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Bob and Susan
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no they are the WRONG pumps...
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David K
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The pumps can be rigged and the station owner in Santa Rosalia is finally getting his.... Complaints for years.. people, don't be mad, be happy!
Problem is NO COMPETITION, no free enterprise... When socialism (government control over business) squashes the free market, the only way station
owners can increase their income is by cheating. Pemex stations can't even do mechanical work like oil changes or sell tires to help make money... El
Rosario's Pemex owner also owns the motel next door, so that is where he makes enough money without cheating gas customers.
Pemex is the only brand of gasoline sold, so no competition there... and in many small towns only one person owns the Pemex stations (all of them), so
no cross town competition even IF he could set his own prices... to make a fair profit, without cheating.
Pemex couldn't keep any stations open between El Rosario and Guerrero Negro because they were not allowed to raise the price for the remote locations
where no labor force or banking or electricity makes a business much more difficult to operate.
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vandenberg
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Like I stated before, here in Loreto they screw you by about 20%.
Makes your "good" prices much higher then the ones in the States.
Have been getting away with this sha..t for ages.
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vandenberg
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And BTW Bob & Susan, these pumps were installed only last year.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
no they are the WRONG pumps... |
Bob and Susan would it be possible for you to reveal your source for this statement so that I can demand an explanation from my source. I try hard not
to post rumors here and I need to know if my source is not trustworthy.
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Bob and Susan
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it's about privatizing PEMEX...PEMEX is having money problems
it's all about raising prices and making money without government regs
i hate politics but...BIG money here in the USA would love privatizing PEMEX...it would benifit the USA ...big money is SHELL-Texaco-Chevron
did you ever think you would pay $3.00 for gas...NO
a manufactured shortage a few years ago showed that we would do anything for gas....
now to screw-up the PEMEX system and owners in Mexico...let's shut down gas stations so the public will back the movment privatizing PEMEX...
think about it...go out of the box....
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David K
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Wow, talk about wild ideas!! Is your source MoveOn.org or just CNN???
I tell you what, ask Antonio if there is any truth to this... He is the most honest, kindest person in Mexico (or here) I know. And, just so you don't
think he is biased, he doesn't like FOX News (I can't get him to add it to his selection at Baja Cactus)!
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
no they are the WRONG pumps... |
so did some one actually tell you that that is the reason they closed the station in Mulege?
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Bob and Susan
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remember the saying...
"If I told you I'd have to....."
I can't reveal the sources but two people have discussed this issue with me and it sounds reasonable...
David...it's not "wild ideas"...just different...
move away from the "herd" and then take a "look"...
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Bruce R Leech
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most of the stations in Baja sur are going to need to change or up grade there pumps but that is not why they closed the pumps here. the owner of the
stations here in mulege sead there pumps were tampered with and way out of calibration.
Bruce R Leech
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bajalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
it's about privatizing PEMEX...PEMEX is having money problems
now to screw-up the PEMEX system and owners in Mexico...let's shut down gas stations so the public will back the movment privatizing PEMEX...
think about it...go out of the box.... |
Public opinion has virtually nothing to do with decisions like this in Mexico. If it benefits the politicions, then it might happen.
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The latest price I have seen is $2.296 per gallon in Baja at the socialized Pemex. I heard last night on the news that the average price of Unleaded
in the US is $2.50 per gallon. We have free market competition in the States verdad? What's wrong with this picture?
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David K
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Gas in Kuwait is even cheaper!
Mexico has tons of oil....
Where competition is allowed (USA): Shop only at the cheapest stations and just watch the price drop at the others.... Stop buying any gas, and watch
the price drop at all the stations!
In business, you do what you can to stay in business. In a free economy, the customers vote you to stay in business by buying your product!
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Bruce R Leech
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It isnot as simple as some of you think. the Mexican gov. owned monopolies IE pemex and commission for Electricity etc. are
used to supplement the government. this is one reason that taxes can remain low even though Mexico has a very high percentage of people on the
government dole. for example Mulege county receives about 40 times more money from the gov. as it pays in. only Gr. Negro is in the black.
I would rather pay at the pump than to see an income tax imposed on the Mexican worker.
[Edited on 3-29-2006 by Bruce R Leech]
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Fuel situation!
Gotta feed the beast. You gonna walk? Sail? Row? Got a couple of horses, but we don't want to go there.
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Gas in Kuwait is even cheaper!
Mexico has tons of oil....
Where competition is allowed (USA): Shop only at the cheapest stations and just watch the price drop at the others.... Stop buying any gas, and watch
the price drop at all the stations!
In business, you do what you can to stay in business. In a free economy, the customers vote you to stay in business by buying your product!
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David-it's not the gas stations that control the price it's the refineries....and there is no competition there. You can buy gas all you want at Arco
but if the refineries decide to cut back production, prices will rise regardless.
It peeves me to hear the big oil companies talk about supply and demand issues. Usually as the price of a commodity rises, the margins fall due to
competition. But, the oil companies and refineries are able to keep their margins constant even as prices rise due to the lack of competition. Hence
the record profits. I suppose without government interference this will continue on.
Zac
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David K
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Zac, one way the government could help us with gas prices is to knock off the insane taxes placed on every gallon... even taxing a tax in Calif.!
I here the one party crying for big oil to take a cut in their profits (which have always remained near 10% I have read), but they never offer to cut
the governments profit on oil (ie. the taxes they added on).
If you think government is the answer to high gas prices, then ask your government to cut its profiting....
Record profit because the prices are higher... the news only quotes the sales income of the fuel, but never the cost of the fuel sold. They still make
about 10%... It is amazing that they continue to be able to explore for more oil or improve the product at that margin.
[Edited on 3-28-2006 by David K]
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Zac, one way the government could help us with gas prices is to knock off the insane taxes placed on every gallon... even taxing a tax in Calif.!
I here the one party crying for big oil to take a cut in their profits (which have always remained near 10% I have read), but they never offer to cut
the governments profit on oil (ie. the taxes they added on).
If you think government is the answer to high gas prices, then ask your government to cut its profiting....
Record profit because the prices are higher... the news only quotes the sales income of the fuel, but never the cost of the fuel sold. They still make
about 10%... It is amazing that they continue to be able to explore for more oil or improve the product at that margin.
[Edited on 3-28-2006 by David K] |
Well you're starting to compare apples to oranges. If there were true competition among refineries, the margins would have to come down. Think about
it, if there was no competition in the auto industry, we'd being paying top dollar for crappy cars and trucks. Instead, margins have come down and
the quality has improved. There is competition among the stations selling the gasoline and hence there are price differences, although slight.
As for the tax situation, that's a whole other topic. Maybe if you offer a kickback to some politicians, they might reduce the taxes you mention
Zac
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David K
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Yup that's a good one!
How's the new Tacoma doing?
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yup that's a good one!
How's the new Tacoma doing? |
Couldn't be happier with it...getting ready for a quick trip to Gonzaga Easter week.
I'd rather be ripped off at a Pemex in Baja than honest fill-up in the States.
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