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I don't think it's a matter of lacking a frame of reference as much as changing it. I don't find Gnukid's points crazy. However if I bought in as
fact, and there are way more than a few who do, that doesn't mean I could describe the outcome. Those who try are typically ridiculed anyway.
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gnukid
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Look K-Roco I'll bite, but first, I have had you pegged from the start. Your role is clear though I don't mind playing because I believe that it is
possible for enlightenment through knowledge and for the human being to mature and elevate. Even you and me.
Please correct me where I get off track from the professed facts of the illuminati plan as I am no expert. I am not professing to believe in or
support the illuminati nor am I declaring war on them, these are simply the historical facts. First off, I am a simple and poor person who reads a
little bit here and there, just as I was required to read Homer's Ulysses I read about the illuminati. I learn from Indians as well as scholars and
friends.
First one must consider that reality is a concept that is programmed. Time is a programmed concept. Work is a programmed concept. Reality can be
anything you choose to believe. People, in general, believe in very limited concepts that they are programmed to believe like the value of religion,
one god or the sole existence of mankind and the earth as a life-giving entity. Or quite simply the idea that money is debt. Or that labor should be
taxed. Therefore propaganda is highly valuable to those wishing to control the masses.
Just as there is the belief in good (god) and the concept there was Jesus or God or any of the hundreds of Gods named by modern religions, there is
the concept of evil (lucifer) as power. These concepts are programmed for the advantage of those who wish to lead the masses.
There many forces at work here at present but they do coincide with the idea that either you shall rule over others and take life or conversely that
you love all things and give life and love.
Basically there are evil worshipers who worship Lucifer and those that worship good and Jesus or any God and believe in doing good. In many cases they
are the same people, playing layers of the game on both sides. Many ancient churches in fact have chambers below for these rites of evil worship.
The Illuminati believe that there are different bloodlines, those of the illuminati and those that are not. There are only so many family that are
among the elite bloodlines, they inbreed to contain their bloodlines. If you are for example Prince William there is a limited set of people whom you
may marry etc... etc... This limited set of people maintain massive wealth, perhaps most of the world's wealth. It may be 13 families or a but more,
perhaps a few thousand people at most.
The question is obvious, how can Obama or Al Gore or Calderon, Holdren or Pelosi believe they will be spared by the illuminati? They don't, they are frightened for their lives as well and are playing the game to their best ability, they are pawns, much like most of us.
The illuminati have a long held belief in rituals and symbology which is significant (to them and perhaps to us as well, for programming too). Many of you may know of the Masons, the highest level
being 33rd level. Many of you know of the significance of so many dates and symbols. Masonic symbols are everywhere. Why? The symbols of the illuminati are everywhere built into structures, monetary symbols etc... one common illuminati saying is "order through chaos' in latin ORDO AB CHAO, through orchestrated chaos.
It would appear, that the illuminati believes in annihilation, they believe in destruction of life as power and the rule of expendable slaves as way
of controlling being.
They are fast executing their plan of annihilation for what? Who knows? It's a way of life.
Simplistically, they may believe that they have enough machines both industrial and computing power to proceed in the future with reduced population
and they believe in the mass reduction of populations as imminent in their goals since these populations are of no value to them.
If I may back up, many of you recall Mayan or Roman times? Cults of personalities over masses of slaves often expended for no purpose. You recall the reign of Mao Zedongwho killed 60 million, Stalin who killed perhaps 60 million. Hitler who killed perhaps 17 million etc... these are documented to have been funded and fueled by the illuminati, Royalty etc... It's very well
documented that these cult of personality leaders were nothing without the funding of families such as the Rockefellers for example and the rest of
the illuminati. Even of course Prescott Bush the father of Bush I was charged and settled along with Union Bank and Harriman Brothers Brown for the crime of funding end
encouraging murderous reign of terror.
The Bush family has a long history. While Jeb Bush was Governor of Florida and George Bush was governor of Texas, their father was President, while
previously he held the position of head of Intelligence for the CIA-all the while the Iran Contra scheme dumped Cocaine on US cities through Mena Arkansas under Clinton to fund arm sales to back 'freedom fighters' in Nicaragua.
We know all about this, it was well documented by Gary Webb and the San Jose Mercury and LA Times but we still accept it and accepted these fellows as our leaders? We accepted their destructive policies which have radically hurt our
country and yet persist. Why?
Today many easily forget our recent history or they are programmed to forget. The wars continue with seemingly no goal but murder and increased Global Hegemony. Why?
The issue may be that that is how we are programmed, look how many post here to support these destructive policies that clearly hurt everyone of us.
Few seem to have the capacity to believe that human kind can be evil.
So here we go, we are heading toward the historically calculated culmination of cycles in 2012. We each are aware of the increasing destructive
quality of the illuminati, their fast increasing wars of destruction, their massive thefts of trillions, 24 trillion in 9 months acknowledged publicly, the massive killing of millions worldwide for no reason or goal? We have no plan in Iraq, or Afghanistan or anywhere except annihilation. We are under no threat from the middle east, none by Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran or anyone yet we persist to build and explode weapons
at an increasing pace causing massive pollution, while Al Gore would tell you you are pollution, your breath and being are pollution and should be taxed and people believe it which is the most fantastic nonsense ever spoken.
You simply must ask yourself, do you support worship or death cults or do you support love and life. Its the simplest question. Answer that then take
the next step, can you reprogram your reality to see yourself as life and beauty and see all things similarly as having infinite potential?
I have few answers, I do not know much about religion personally, but I do enjoy baja very much, the people and beauty, and I appreciate what it has
taught me and given me and I believe it's worth fighting for. I am not about to give in to the illuminati.
[Edited on 7-26-2009 by gnukid]
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
gnukid forgot his hat.....again.
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Would someone please help gnukid find his foil hat. He really needs it.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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gnukid
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Look, Fishbuck first it was 'there are no indians' and now there is no illuminati?
Do you think anyone is going to tell you where the hot indian girls are if you keep up this attitude? Do a little research.
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fishbuck
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Okay forget the hat. Gnukid might be right about this.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Once you take into account all the church has done in history- the concept of the Illuminati is not that far fetched really. The books were good
plane reading 
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Dave
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Correct
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Public works projects are going huge in Rosarito. They are re-doing whole neighborhoods roads, putting in a new auditorium to the high school (I
think that's what it looks like) it looks like they have tons of money to spend. Even the cuota is getting a new divider for miles and miles (
prefered rhe greenery actually). I'm surprised- but then again this isnt taxpayer money. I don't know where the money for these projecxts
comes from- but it must not be local. My $200 annual property tax doesn't go that far- anywhere. |
The mayor wrangled a 20 million dollar loan from a U.S. based development bank. Probably never be repayed.
Such a deal.
Cuota money is federal. They're repaving 6 miles a stretch. Takes them about 6 weeks a section. So far, it's taken State contractors 6
months to 3/4 finish the free road expansion in front of Puerto Nuevo. Less than a 1/4 mile. 
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Reality isn't subjective
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Reality can be anything you choose to believe. |
There's a word that accurately describes those who have difficulty in differentiating perception from reality.
It's called schizophrenia.
You qualify.
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There is a way that seems right to man, but the end is death
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gnukid
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NO FREEDOM HAS BEEN LOST THAT CANNOT BE TAKEN BACK, AND THERE IS NO POWER OVER US BUT THAT WHICH WE GIVE AWAY.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
gnukid forgot his hat.....again.
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Foil hat time again!
[Edited on 7-25-2009 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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k-rico
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gnukid,
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I've heard this particular conspiracy theory explained sporadically over the years.
I hope you have me pegged as a skeptic and nothing more.
You might want to contribute to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)
And while you're connecting the dots, here's another theory along the same lines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnationalism
[Edited on 7-25-2009 by k-rico]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
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Hey Dave, is that yak? |
But I can understand your confusion. He's not wearing his tin foil hat. |
My bad, wrong continent. It's a wildebeast (I just like that word, "yak," it seems to fit a lot of what goes on around here, especially this thread).
Now what was the topic again? Rice and beans?
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Von
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gnukid i think u are right.............
READY SET.....................
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
I don't think it's a matter of lacking a frame of reference as much as changing it. I don't find Gnukid's points crazy. However if I bought in as
fact, and there are way more than a few who do, that doesn't mean I could describe the outcome. Those who try are typically ridiculed anyway.
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I think I agree with you, Our Lady of the Ages. 
"The outcome" has yet to be decided, but you could extrapolate and create your own reality. I know I have!  You and I have lived long enough to get very good at this.  
Edited for subsequent brain leak.
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Hey guys I am skeptic too, that's what makes me question.
The history of US military actions under cover leading to create conflict and increase the call for Military across the border in Mexico is long. In
the Mexican Wars of 1819 and 1848 US troop movements across borders brought on conflict that led to these previous wars.
Mexicans rightfully so, are actively demanding the Military get out of cities.
For these historical reasons, we must be skeptical about attacks, as a precursor to Martial Law and Military invasion even for example, those bio attacks such as the 'swine flu' which was used to hurt Mexico and as a precursor to Martial Law. While in fact there is no evidence of a severe threat greater than the threat of a lack of education, health care and infrastructure.
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Mainly Mexicans manipulated by the cartels.
When the military steps in there are bound to be abuses. But they're there because the local authorities are proven corrupt.
And it's not like the protesters aren't complicit.
Corruption doesn't exist in a vacuum.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Public works projects are going huge in Rosarito. They are re-doing whole neighborhoods roads, putting in a new auditorium to the high school (I
think that's what it looks like) it looks like they have tons of money to spend. Even the cuota is getting a new divider for miles and miles (
prefered rhe greenery actually). I'm surprised- but then again this isnt taxpayer money. I don't know where the money for these projecxts
comes from- but it must not be local. My $200 annual property tax doesn't go that far- anywhere. |
The mayor wrangled a 20 million dollar loan from a U.S. based development bank. Probably never be repayed.
Such a deal.
Cuota money is federal. They're repaving 6 miles a stretch. Takes them about 6 weeks a section. So far, it's taken State contractors 6
months to 3/4 finish the free road expansion in front of Puerto Nuevo. Less than a 1/4 mile. |
Dave stop posting facts and correcting Whiiish. He, like Gnukid and Cabron, lives in his own little, meaningless world created for himself by
himself.
50 people in Ricky's?????? That used to happen when Titantic was filming.
Must have been nearly all Mexican nationals for a crowd that big. There haven't been 50 Americans in one place in Baja for two years, not even for
the bike race. If it was a large gig of Mexicans, then maybe a cousin talked to another cousin, who talked to...
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Yep
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Must have been nearly all Mexican nationals for a crowd that big. |
Except for those who live nearby, few gringos go there. Mainly late at night when everything else is closed. If Ricky has customers he'll stay open
all night.
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Thanks, I have seen the sun coming up through Ricky's front door in the past. The dance pole needed some real cleaning from that night. Many photos
which are kept behind the bar were taken that night.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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