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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Building wisely is not building ground level on a flood plain. What's so hard about that to understand?    |
it could be Look at Sharkbajas place that place took the full brunt of the flood and is in pretty good shape. all he needs is to shovel it out and he
has a house.
you can engineer a house to withstand almost anything if you build wisely. and don't cut corners like they did on the house next to him that was
flattened.
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Sharksbaja
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rebar, backfill, tie-downs, anchors.
No Hook, full title with federal concessions to the rio. Some do lease from Roberto. Most lease thru the office there as residences cannot assume
corporate role. I don't know if some people have multiple units which could be assets for a bonafide corp.
[Edited on 9-14-2006 by Sharksbaja]
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Viva Mulege!
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Do you mean up in the desert away from the Rio and shade or do you mean like; build a stout house with a high loft? Curious. |
Wisely: In the Rio.
1) Base structure hella strong.
2) Maybe a curling diverting wall. (I'm only mentally engineering it now)
3) Not building a monument to myself
4) I will not be a pack rat so I can empty house quick.
5) Use a range, refrigerator, water heater, and A/C that are easy to move and installed with that in mind.
6) Always have my Motorhome ready as it is now!!
7) have a box trailer ready so your belongings can keep it from blowing away.
8) You could use quick release hinges on your man doors.
I could go on and on, but you get the ideal. There still going to be loss, but you cannot worry about that.
The real thing you should worry about is getting lazy during hurricane season. If you see anything like whats coming up the pike now(Lane) get your
butt moving. If you cannot look at it as an adventure, then maybe it is not for you.
BTW nails are not good learn to screw everything.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
What about the lease/title issue? How much does being committed to a lease affect your thinking? Is it so much that you really cant walk away? I
haven't a clue what land is like down by the river, in terms of cost. |
I don't think it is something material, more a commitment to a life style. Just MHO, because I don't now reside there.
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Do you mean up in the desert away from the Rio and shade or do you mean like; build a stout house with a high loft? Curious. |
Wisely: In the Rio.
1) Base structure hella strong.
2) Maybe a curling diverting wall. (I'm only mentally engineering it now)
3) Not building a monument to myself
4) I will not be a pack rat so I can empty house quick.
5) Use a range, refrigerator, water heater, and A/C that are easy to move and installed with that in mind.
6) Always have my Motorhome ready as it is now!!
7) have a box trailer ready so your belongings can keep it from blowing away.
8) You could use quick release hinges on your man doors.
I could go on and on, but you get the ideal. There still going to be loss, but you cannot worry about that.
The real thing you should worry about is getting lazy during hurricane season. If you see anything like whats coming up the pike now(Lane) get your
butt moving. If you cannot look at it as an adventure, then maybe it is not for you.
BTW nails are not good learn to screw everything. |
Please be our neighbor.....
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Bruce R Leech
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yes Corky If you could get him to build on that empty lot just to the west of you he would brake the water for your house.
Bruce R Leech
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Sharksbaja
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shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Al G
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I won't tell anyone!
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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SharonT
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Our house in the Oasis, a block off the river, withstood the flood just fine. That is the house, but not everything inside. This is the first time
in 20 years any damage or flooding.
So, yes, we will clean up and restock. We are shopping garage sales to replace the inside possesions, but that is how we furnished in the first
place.
We consider ourselves lucky to have the means to replace. Yes, we have insurance, but we would come back anyway.
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cat127
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
you can engineer a house to withstand almost anything if you build wisely. and don't cut corners like they did on the house next to him that was
flattened. |
Actually cut the corners literally.... round shape will withstand water pressure more than than square........
-Cat
[Edited on 9-16-2006 by cat127]
Fate Smiles as Destiny laughs!
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Skeet/Loreto
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Sharks:
Keep up the Good Works!
Live your Life as everyday as if it was your Last Day!
ADVENTURE- In your mind, do not let Fear of the Future Control your Life.
For some, living in Mulege-Baja Sur, means the fullfillment of Their Dreams,for others the Escape from Reality.-No matter, Just Live.
The Material things can be replaced, the Adventure can bring you Peace.
As I sit here on my Computer reading the words of all of the Adventureous Souls, my Heart and Mind are with you.-An Ole Timer who shares with you
those Trials of Life,wishing I could be There once again!! But as my Mother use to tell me:
"If Wishes Were Horses we would All Ride to Town"
God Bless All who Ride and Walk!
Skeet/Loreto
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capn.sharky
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If you are going to build along an arroyo or a river, I would build an ark. Here in Upland I have seen the mountains on fire many times. As soon as
it is put out, the idiots move back and build again. They are fine until the next fire comes. Same goes for Mexico. Why build where you know you
will be flooded out --- sooner or later. Just my opinion......
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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toneart
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Being that this string has been revisited, I have decided to weigh in. Maybe I can answer some of the questions.
Several issues have been brought up:
Some are issues specific to living along The Mulege river. Other issues are general, such as the psychology of building or rebuilding in a potential
disaster zone....like "What in the hell were you thinking"?
Then there is the even more specific issue of rebuilding in The Orchard.
The Orchard was and is an actual orchard. About 20 years ago it was bought by Roberto Saucedo and made into an RV Park. This was accomplished while
actually saving many of the original trees and planting new trees. He told me that he bought it as a business for his parents to operate. Roberto, his
mother and sister still live there.
When the Jesuits first settled there and built the mission over 300 years ago, they brought seeds from Spain and planted the Date Palm trees that are
so prevalent today. They grow in forests along the river. They are absolutely breathtaking. It is amazing to see such an oasis of palm and fruit trees
along a beautiful river teeming with pelicans, herons and jumping fish. This is in a desert!!! The mouth of the river, a half mile downstream, flows
into the Sea Of Cortez.
Roberto is a dreamer and a visionary. However, his business acumen is a topic that will not be discussed here. Roberto designed and built some very unique houses along the river and later continued around the property,
eventually circling the orchard. One of those houses on the river is Corky's (Sharksbaja). I don't know why his house withstood total destruction
while the house next door didn't. I think the house next door was not as well built...that is, less steel. It also was the first house to take the
hit, backing up to vacant land which became the new river course. Many houses along the river survived while others were destroyed.
About four years ago Roberto began to fill the interior of The Orchard with casitas which were a new design. These were being built in what were large
RV spaces. They were beautiful. They were built of cinderblock fortified with lots of rebar. The exteriors were stuccoed and the interior walls were
plaster. They had tile floors, custom cabinets, decorative tile and an upper story loft that is quite roomy. The casitas were tall, with pointed,
red-tiled roofs. During the flood the river went right through these as well. Mine is one of the new casitas. It had 10 feet of standing water inside;
nasty, muddy fecal filled water that stood in there for 24 hours before receding and leaving two feet of mud inside. I only got to live in mine for
four months.
All houses suffered extensive damage from the muddy water. Those who were there said "a thirty foot wall of water, carrying debris from houses
upriver, boats, RVs, trailers, refrigerators, propane tanks,horses, cows, pigs, fish and sewage slammed into our houses", and ruined everything inside
and outside, however many of the structures are still there.
Why rebuild? The structures are still there. They are getting cleaned out and refurnished. Many people, including myself had insurance. It was very
inexpensive and included flood coverage. The fact that it was so inexpensive was a calculated risk by the insurance company. There hadn't been a flood
of any great consequence since 1957, and then there were no houses, or at least, not any of the houses that are there now.
Roberto speaks fluent English with all the American idioms and practically no accent. He understands our culture. He was from Tijuana and had
schooling in San Diego. And.....he is a charmer!
Yes, he sold us houses in a flood plain. There was no mention of the potential of a flood of this magnitude. There was some flooding three years ago
and brought mud into the houses, but they were all easily cleaned out. I truly believe that Roberto didn't believe that there would be a flood like
this one that came with Hurricane John. He had his own house, his mother's house and his rentals and....his life there.
These new houses he built were beautiful and very reasonable. It was a package deal and included a fideocomiso for the land portion. He had made a
legal subdivision so each lot was a separate parcel.
Mulege itself is still an unspoiled Mexican town....yes there are many gringos, and lots of tourists, and it is right on Highway 1. But it is not
built up as a resort. It has unbelievable beauty and great fishing. There are some great restaurants as well as great taco stands. The locals really
are not all that impressed with us gringos. They don't make many concessions to our lifestyle. They just go about their business much the same way
they always have.
Well, you just can't walk away from a place like this. It is a calculated risk, but what are the chances? I figure I got the bad luck over with in the
first year. It may happen again next year, or in a hundred years, but who knows if I will still be kicking....or for that matter....will any of us the
way things are going outside of Mulege? Looking at the rest of the world, I think I'll take my chances right here, come hell or high water.
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Summanus
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Of course people will always build along the water...whether it's on a tsuami beach or the Old Miss. What's to explain?
Ah..the Orchard history saga. Here is some Orchard history trivia for you. Does anyone remember the name, Lydell?..and what happened to him?
Summanus....ancient Roman Nightly Thunder God. He liked refrieds too.
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Phil S
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My grandparents built on a river in Oregon. They went through I think 5 floods in the 55 years they lived in the house. Always having to clean up
somewhere around two to three feet of mud each time. Plus a daylight basement she used as a canning room. My parents built twice on different rivers
for a vacation home. Each flooded several times over the years. Mentality was clean it up & move back in. The quality of living on the river
far exceeds the occational 'inconvenience'. In l978 I built on a river, and saw many "scary" times. Almost to the foundation. Never once did I say,
"I'm getting out of here". Lived there 20 years. My brother bought a home on the same river. Several years prior it had three feet of water in it.
Didn't stop him from buying the home. Though the water has covered the floor once since, he's still living there. Three friends from my home town
bought property on the Rio Mulege. One built a new home. Another remodeled a home. Another bought one in an r.v. park. The last one went through
the 3 years ago flood with four feet of water I believe.. Cleaned it up & moved back in. This time there was 10 feet of water. Causing his roof
to collapse from the weight of the mud as the water receded. Everything in the home was destroyed. BUT, they have cleaned it out. Rebuilt the roof
structures, and will be moving back in soon. Bajasharks knows the reason why we do it. Guess we are 'risk takers'. Others are more conservative
& are not 'risk takers'. Believe me. It is not "fun" to have to clean up after a flood. But!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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abreojos
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Now this is the perfect place for the don't invest any more than you can afford to loose philosophy. Even if you can get cheap insurance that covers
just about everything, you still loose the use of your home for awhile. The river is a real gem among the desert and Mulege definatly offers a lot of
quality services and great people.
How did that really cool house with the palms sticking through the roof by the bridge fair the flood? I haven't been up there this year.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Summanus
Of course people will always build along the water...whether it's on a tsuami beach or the Old Miss. What's to explain?
Ah..the Orchard history saga. Here is some Orchard history trivia for you. Does anyone remember the name, Lydell?..and what happened to him?
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knew him well
he was Deported
Bruce R Leech
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toneart
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I didn't want to go there with negativity because it would hijack the direction of this string.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
| Quote: | Originally posted by Summanus
Of course people will always build along the water...whether it's on a tsuami beach or the Old Miss. What's to explain?
Ah..the Orchard history saga. Here is some Orchard history trivia for you. Does anyone remember the name, Lydell?..and what happened to him?
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Stickers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
My Mulege Casita
http://media.pixpond.com/10lbxzo.jpg
I have been tryng to post this photo for a long time. I have downsized it. I have tried to copy and paste. I have tried through Mozilla Firefox and
got a popup saying it only works in Explorer. So I tried it through Explorer. Cannot copy and paste. I have uploaded it to pixpond and this is the
best I have been able to do. I want it to be larger here. How do you do that and still comply with the downsizing rules?
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Looks beautiful but very very little. 
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
My Mulege Casita
http://media.pixpond.com/10lbxzo.jpg
I have been tryng to post this photo for a long time. I have downsized it. I have tried to copy and paste. I have tried through Mozilla Firefox and
got a popup saying it only works in Explorer. So I tried it through Explorer. Cannot copy and paste. I have uploaded it to pixpond and this is the
best I have been able to do. I want it to be larger here. How do you do that and still comply with the downsizing rules?
Waahhh! I want my former avitar back.
[Edited on 12-22-2006 by toneart]
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Looks like you have posted the image adress of the picture's thumbnail, not the pictue.
Sorry I have a Mac so I can't help you step by step (unless you have a mac too).
First, open up the picture in a photo application (program). Many of today's digital pics are huge, use this photo program to lower the size of the
pic so it fits in a post. Try to make the file size smaller too, not as small as BajaNomad rules, but maybe 75-150 k.
Then upload the pic to a picture hosting site. Do not attach to your post. You can keep many pictures on these sites and they make a good backup for
storing pictures, refering friends to pictures, posting pictures, etc. Google "picture hosting" and you'll find a bunch. Some are free, some charge a
small fee.
OK, once you have the picture on the photo host board, you need to get the picture's address. I get mine by first clicking on the pic on the photo
host site to bring up the full size pic from the thumbnail. Then, I right-click on the pic, and find the address. Some browsers, when you right click,
give you the option to "copy image address." That works. Or, "get image properties" and among those properties is the image address. Or, "open image
in new window" and then copy the address on the address bar at the top of the browser.
OK, now that you have that address, on your bajanomad "post reply" page there is an icon that looks like this:
Click on it, and paste or type your address into the field. That's it.
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