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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Dennis, Have lived in the land of "we'll pay you whether you work or not". The grocery stores charged everybody the same, only some folks didn't need
cash, they paid with govt. issued food stamps. We all ate well, but the "stamp crew" could afford stuff I couldn't. Something about those stamps and budgets don't mesh. |
Yeah ............ Isn't it great? We work our asses raw to pay for a system that gives free food privileges to some who need and deserve it and,
lots of them who don't.
With food stamps, you can buy caviar but you can't buy paper to wipe your butt. I guess you have to eat caviar in moderation so as not to cause
distress to the freeby system.
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DENNIS
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Woody ----
Everything you said up there breaks my heart 'cause I know it's true.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
try getting a job in San Diego in the construction industry while 35 "mexicans, for lack of a proper political description" swarm a jobsite to fight
over ONE JOBand then head back to TJ at 3:30, thereby spending ZERO dollars in this economy.
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Hey woody, is the construction company hiring illegal immigrants? If so your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at the American law breakers.
If they are legal, isn't the company withholding payroll taxes? If not you anger is misplaced. It should be directed at the American law breakers.
Have you ever noticed the number of Mexicans shopping at the Chula Vista Walmarts? It doesn't appear that all the money is going south, if that really
matters anyway.
In my line of work (computer programming) there are 100s of people from all over the world competing for a single job. So what? Sure it makes landing
a job more difficult, but such is life.
Don't begrudge a man or woman because they want to work.
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your right. the chula vista costco is full of mexicans. just like the one in rose canyon is full of whites. demographics. ...
i know everyone wants to eat! i just took offense to being lumped in with people cypress knows.
but, i speak from experience on the 35-1 issue. drive downtown san diego at 6.30 am and you'll know what i mean. i realize it's the business owner is
mostly at fault for hiring unqualified labor... maybe a cheap shot on my part?
where's the fence????
[Edited on 6-22-2007 by woody in ob]
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I wouldn't think illegals would take a chance on commuting to and from Mexico on a daily basis.
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lou
try not to read between the lines.....re-read what i said. never did i say "illegal"......
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I don't like the fence idea, but the dislike is more philosophical than practical. No doubt they accomplish to some degree what they're supposed to.
Hopefully someday fences won't be needed.
I just walked along the beach to the fence. Have to admit I pushed a Tecate beer can through the fence to the US side. The litter in TJ gets to me
sometimes.
There's a lookout area at the very northwest corner of Mexico, here in Playas. Modern restrooms, a beach shower, and in the afternoon vendors selling
food from pushcarts. It's quite a tourist attraction for Mexicans visiting TJ for whatever reason. The ugly rusty wall is right there, and since the
lookout area is elevated, you can see as far as the atmosphere permits into the US. Nothing much to see though.
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The litter in TJ gets to me sometimes
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litter anywhere peees me off.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
I don't like the fence idea, but the dislike is more philosophical than practical. No doubt they accomplish to some degree what they're supposed to.
Hopefully someday fences won't be needed.
I just walked along the beach to the fence. Have to admit I pushed a Tecate beer can through the fence to the US side. The litter in TJ gets to me
sometimes.
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Yesterday, some enterprising narcos built a ramp and drove a pickup full of dope up and over the fence. And we're not talking some itty bitty
backyard fence. This was THE FENCE.
A frigging ramp!
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woody in ob. It wasn't my intention to "lump" or insult you or anyone else in this forum.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
lou
try not to read between the lines.....re-read what i said. never did i say "illegal"...... |
Woody,
Isn't "illegal" immigration the issue? Anyone who is legal has a right to work here. Contractors have a right to hire whoever they want. Better get
used to Mexican culture taking over. Nothing is going to reverse that trend.
I agree with you about diminished quality of work in the construction industry. There needs to be a return to building code standards. Where is the
code enforcement?
How do you balance giving a quality product at a fair price with cutting labor costs to make a buck?
Why doesn't the construction industry set standards for skilled work? Aren't there still ROP programs and Community College programs that train? Why
aren't there apprentice programs that demand certain minimum standards? Maybe lazy gringos would compete for those jobs if a fair wage scale
accompanied the effort they put into training. If not, the industrious Latino population will train and compete for those jobs, if required.
Who wants it? What are you willing to do to get it?
Those who don't can have the hard labor jobs (not skilled) at minimum wage, and we all know who are willing to take those jobs.
This is not directed at Woody exclusively. He makes some good points. Everyone, please jump in.
[Edited on 6-22-2007 by toneart]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
A frigging ramp! |
It probably went right over a frigging tunnel.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Maybe lazy gringos would compete for those jobs if a fair wage scale accompanied the effort they put into training.
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BINGO.
Low wage workers have made unions obsolete or ineffctive at best. Unions were the only protection and fought for living wages but employers only see
profit when they should be seeing a strong picket line. I see no reason why a crappy little tract house in the hinterlands of San Diego will cost 400
thousand to have built, especially with low cost labor.
I've never been a strong union supporter until now when I can see the justification for them. And, before I get screamed at, I was union most of my
working life because it came with the job.
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The only thing I would say in defense of why a crappy little tract house costs so much in San Diego is that the price of the land is high. Also the
price of grading and draining that land to the city's, county's, state's, and federal requirements can be substantial, as well as putting in streets,
signals, etc....and they can get that price! ...but yah, quality has gone down, prices are too high for my taste--you can still get a new tract house
in Texas for around 100K.
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i guess my beef is with the fact that i should be getting into management instead of piece working=making REAL money. only managing a jobsite full of
latinos isn't my idea of fun, doesn't pay either. i actually love what i do (trim carpenter) but it just burns my butt that most guys on a job don't,
or won't speak english. talk about divisive? about the only tades left that aren't 95% latino are electricians and plummers, at least on the finish
end.
can't agree more with the statement about a POS tract home in Jamul cost $400k. labor costs are down 50-60%, etc....
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Woody-I'm a contractor too--since moving to Texas I've been working solo--means digging ditches and coming home covered in mud but I'm making almost
what I was with five employees in CA. Don't know how long the old back and joints will go before giving out but I'm not missing the joys of managing
workers and payroll at all.
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sweat built this country from the dirt up. i have no problem with sweating, hell, this time last year i was working swinging doors at Yuma Proving
Grounds starting at 5am until 5pm so i could start driving home at 10-11am on Thurday............we gotta do what we gotta do.....
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woody, trim carpenter? cool. Carpentry is my hobby and I'm pretty good. My father was an amateur, put good enough to build a small summer house and my
grandfather was a pro. I have hand tools from both of them.
I've built 2 small boats. 15' Mission Bay sloop and a deep vee 17' runabout. Used to drive it from Mission Bay to the Coronados.
Back to the immigration topic, but let's flip it around. This may sound like a wild idea but there really is a need for good carpenters here in TJ.
Cabinets, doors, crown moulding, stair cases, etc. There are some very talented carpenters here but not enough. You could start a company I suppose
and hire local talent to meet legal issues. With all the gringos moving here and all along the coast to Ensenada, good carpenters are needed to dress
up these concrete block houses. And the trick is nothing is built to standard sizes. I need new kitchen cabinets to replace the cheap chit the house
came with and neither Dixieline nor Home Depot have the size base cabinets I need (it's a long story). I'm going to build my own. I had to make my own
screen door for the main entrance too. It's several inches shorter and wider than normal. Sort of like me. 
The point is there's work, money, and American customers here for good carpenters, living is cheap and playas is a very mellow area. It is the Ocean
Beach (I lived there for 30 years) of Tijuana. It's the city's beach. I just spent a day in San Diego and I'm real glad to be back.
Come on down and teach these young carpenters how it's done, especially for American customers. They'll work cheap and hard for you too.
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Hey old one...........
Do you really think it's that simple? Have you ever tried to teach a Mexican new ways in his old environment? They resist change. Turn your back
on the student and he goes back to his old ways.
I had a friend who had a machine shop in Maneadero and he said this was his greatest obstacle. It's not that they wouldn't learn. They just wouldn't
change.
And, if you think this is just my idea, look into it.
[Edited on 6-23-2007 by DENNIS]
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crazy world we live in. 30 years.....chances are we have crossed paths.
i'd like to hear more about your ideas.
but, off the record, of course .
[Edited on 6-23-2007 by woody in ob]
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