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Dave
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WTF???
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You and your buddy Dave should humble yourselves. |
I'm not your opponent here. Go back and reread my posts.
What we should be discussing is not whether these kids should be tipped/paid but the fact that they are WORKING. 
It's against Mexican law. The minimum age is fourteen, period. It's in the friggin' constitution.
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jerry
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well dennis now that your finished jawing i still think your opinion is wrong and i think mexico should be able to decide for mexico no need for us
greengo to screw it up like we did in the USA
jerry and judi
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DENNIS
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Dave ---
I didn't get from all your posts that you weren't my opponent. I got from none of your posts that you were my ally. I seem to be hearing more
supportive opinions now. I wont back down on this.
I agree with your analysis whole-heartedly....Why are they working? That's a philosophical question. Economic as well, for sure.
My question remains as it was when this started....Why can the stores work anybody without paying them?
By the way... Mexico changes their constitution more often than we change our shorts.
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jerry
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dennis you said you were done jawing about it so are you a man of your word
in my opinion liberals like you have made a mess of the USA mexico doesnt need your help
repeating your self over and over will not change anyones mind
it makes me thing of some old saying about a empty barrell??
and some people like to hear there head rattle
jerry and judi
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It seemed to me that they were bagging groceries after school....is that NOT the case???
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DENNIS
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C'mon Larry..............
You know you twisted that out of shape.
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DENNIS
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jerry ==========
If I'm a liberal....... you're a Rhodes Scholar
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Pretty clear to me
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Why can the stores work anybody without paying them?
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Because they can???
Why else??
(Betta late than never.:rolleyes
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Dave
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Article 123-A-III
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
It's against Mexican law. The minimum age is fourteen, period. It's in the friggin' constitution. |
Oh, oh-- looks like we may have a fact here.  Happen to know the article?
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Skeet/Loreto
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Dennis:
You are evading my Question like Houdini:
Why should I who work and save my money give Half of my Wealth to those that will not Work.???
For Love
For Hate
For Safety-
Or just because in you OPINION , I should work my Butt off so that you can Change the World to your Twisted Ideas of what you think is RIGHT???
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DENNIS
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You shouldn't. If I had my way, I would abolish welfare.
Where are you getting any idea that I would support a welfare state? What have I said that would lead you to believe this?
When did "welfare" creep into this conversation?
Was it when I suggested that people who work should be paid by the person who hires them?
C'mon Skeet .........You can do better than that.
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This is a great thread. Keep it going!!
Some of the comments remind me of a Marxist History Professor I had in college.
I expect that some will be quite happy with Hillary as President with her "redistribution of wealth".
I hope you're not counting on Social Security to pay for your Pacificos while in Baja!
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
Which explains something I ran into repeatedly in the stuff I saw on the web; that many companies only "hire" cerillos in the age span of 14 to 16
years, and once they reach 16 they have to move on and make room for the newcomers.
Thanks-- Larry |
With regard to the young bag boys/girls I think you're seeing a pre-cerillo program and here's how I think it works:
A large majority of the parents of these kids either work for the stores or are tight with union bosses.
Since the States are responsible for enforcing labor law and typically surrender this responsibility to unions, the unions can do whatever they want.
Store owners love it because they don't have to pay wages or benefits (illegal anyway) and are shielded by unions from government interference. (I
would also guess that these are white unions.)
These are plum jobs for the kids/familes. Extra (nontraceable/taxable) income and a fast track to cerillo and beyond.
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Dave
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Well said
| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Jorge
When you buy foods produced in Mexico you buy foods produced in a country whose government makes no effort to promote education as a means to an end,
only a government which promotes the end of education in the 6th grade.
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jerry
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yea right lets boycot everything from mexico and starve the poor bastereds to death
that way they will have the revolution that we think they should have and be as f*cked up as the USA
who the hell apointed the gringo to decide what mexico should be like??
PLEASE LET MEXICO ALONE
jerry and judi
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Barry A.
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At the risk of catching everybodies wrath-----
-------For the first 20 years, or so, in the 50's and 60's and 70's, when I was visiting Baja very often out of San Diego, the "appeal" of Baja was
it's natural primitiveness, it's wonderful "happy" people both on the coast and inland on the ranchos, and it's totally "unspoiled" Mexican
atmosphere!!
It never occurred to me to LIVE there----it was just such a wonderful place to "unwind", and camp and explore to my hearts content.
Then development started, mainly spurred on by Gringos, which brought in Mainland Mexican's for the supposed "opportunities" the development promised
and, of course more Gringo's-----like a very slow moving snowball!!
I repeat: 50 years ago it seemed to me that the Baja people by and large were pretty darn happy, and lived within their means, using what they had to
survive, but again, very HAPPY!!!
Do you really think that our "spending money" down there has helped the people???? Maybe so, but I wonder!!!!!
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
I hope you're not counting on Social Security to pay for your Pacificos while in Baja! |
That's the specific part of my income we keep for Pacificos
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Larry, I did some checking around myself about the cerillos and I found out that some of the big stores in Cabo and San Jose charge the kids to work
there. I heard it was 50 pesos a day (they take the money from the kids at the end of each shift) and if a kid cannot pay, he doesn't work the next
day. Kinda like old time dock workers in the U.S.
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Barry A; Good Words.
When I arrived in Loreto in Oct. 1968 Imet and observed people with nothing but a cardboard shack around them, Happy good Natured, hard working,
Smiling and lliving the good Life--so to Speak?
I fell in love with the People and their ways, the Sea of cortez etc.
I decided to move and live there for that reason. Later, in the past 10 years or so the "newbies" started arriving-those that wanted to change the
Mexicano to their Way of Life.
Building big houses on the Beach then closing off the Beach to the Mexicano People--Bringing in DOPE, DEMANDING SERVICES, NUDITY{ The Nude beach at
the old Presidente Hotel}, and many other ways of life from the States
I will say again that I think many of those "Kids working the Fields of Baja and the Stores, will grow up to out do many of the Kids in the States
I met and knew many more Baja People with no money who had CHARACTER something that is missing among some of the people of the States.
Dennis, if you are to Judge, remember that CHARACTER is much more important than Wealth.
Skeet/Loreto
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I'll remember that and pass it on to the next homeless person I see.
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