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capt. mike
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figured. i can live with it. just another hassle to flying in baja, that's all. Mainland looking better all the time...........but i will tell you
this, if they become haughty or abusive to Don's guests in any way on a regular basis even after this blows over, he'll use his strong contacts to
back them off.
one time years ago a punk federale gave me a bunch of caca over a non event, i asked him in spanish if he'd like to go inside and talk to Don or Diana
about it, like right now, and he said no and walked away.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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awfulart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ssreef
OK, this is bad, as well as all the other movie style violence going on especially in the north, i.e. Tijuana.
Here is the reason, or so I believe after hearing it from locals in La Paz, Guerrero Negro, Loreto, etc..........is as follows.
Remember a few years back when the FBI, DEA, IRS, PGR, and every other US/MEX agencies spent five years tracking Arellano, and finally got him in
intl. water off La PAz. Well there you have it, it is an open market now, no control. I am not supporting drug dealers nor drugs, however someone is
going to do it. Mr Arrelano was not a saint, but it seems he did keep the general public out of the business, especially touristas. I believe his
arrest is responsible for the violence that soon erupted in Vallarta and Acapulco as well. Sometime soon some other organized thug will control the
market, hopefully entirely and not having conflict with another gang. The locals were not happy with his arrest either, they saw this coming right
after he was locked up. He infused lots of cash into local economies up and down the penisula. Mostly in positive economic ways, however I am sure
he had some hits taken care of where he felt needed. Drug smuggling is not a pretty industry, but it seems the old cartel leaders kept it from the
tourism because they realize that the majority of their countrymen's income relies on our spending. It is very sad news how brazen they have gotten
in Baja, I felt as if we were always different than the mainland. The influx of military may help with the petty stuff, but I can almost guarantee
you they are just as connected as some policia. Let's hope for the best, and please do not let these isolated incidents stop you from enjoying La
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Illegal drugs and illegal immigration are fed by supply and demand. As long as there are customers the supply will find its way, one way or another.
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Vince
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Serenedad airstrip (El Gallito)
If the military comes back, I hope they also establish a post at the south end where the incident happened (runway 32). Those kids could have done
nothing to stop the theft from the north end of the runway, 3500 feet away where they usually are. Maybe just the show of force at the south end will
prevent another event. They will have to have 2 posts to be effective, at least during daylight hours when takeoffs occur.
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roundtuit
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I totaly agree with Vince, I don't fly but know Serinadad. If they went to the south end to do a run up the mililtry would not been aware of what was
happening as they would be at the north end. So they should follow the plane down the run way. Now the problem no vehicle, no gas, no persona. what
to do ????
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by roundtuit
I totaly agree with Vince, I don't fly but know Serinadad. If they went to the south end to do a run up the mililtry would not been aware of what was
happening as they would be at the north end. So they should follow the plane down the run way. Now the problem no vehicle, no gas, no persona. what
to do ???? |
 Every plane should be escorted 24 hours a day, and army should have fast car to
escort them down the runway. Pilots should be escorted to bathroom in case they find it out of toilet paper or paper towels. Army should also escort
me everytime I drive my car anywhere for any reason, including my afternoon trip to Gigante to pick up more toilet paper for the precious pilots.
Some people on here want the army, and other people belly ache that the armmy cramps their style (maybe they are drug runners who are inconvenienced
by army presence?).
Seriously, if y'all want security at airports, then tell airport owner to provide it and tell him you will pay the landing fees to pay for it. In the
US you get security for almosst free from uncle sam and me, the taxpayer. Your landing fees in the US don't begin to pay for private aviation
security. Your fees don't begin to pay for FAA system. Private aviation and commercial aviation in get airport security and FAA system while
taxpayers foot much of the bill.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
I just got the word from VERY reliable sources that the army will now be stationed at the airstrip 24/7. Big time generals,admirals,governor reps and
the like, all met today with local officials here and the result is a permanent army encampment at the airstrip...sorry cap'n mike...but i am not
against a military presence here if it can be ANY deterrent to what occurred a couple of days ago. My two cents |
Not making light of victims loss, but this strikes me as favoritism on part of governmment. Multiple hijackings of cars of tourists results in lame
government response. Single hijacking of small private plane results in ?
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roundtuit
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very very funny ,toilet paper, pacifco,fish tacos. Seriously all US air lines, shipping lines and railroad have goverment assitance. If we every had
a major conflict we would need all these types of transporting supplies, troops etc. Thats why we pay the big bucks
Never learned from a book-Only from mistakes, mine and yours
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thebajarunner
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You need to check your aviation facts, sir
| Quote: | | Seriously, if y'all want security at airports, then tell airport owner to provide it and tell him you will pay the landing fees to pay for it. In the
US you get security for almosst free from uncle sam and me, the taxpayer. Your landing fees in the US don't begin to pay for private aviation
security. Your fees don't begin to pay for FAA system. Private aviation and commercial aviation in get airport security and FAA system while
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Typical commercial landing fees, single landing, 747:
JFK $4451
LAX $3500
ORD $3433
My little mental computerbox sez that is about $100 per pax.
General aviation (that is us private pilots) pay a large premium for avgas in tax and local facility fees to pay for the local facitlities.
I just love that gang that sez "corporations and private users don't pay their own way"
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greybaby
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Bajaboolie,
Thanks for the update on this family. They're in the thoughts and prayers of Boiseans as well as those of us who love Baja.
I do have to agree that a lot of this violence has to do with breaking up the Arellano Felix cartel. Now it's all-out war among those competing for
the passage rights getting drugs to the market place, which happens to be the US.
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roundtuit
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I worked at LAX for 12 years .. no one rides for free
Never learned from a book-Only from mistakes, mine and yours
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bajaboolie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
I just got the word from VERY reliable sources that the army will now be stationed at the airstrip 24/7. Big time generals,admirals,governor reps and
the like, all met today with local officials here and the result is a permanent army encampment at the airstrip...sorry cap'n mike...but i am not
against a military presence here if it can be ANY deterrent to what occurred a couple of days ago. My two cents |
Not making light of victims loss, but this strikes me as favoritism on part of governmment. Multiple hijackings of cars of tourists results in lame
government response. Single hijacking of small private plane results in ? |
Favortism or a small community not putting up with serious violence? This could be a great example of people not sitting back and letting thugs take
over their town. It's not as easy to do in a big sprawling city.
Bajaboolie
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Skeet/Loreto
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I was in Mulege the Morning of the PlaneJacking.
The Pilot made a very bad Mistake taxing to the South end for a North Take-Off. There is a Large sign indicating that all aircraft are to take off to
the South.
The Pilot and his Family were well cared for by Don.
For those interested look at the Stats on the Reported 100 Aircraft that have been Jacked in Mexico in the near Past.
Went fishing with Alex from the Sererinad, Best day of fishing in 25 years, Yellowtail and Amberjack Boiling on Top of the Water, Bait in the
Millions.
P.S. Lots of good Real Estate Buys along the River.
Skeet/Loreto
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I was in Mulege the Morning of the PlaneJacking.
The Pilot made a very bad Mistake taxing to the South end for a North Take-Off. There is a Large sign indicating that all aircraft are to take off to
the South.
The Pilot and his Family were well cared for by Don.
For those interested look at the Stats on the Reported 100 Aircraft that have been Jacked in Mexico in the near Past.
Went fishing with Alex from the Sererinad, Best day of fishing in 25 years, Yellowtail and Amberjack Boiling on Top of the Water, Bait in the
Millions.
P.S. Lots of good Real Estate Buys along the River.
Skeet/Loreto |
Lots of good Real Estate Buys everywhere. Don't blame the pilot Skeet.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
I just got the word from VERY reliable sources that the army will now be stationed at the airstrip 24/7. Big time generals,admirals,governor reps and
the like, all met today with local officials here and the result is a permanent army encampment at the airstrip...sorry cap'n mike...but i am not
against a military presence here if it can be ANY deterrent to what occurred a couple of days ago. My two cents |
Not making light of victims loss, but this strikes me as favoritism on part of governmment. Multiple hijackings of cars of tourists results in lame
government response. Single hijacking of small private plane results in ? |
I think the govt's response to the car jacking in BCN has been effective. Cant remember any since late last year, when they moved in.
This plane jacking was NOT a one-time deal, just the first one at Mulege in a while.
Besides, what else do the troops have to do............man fruitless checkpoints and extort sodas from tourists. 
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Sharksbaja
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Actually Hook, there is a checkpoint that has fruit.
I think you are spot-on. There has been a reduced number of incidents reported in Baja. What amazes me is the ease at which these thieves operate. It
seems they are comfortable stealing planes in disparate places. I doubt very much if the bandits are locals waiting for an unsuspecting family in a
plane at the wrong end of a runway at 5:30 in the morning. Of course I could be wrong. In which case I welcome back the military to Mulege.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Actually Hook, there is a checkpoint that has fruit.
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You're right, I forgot about that one.
They have good meats, too. Those guys eat well.
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Vince
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Hijacked Cessna
I believe the sign Skeet is referring to @ Serenedad (El Gallito) says they want you to take off FROM the south to the north(runway 32) to prevent
noise and dust from bothering the guests and neighbors. The pilot was doing it the right and customary way. Sometimes we have to depart from north to
south because of the wind.
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Sharksbaja
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Assuming that, one would expect the thieves to actually plan for a hijack at the other end. This is important because it would then put their actions
close to the road and dock.
I find that curiously troubling. I smell a rat. Methinks these guys were tipped off by someone in the circle who could known these folks were leaving
and perhaps also that they knew in advance which direction the plane would take off from.
The guys had masks, guns, vehicle et al. They had info. I doubt seriously if it was a fluke or rather an opportunist spur-of-the-moment hijack.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
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Bill Collector
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Hook,
Last night we had the little ones watching TV so we could visit with Marek and Lynn.. They explained everything that had happened. Having someone tell
you "YOU WANT TO DIE TODAY" over and over again is a night mare. From what they said they only saw one gun, (one is enough for me). There could have
been more, they didn't seen any other. The gun man never said one word to any one. Just aimed the gun at the pilot which is Marek's brother in law.
Just one guy did the talking. She said two were in the car that blocked the plane the other 4 jumped over the fence. No one had masks one just hooded
sweat shirts
They called our American Consulate in Cabo on Thursday.
They were told to come in any time from 9-2 it wont be a problem. The Consualte asked if they were the ones involved in the plane being stolen in
Mulege Marek said yes.
That is all that from our American Consulate. No one has talked to them about anything. It's still ify about leaving with no documents to say who they
are... we will see.
We are waiting for the North winds to stop blowing then were taking them all out fishing. The little girls told me this morning that they slept so
good and felt safe here. That put a smile on my face. This is such a nice family we hadn't meet them before they arrived on Wednesday for their final
stay in Baja..We gave them some fresh dorado for dinner last night.
They might stay with us a few extra days to sort things out we aren't sure yet it's fine with us...We are planning a FULL MOON party Sunday for
them...
I told them last night that some of the nomads were saying a little pray for them and the girls. They were very interested in the Nomads site. I had
lent them a lap top computer so they can reach all family and friends. They told me when they left our house last night they sat up reading all that
was on Nomads.
They seem to be special people we are glad that we can help, that is what it's all about.
I copied this from the other post I had put it on..
Barb
* sorry this was so long. they have a very interesting story to tell some day..They still like BAJA and will be back at least they will be here in the
Buena Vista area of Baja Sur.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
| Quote: | | Originally posted by Sharksbaja...they knew in advance which direction the plane would take off from... |
Anybody with more than 10 hours behind the stick knows that; the "leg" is called "Upwind" for a reason.
FOR SURE they had inside info, as numerous posts including yours have pointed out. |
I have to agree. Somehow they found out when they were leaving. Just makes more sense than them lying in wait for the first opportunity.
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