the nostalgic days of Baja past. Canadians are getting picked off left and right in Mexico. "The naivete of
the hordes of Canadians who toddle off to Mexico on business or on sun and sand vacations, believing they are perfectly safe as long as they don't
hang out with drug lords or go looking for trouble, never ceases to amaze former Windsor resident Keith Doan."
"Maybe comedian Ron James said it best when he marvelled at the guts of Canadians who continue to embrace Mexico in huge numbers: "Mexico is
Afghanistan with margaritas. It's easy to forget you're in a thirdworld kleptocracy when you're sucking back tequila Slurpees during happy hour at
Senor Frog's."
http://tinyurl.com/7ztygm5
btw: It was probably Canadian Bear Spray that started the shooting episode. The author doesn't seem to know who fired first- and it was not
Raphael's people.
[Edited on 2-26-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Angel
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Most Nomads can read through Raphael as he is so easy to read. Looks like Wooosh has a crush on "Mano Negra". Love is blind.
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comitan
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I would NEVER side with a BULLY right or wrong.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Diver
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Wonder how much Ramuna is paying Wooshy to be his supporter/mouthpiece ?
He certainly needs someone more capable than himself to argue in his favor.
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KurtG
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Rafael says Mike George was flying in drugs and running a bordello at Buenaventura. If so I'm very disappointed in Mike and his marketing of said
items. I was around him back in those days and all he ever tried to sell me was a burger and a beer.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Seriously David... He hires thugs with guns and has been a proven liar about the navy having a boat to watch for the 'made-up' drug off loading.
Talk to Nomads who live on Bahia Concepcion who would hear/ see drug running boats going the 20 miles back and forth... Most important, go meet Mark
and Olivia in person. You cannot meet Muñoz there BECAUSE HE IS NOT THERE, nor has been for several years (that is how important it is to him)!
Like you, I tried to be objective and even tried talking to Muñoz to resolve the feud... He was impossible to talk with. His goal is to use force to
bully Mark and Olivia off their place.
When I met and talked to Nomads on Bahia Concepcion, then met Mark and Olivia... I had no doubt who was good and who was bad in THIS dispute. Perhaps
there were bad things done to renters in the past, but that is seperate from their defence of Rafael/ Muñoz's attacks. |
David K,
--Seriously, this is my stand with respect to the documents provided by Rafael, which appear genuine.
I have no problem with someone protecting property with firearms. If one party pepper sprayed a second party who is armed, thank your lucky stars you
were not killed. I would not suggest someone ever pepper spray an armed cop or security guard, because you will be shot and possibly killed. No cop or
security guard will allow someone to disabled them so they can take their firearm and kill them with it. Just try it and see! It is a justifiable
homicide.
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David K
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So you think Olivia started the fight with pepper spray for no reason and that is why the workers pointed guns at her and others and blocked access to
their business, afterwards???
Really???
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Who knows what the real story is since we were not there!
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David K
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Go there, meet the two people who are under attack... ask their Concepcion Bay neighbors...
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MrBillM
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Go THERE ?
Or, Stay Home and just MYOB ?
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wessongroup
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Naw... just another version of Highway 61 ... just change Highway 61 to Mexican 1..
Sam, Howard, Louie the King and others... and 1000 phones that don't ring... out on Highway Mexican 1, with bleachers out in the sun ....
http://web.me.com/wswesson/Wessongroup/Podcast/Entries/2012/...
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ELINVESTIG8R
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No David K I will not be going there. I deal with too much violence now to get mixed up in that violence all the way down there.
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ramuma53
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wessongroup
Who in Mexico has Primacy over land ... the State or the National and/or Federal Government???
The Mexican Constitution is the top law in Mexico as in the USA.
The Mexican Constitution article 27 say that all the land inside Mexico's borders is by origin National property and that private property has to come
from it.
That mean, that originally all the land inside Mexico's borders was National Land and to come out of it, the nation has to issue a National title, and
then it is private property.
My title was issued by the Federal Government, national land office and it came out of National Land and that mean it is Private Property.
One of the qualities of a National land Title is that is not effectable by agrarian actions and that mean that Ejidos cannot grab that land; the logic
is that if the Nation sold that land, it would be illogical that the Government takes that land to create an ejido that is given to ejidatarios for
free.
Estates cannot give away, take or do anything with National Land, any such action would by void by law, also they cannot grab land from a National
Land title like mine.
One of the many requisites needed to issue a National land title is that all ejidos inside a 7 Km. radius, agree that they do not want that land and
Ejido La Purisima did exactly that, signing and stamping its seal on the official document and that mean they agree that my land was not theirs or not
even want it. in a unavoidable consequence, no ejido cantract can affect my property and if that is the case, Olivia’s contract is by force outside of
my property limits and by force she is wrong.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Angel
Most Nomads can read through Raphael as he is so easy to read. Looks like Wooosh has a crush on "Mano Negra". Love is blind. |
nice first post. welcome. You missed the off-topic personal insult area by a click though. btw- blow me.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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