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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 07:02 AM
ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT ME?


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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 07:13 AM


Hey Diver,

An incredibly insightful and profound Nomad posted this on another thread:

Some quick googling and simple arithmetic indicates that 5% of the population is here illegally and the annual cost to the American taxpayer is one half of one percent (0.5%) of what the US Treasury department collects in taxes every year.


Facts open to debate:

number of illegal immigrants is tough to know, let's say 15 million

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0516/p01s02-ussc.html

population of the US: 302 million:

http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html

15/302*100 = 5% of population illegally here

cost of illegal immigration: 10 billion per year

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

gross taxes collected by treasury (2003):

1,969,648,000,000 (that's close to 2 trillion)

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-128253003.html

10,000,000,000/1,969,648,000,000*100 = 0.5%
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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 07:43 AM


Quote:
Originally posted by oldhippie
Hey Diver,

An incredibly insightful and profound Nomad posted


I read Al's post and thought it was a nice story.
As I stated, this is the situation in our local area.
Spread it over the US and the numbers are less; we pay for the impact locally.
Isn't that what Skeet asked ??

As for who does the work; LEGAL immigrants, either Mexican or others.

And I didn't see any crime stats in Al's story either.
Anyone know how many illegals are in our jails ?
Anyone know the crime stats for these groups by population ?
(Way higher than their population perentage.)
Check it out, you will be enlightened.

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[Edited on 6-1-2007 by Diver]
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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 08:34 AM
ha!!!


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Fishbuck,

Somebody said somewhere on this website that there are 2 categories of Americans in Mexico, the wanted and the unwanted.

Maybe vice-versa is also true? ;D

Tortillas and frijolies refritos do make for pudgy people, as do big macs.

Capt. Mike, sneaking into baja? Are you going to walk south through the desert? Please swim south around the fence at Imperial Beach into Tijuana so I can take a picture.


i would but the water smells funny there.:wow:
no, i am flying in. i have a new tuberclulosis screening device i want to walk thru next to my parking spot and check it out.:lol::lol::lol:




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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 09:00 AM


OMG!!! I see some insensitive, outrageous, sexist and most of all RACIST! RACIST! RACIST! RACIST! comments. I truly hope this fish stays away from Baja.



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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 11:23 AM


Quote:
Originally posted by Diver


Anyone know how many illegals are in our jails ?






Who would know? It's probably a violation of their constitutional rights to ask.
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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 12:17 PM
Fishback: Trolling for attention here cuz I get none at home...


Quote:
Originally posted by fishbuck

So I stand by my right to like beautiful women instead of ugly ones(they hurt my eyes). And Lee feel free to call me a racist or sexist or any other derogatory words you can think of. It's your right.
God Bless America!

[Edited on 6-1-2007 by fishbuck]

[Edited on 6-1-2007 by fishbuck]



Nothing personal here fish. Disrespect Mexican women, or others, and I"ll point out to everyone what a slimeball I think you are.

Link websites like Grassfire to this forum, and I'll call it racist and hate filled, and if you identify with that, knock yourself out.

As for stirring the pot, or trolling for attention, you'll get the short version from this point, and if I think you've crossed the line, I"ll click on the ''report'' button. No problema, amigo. That form of censorship seems to work from time to time. If nobody responds to your drivel, it might be that they haven't got the time to address a troll. Guess it takes all kinds. I see that in Baja. Those less wanted. What can any of us do to help you?

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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 12:18 PM
Dennis


Yes! I do but, remember, numbers don't matter.

I will pass this information along.......Should all of the illegal aliens be deported back to Mexico there would be no over crowding nor any need to build additional prisons in California for many years.




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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 02:06 PM


Quote:
Originally posted by Lee
Quote:
Originally posted by fishbuck

So I stand by my right to like beautiful women instead of ugly ones(they hurt my eyes). And Lee feel free to call me a racist or sexist or any other derogatory words you can think of. It's your right.
God Bless America!

[Edited on 6-1-2007 by fishbuck]

[Edited on 6-1-2007 by fishbuck]



Nothing personal here fish. Disrespect Mexican women, or others, and I"ll point out to everyone what a slimeball I think you are.

Link websites like Grassfire to this forum, and I'll call it racist and hate filled, and if you identify with that, knock yourself out.

As for stirring the pot, or trolling for attention, you'll get the short version from this point, and if I think you've crossed the line, I"ll click on the ''report'' button. No problema, amigo. That form of censorship seems to work from time to time. If nobody responds to your drivel, it might be that they haven't got the time to address a troll. Guess it takes all kinds. I see that in Baja. Those less wanted. What can any of us do to help you?

:cool:


Wow, Lee you must be psychic. I live alone so no not much attention at home. Yes I do have some spare time to play on message boards because I'm recuperating from a broken shoulder.
I'm sensing some hostilty from you. Maybe when you called me a "slimeball" was when I noticed. What is that exactly?
I hope it's not bad because I might have to report you for saying something I don't like.

Lee you are quite the noble defender of mexican women. Good for you. I guess that's your cause. You know like GrassFire. We all have our causes don't we?

You want to help me?. Okay I could use the address of a really good brothel in baja.
Thanks in advance Lee




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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 02:15 PM


Might I say, as an ole Texas Cowboy, that has benn Dacin and Lovin all Styles, Shapes and Forms of Women That:

BEAUTY IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER!!!!!!

Thanks again, you Posters have brought forth what I intended, that is the Personal Harm caused by Mexicanos, but did you notice that most of the Emotional Harm stated always concerned MONEY?

I contend that the Many Mexicano coming to this Country has been a good thing and will even be proven to be a better thing for our Country in the Future.
I think that the Illegal problem will be solved, but ILLEGALS were not suppose to be part of this Post.

How about some reports on the Good, Positive things that you Personally know?
Meantime, I am headed to the Coors World Ranch Rodeo to watch the Ranch Hands, Drink some Beer{Coors which I dislike} notice some Skinny and Plump Cowgirls doing Barrell Racing, and enjoying my Life with Friends.

Smoked Brisket, Chicken Fried Steak, Beans and Gravy and some Great Calf Fries! Wish you were all here to enjoy it with me.

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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 02:15 PM
Defender of Mexican women. Hey! I like it!


Quote:
Originally posted by fishbuck
Wow, Lee you must be psychic. I live alone so no not much attention at home. Yes I do have some spare time to play on message boards because I'm recuperating from a broken shoulder.


Wow. Sorry to read that. Guess you have time on your hands. I've heard that injury is painful. Hope you're on meds? Bump it up some?

Honesly, I'll cut you some slack. Only have one cause in life right now and it's chilling in Baja. Me trimming at 9 Palms, or enjoying the crowds at Old Man (Costa Azul).

All I know is this: disrespect women and you're disrespecting someone's mother or sister. In the roads I travel, you wouldn't last long. Just an observation.

Not looking for another friend, amigo, but I'd still buy you a beer -- in Baja. Get well soon. My Mexican friends might find you interesting.

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[*] posted on 6-1-2007 at 05:08 PM


Skeet--we've been enjoying brisket all week--smoked us up a big one over Pecan and washed it down with Shiner!
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[*] posted on 6-2-2007 at 06:56 AM


Aguera:
Would you Please start another Thread and Define "Racist" or "Racism".

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[*] posted on 6-3-2007 at 11:56 AM


Although I'm new and recently registered I've been reading these forums for quite a while and personally am a little shocked at the Animosity & Hostility shown to members who voice an opinion others dont deem politically correct.

Stating fact's or their opinions doesn't necessarily make them Racist or Sexest, many times It's just simply the truth.
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[*] posted on 6-3-2007 at 12:17 PM


Quote:
Originally posted by Bajajack
Although I'm new and recently registered I've been reading these forums for quite a while and personally am a little shocked at the Animosity & Hostility shown to members who voice an opinion others dont deem politically correct.

Stating fact's or their opinions doesn't necessarily make them Racist or Sexest, many times It's just simply the truth.


Whereas I agree with your premise, which supports free speech, I would like to offer this observation:
When you read this forum for awhile you become familiar with attitudes and prejudices of frequent posters. Patterns begin to emerge that you can stitch together. Racism, sexism, sensitivity, arrogance, thought police, etc. all become apparent. They go with the territory. I believe that most here are expressing their personal truths. :smug:
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[*] posted on 6-3-2007 at 02:56 PM
Hey Skeet --


Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Aguera:
Would you Please start another Thread and Define "Racist" or "Racism".

Skeet


I'll start a thread on racists and racism but only if you jump in too. Maybe you ought to start it.

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[*] posted on 6-3-2007 at 07:02 PM


Lee: No You start It! I have done enough Harm for One Thread.

I have never yet had those two Words Defined: Maybe that we have smeone who can Try.

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thumbdown.gif posted on 6-3-2007 at 07:58 PM
Politically Correct


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Hey, Lee my friend.....

Fishbuck shouldn't go anywhere just because you don't agree with him. He should stay right here and express himself, more, in my opinion.
Where do you come off telling people how they should express themselves?
Is that the American way you espouse? My way or the highway?
What insulting crap. I'm surprised it came from you.

While I really feel Fishbuck's comments are deplorable ..... I absolutly support his right , no, his duty to express his views ........ I just finished fifteen years in the Political Correctcrap of the Dizney company and I am sick of people being told what to say ...... That's my rant. CaboRon



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[*] posted on 6-3-2007 at 08:03 PM


"Politically Incorrect" is a truth that peees too many people off.:spingrin:
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[*] posted on 6-3-2007 at 08:18 PM


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"Politically Incorrect" is a truth that peees too many people off.:spingrin:
TRUTH As in a proven theorum? I'm not sure I am understanding you. CaboRon:?:



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