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Lindalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
Just a short couple of years ago, the going rate for service folks down south, (la ribera), was $70 pesos a day...hard to believe..I'm sure it's more
now. Just about everywhere that I've lived down there recently,(mulege), the hourly rate varies between $40-$50 pesos an hour for general
laborers,gardeners,housecleaners,etc..more for skilled laborers. I think that pretty much addresses the original question. |
I just reread you post. While we were living on the beach at Santispac our neighbor (lots of money) had housekeepers in at least
twice a week, she paid them $3.00 us an hour. That was two years ago. We have friends here that have housekeepers that they pay $3.50 an hour. I had
one in the US when I worked full time that I paid $10 an hour and that was more then 10 years ago. Just an observation.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
But when price is established in advance and the job is not done correctly you have a real challenging negotiation after the fact. |
Just try to withhold pay for reasons of quality workmanship. Your problems will have just begun, the first of which would be isues of his unpaid
social security. Nobody in the government will give you the least ammount of understanding. You will pay, and pay, and pay.
Know who you hire, at least through recommendations, and establish the price before the work begins. Why does that sound so unreasonable to some
here?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
We have friends here that have housekeepers that they pay $3.50 an hour. |
Everybody in Lomas, where you live, pays the cleaning lady 25 bucks, 8AM to noon. She has a work ethic that would shame an Oriental and she's
trustworthy.
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Lindalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
We have friends here that have housekeepers that they pay $3.50 an hour. |
Everybody in Lomas, where you live, pays the cleaning lady 25 bucks, 8AM to noon. She has a work ethic that would shame an Oriental and she's
trustworthy. |
Wow, I think I will hire my friends housekeeper  My friend lives at Rancho Packard.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
We have friends here that have housekeepers that they pay $3.50 an hour. |
Everybody in Lomas, where you live, pays the cleaning lady 25 bucks, 8AM to noon. She has a work ethic that would shame an Oriental and she's
trustworthy. |
Dennis,
Does she do windows? If so I'd like to get her name, that is if she has any time left after taking care of the Lomas crew.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Paulina
Dennis,
Does she do windows? If so I'd like to get her name, that is if she has any time left after taking care of the Lomas crew.
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Yeah P, she does windows. I'll line you up with here when you're ready.
What happened with Dern? Is he on strike?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Paulina
Dennis,
Does she do windows? If so I'd like to get her name, that is if she has any time left after taking care of the Lomas crew.
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Yeah P, she does windows. I'll line you up with here when you're ready.
What happened with Dern? Is he on strike? |
Dern does windows, but not the glass part, only the wood refinishing part. He says that his tour of duty doesn't begin until the end of June.
I'm wondering how many more years he's going to put up with the sanding and varnishing gig before he paints them when I'm not looking.
To keep on topic, I pay him with love. (He made me say that. I was going to talk the barter system.)
ja ja ja.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
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It will be the same way here, if someone wants too much money we will get someone else that a gringo hasn't ruined yet with too much pay
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Just like California! Classic!  |
What ever that means? |
My reference was to that ideal found in SoCal. There are some disgruntled skilled laborers that cry foul at all the competition who came from Mexico.
One example is the plethora of construction workers competing for decent wages.
The headnod was based on the presumtion that Mexicans work for less. That is unless they have been spoiled by a careless employer.
Sorry, I'm still trying to understand the context of the original post. The wording was/is easily misconstrued.
I think I get it.
I've hired people on quotes with a percent of cash up front, with the balance due on completion.. I have also paid by the job, by the hour, and other
ways I'm sure.
It really is like the Trotters say. Each circumstance is different. I don't see an even pay scale in Baja .............for anythang!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
I've hired people on quotes with a percent of cash up front, with the balance due on completion.. I have also paid by the job, by the hour, and other
ways I'm sure.
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That's another thing. Will you pay a percentage up front if you are buying all of the materials? Many workers want it but, I won't. I pay for the
job, or an agreed upon percentage of the job, finished.
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Well Rich and Linda, guess you can see from about 9,000 years of experience on this board that your question is a totally moving target. The area has
a big influence on the answer and the more "touristy" the area, the higher the prices generally are. In our small village we pay about 150 pesos per
day for unskilled and around 250 for more skilled labor and generally about 100 pesos for a 1/2 day housecleaner. In areas like Mulege and Loreto,
our friends report much higher wages are the norm.
David is sort of right about getting an estimate beforehand, but we found out that a lot of construction people would go with an estimate and then
when you were about half way done they would come back and explain that the increase in cost of materials and labor would not allow them to finish the
job for the pre-agreed on price. So you generally have to step up to the higher price if you want the job to ever get completed.
So the final answer is very clear, it changes almost daily and the best you can do is to go with the flow and a good deal is a good deal if both
people are satisfied at the completion. I find it amusing that we bring our Gringo attitudes and rules with us and try to change the way things are
done in Mexico. Seems as though we really do want to change things into what we were trying to get away from in the first place.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
So the final answer is very clear, it changes almost daily and the best you can do is to go with the flow and a good deal is a good deal if both
people are satisfied at the completion. I find it amusing that we bring our Gringo attitudes and rules with us and try to change the way things are
done in Mexico. Seems as though we really do want to change things into what we were trying to get away from in the first place.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
We have friends here that have housekeepers that they pay $3.50 an hour. |
Everybody in Lomas, where you live, pays the cleaning lady 25 bucks, 8AM to noon. She has a work ethic that would shame an Oriental and she's
trustworthy. |
Wow, I think I will hire my friends housekeeper My friend lives at Rancho Packard. |
If your friend owns the Cliff House, the $3.50/hr is just the tip of the iceberg. The young lady receives a great deal of financial and moral support
from the owners. I couldn't begin to guess what that translates to in dollars/hour.
BTW, most people in Rancho Packard typically pay their cleaning help $30/per day, which runs roughly 4-41/2 hours. We pay ours $30 for Saturday,
another $15 for a couple of hours on Wednseday afternoon, and $20 for her son who does gardening work while she's here on Saturday. We all think
that's fair.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajamigo
| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by RichnLinda
We have friends here that have housekeepers that they pay $3.50 an hour. |
Everybody in Lomas, where you live, pays the cleaning lady 25 bucks, 8AM to noon. She has a work ethic that would shame an Oriental and she's
trustworthy. |
Wow, I think I will hire my friends housekeeper My friend lives at Rancho Packard. |
Yes, I am aware of that. I was told by
Alicia the only way she would let me hire her was that I could only pay her the $3.50. We asked if we could tip her (sorry Dennis ) and she said no.
If your friend owns the Cliff House, the $3.50/hr is just the tip of the iceberg. The young lady receives a great deal of financial and moral support
from the owners. I couldn't begin to guess what that translates to in dollars/hour.
BTW, most people in Rancho Packard typically pay their cleaning help $30/per day, which runs roughly 4-41/2 hours. We pay ours $30 for Saturday,
another $15 for a couple of hours on Wednseday afternoon, and $20 for her son who does gardening work while she's here on Saturday. We all think
that's fair. |
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Yes, it all had to do with Hurricane John. Before the flood average hourly wage was $3.50ish. Now it is $5.00ish. That ain't a whole lot lower than
some US states.
[Edited on 4-13-2008 by Sharksbaja]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
David is sort of right about getting an estimate beforehand, but we found out that a lot of construction people would go with an estimate and then
when you were about half way done they would come back and explain that the increase in cost of materials and labor would not allow them to finish the
job for the pre-agreed on price. So you generally have to step up to the higher price if you want the job to ever get completed.
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That is complete nonsense. Why would you subject yourself to that?
You buy the materials. You do anyway. Don't allow materials to be a part of the cost of labor. What the expert is selling to you is labor. Keep it
simple and pay for his expertise. You people who complicate this contract are the cause of confusion in the workplace.
Total BS what you folks do just trying to get a simple job done. You turn it into a cultural event.
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| Quote: | | You buy the materials. You do anyway. Don't allow materials to be a part of the cost of labor. |
But the mark-up on materials is 90% of the "contractor's "
net profit margin
Bob Durrell
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I had an interesting experience in Abreojos recently reflecting the way things are sometimes done in Mexico.
After 10 days on the road we needed to have our clothes washed. We were directed to a home with a washer dryer out back and I rang the doorbell. I
showed her the laundry and the lady told me sure she would do it but simply refused to quote a price. I would find out AFTER the work was done. I came
to the realization that we were being placed in a position where we might not get our belongings back at all unless I came up with the cash the woman
decided the following day. At that point we said our goodbyes and left.
I've never experienced anything like it before. I feel we were targeted as gringos with this business offer as I couldn't see anyone accepting such
terms.
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Skipjack,
I can see your apprehension with this kind of transaction, but in cases like this I have never heard of anybody feeling ripped off. Likely, the lady
does the laundry slightly different then the way gringos do it. You would ,likely, find all your clothing ironed, possibly even your underwear,
everything neatly folded, socks sorted (reason I buy mine 24 pair at a time, so don't have to hunt for one ) and in general, done different then what
we're used to. That way she could better determine her reward by figuring her time spend on that job.
I doubt very much you would have been dissatisfied had you gone for the job.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I had an interesting experience in Abreojos recently reflecting the way things are sometimes done in Mexico.
After 10 days on the road we needed to have our clothes washed. We were directed to a home with a washer dryer out back and I rang the doorbell. I
showed her the laundry and the lady told me sure she would do it but simply refused to quote a price. I would find out AFTER the work was done. I came
to the realization that we were being placed in a position where we might not get our belongings back at all unless I came up with the cash the woman
decided the following day. At that point we said our goodbyes and left.
I've never experienced anything like it before. I feel we were targeted as gringos with this business offer as I couldn't see anyone accepting such
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Skipjack
Do you know the name of the lady? If so send me a U2U.
Strange because most of the people would be more than willing to give you a price.
Ralph
[Edited on 4-14-2008 by rts551] for spelling
[Edited on 4-14-2008 by rts551]
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I responded to this thread because I see things a bit differently than some.
From my point of view all of these things stem from the same cultural approach to life:
1. Police inventing violations to pick up a little extra cash.
2. Gas stations selling less gas than the client is paying for.
3. Workers readjusting their pay after job is initiated.
4. People exchanging money at less than the exchange rate to pick up a bit extra cash.
5. Laundry lady not quoting price so that she can charge as she wishes at later date.
The problem is epidemic. You can't just say this case is fine because that's the way it's done here but later complain about being fleeced when going
through Ensenada. Dishonesty is dishonesty no matter what the act. As long as this attitude remains there will always be corruption in their
government and Mexico will remain a thirld world country envying it's neighbors and trying to get in.
We don't go to baja because this is somehow refreshingly different. We go to baja in spite of this.
End of rant ......
[Edited on 4-14-2008 by Skipjack Joe]
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