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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Okay, but I really thought beer time for you started at sunrise! (It's beer-thirty somewhere right now, afterall)
Nomad should be for fun and education... Heck, I learned that a government PROJECT (like Hoover Dam, the moon mission, etc.) was actually a PROGRAM
(like social security, medicare, postal service)!     
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And isn't AM-TRAK one of those really successful govt. programs too??? We all know how "successful" AMTRAK is-----------
Admit it folks, government is one huge committee of bureaucrats, and almost nothing ever gets done correctly by a "committee"----just too many
conflicting ideas---------education in this country is another example-----fouled up by to much "input" from bureaucrats and politicians.
Somebody mentioned the Natl. Park Service-----from personal experience I can tell you that organization could waste so much tax payer money, and make
so many nutty decisions it was scary-------to this day they NEVER put enough money aside to maintain what they already have-----they only know how to
plan, plan, plan, and then build, build, build with no thought to maintenance when they are GIVEN more money--------the NPS idea is great, but the
execution is soooooo wasteful. There were exceptions, but not many----too many decisions makers---a committee----a govt. run organization.
Now back to airplanes---------If you heard the radio communications between Sully and the govt. controller guys you know what I mean----Sully ignorred
them all and did what he KNEW was right-----put the plane in the Hudson. Thank God for folks like Sully who can make instant decisions based on
experience, no matter what "others" are saying. Yes, the govt. controllers meant well, tried to help, but they did not understand, and that's the
point.
God help us if the Govt. gets control over 1/6th of the National Economy-------health care. They don't have a clue how to run it----no, I correct
that----they have so many ideas that gridlock, or worse, will follow. 
I loved it when you could taxi your plane right up to your door at Papa Diaz's place in BOLA------them wer the days!!! 
Barry
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bajaguy
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Airplanes????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UieFk6yq74w
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norte
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And prey tell wise Barry. Who would do the programs, ehrrr projects if the government did not. or are you saying they shouldn't be done at all.
Maybe the highway system should be given to DK to be run as a private enterprise
or DKs monitoring the sky
edited to keep with the post
[Edited on 11-12-2009 by norte]
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bonanzapilot
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My first flight to Baja was in 1965.. in a near-new Cherokee 235. My old friend and flight instructor, Dick Bridgeford, had blazed the trail down
there by convincing Papa Diaz to bring in some 50 gal barrels of Avgas into Bahia De Los Angeles. So there we would stop...out came the chamois into a
funnel where the gas was hand pumped into your tanks.. to absorb the water and rust flakes! If you stopped there early enough, you could book a room
at the Diaz resort...first come, first served... if not, then you could still pay the price and sleep on the porch outside of the rooms, but the
sleeping was not the goal...great cold cervesas and those famous fried turtle steaks! Seven different flavors and textures from the same turtle!
Early flights out went on south to the brand new Punta Chivato.. we have stayed there before the roof was installed on the rear units. We cleaned out
the construction debris, hung a sheet in the window opening, and slept on a mattress on the floor. (The next day, they charged some bloke for this
make-shift room!) Great old days in Baja... when you could go out fishing at 7:00, be back by 9:00 am, to spend the rest of the day around the pool
bragging about the great fishing...socializing with Hollywood movie producers doing the same thing... later that night, send the waiter around to your
friend's table with some of your fresh caught fish! So, Thank you Dick Bridgeford... Arnold Senterfitt... Rancho Buena Vista...
Punta Chivato... Mulege's two nice hotels with airstrips...and the many great people who "roughed it" to make the Baja experience so special.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bonanzapilot
My first flight to Baja was in 1965.. in a near-new Cherokee 235. My old friend and flight instructor, Dick Bridgeford, had blazed the trail down
there by convincing Papa Diaz to bring in some 50 gal barrels of Avgas into Bahia De Los Angeles. So there we would stop...out came the chamois into a
funnel where the gas was hand pumped into your tanks.. to absorb the water and rust flakes! If you stopped there early enough, you could book a room
at the Diaz resort...first come, first served... if not, then you could still pay the price and sleep on the porch outside of the rooms, but the
sleeping was not the goal...great cold cervesas and those famous fried turtle steaks! Seven different flavors and textures from the same turtle!
Early flights out went on south to the brand new Punta Chivato.. we have stayed there before the roof was installed on the rear units. We cleaned out
the construction debris, hung a sheet in the window opening, and slept on a mattress on the floor. (The next day, they charged some bloke for this
make-shift room!) Great old days in Baja... when you could go out fishing at 7:00, be back by 9:00 am, to spend the rest of the day around the pool
bragging about the great fishing...socializing with Hollywood movie producers doing the same thing... later that night, send the waiter around to your
friend's table with some of your fresh caught fish! So, Thank you Dick Bridgeford... Arnold Senterfitt... Rancho Buena Vista...
Punta Chivato... Mulege's two nice hotels with airstrips...and the many great people who "roughed it" to make the Baja experience so special.
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Thank you!
Have you seen this web site with many old Baja flying photos at L.A. Bay etc.? http://www.bajadreams.com Larry was the corporate pilot for Mr. Taco Bell!
Larry flew into Oceanside back in 2002 (as did Capt. Mike) for Viva Baja III http://vivabaja.com/vivabaja3
[Edited on 11-12-2009 by David K]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
And isn't AM-TRAK one of those really successful govt. programs too??? We all know how "successful" AMTRAK is-----------
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amtrak is great, have used it many times in midwest and east coast, and occasionally here in CA. it is especially good on east coast. barry, you
just don't like rail because you don't use it? don't you live in bay area where you have great rail service?
i am all for our govt subsidizing mass transit. i am a tax and spend liberal, i like my govt to support mass transit, education, arts and health
care.
yes we can!
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Okay, but I really thought beer time for you started at sunrise! (It's beer-thirty somewhere right now, afterall)
Nomad should be for fun and education... Heck, I learned that a government PROJECT (like Hoover Dam, the moon mission, etc.) was actually a PROGRAM
(like social security, medicare, postal service)!
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OK, so why don't you go over to off-topic, state what you think is wrong with social security, medicare, and the postal service and then offer fixes
or alternatives that would provide the same services.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
i am a tax and spend liberal, |
That must mean you're very rich or don't have a pot to pee in.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Okay, but I really thought beer time for you started at sunrise! (It's beer-thirty somewhere right now, afterall)
Nomad should be for fun and education... Heck, I learned that a government PROJECT (like Hoover Dam, the moon mission, etc.) was actually a PROGRAM
(like social security, medicare, postal service)!
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OK, so why don't you go over to off-topic, state what you think is wrong with social security, medicare, and the postal service and then offer fixes
or alternatives that would provide the same services. |
Government should only provide a service that private enterprise cannot. read the constitution... it is supposed to be the rule book for operating
this country. |
Like a minimum income and health care for people too old or sick to work? Or unable to find a job?
What about the public school system, would you get rid of that too?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Okay, but I really thought beer time for you started at sunrise! (It's beer-thirty somewhere right now, afterall)
Nomad should be for fun and education... Heck, I learned that a government PROJECT (like Hoover Dam, the moon mission, etc.) was actually a PROGRAM
(like social security, medicare, postal service)!
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OK, so why don't you go over to off-topic, state what you think is wrong with social security, medicare, and the postal service and then offer fixes
or alternatives that would provide the same services. |
Government should only provide a service that private enterprise cannot. read the constitution... it is supposed to be the rule book for operating
this country. |
Like a minimum income and health care for people too old or sick to work? Or unable to find a job?
What about the public school system, would you get rid of that too? |
Rico,
Like all adolescents, DK read Ayn Rand in 10th grade, but unlike most adults DK never grew beyond his shool-boy infatuation with Ayn Rand-ism.
[Edited on 11-12-2009 by mtgoat666]
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Skeet/Loreto
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First trip in Oct . 1967 stopping at San Fewlipe on the little strip by the Motel Fuel from a Barell and fish dinner from the Kitchen.
On to Pappa Diaz place where you pulled up to the door of his place for fuel out of a barrell.
Anybody remember the years the TRi-Pacer diged up. I have a photo and know it was there more than 13 years.
Then on to Loreto landing at the Sportsman strip after clearing off all the Donkeys or landing downtown where now sets a School. Those were the
daysTaking my diving gear and landing at a little strip at Cabo Pulmo, going out and diving on the reef, taking photos with a Plastic encased Camera.
Flying over to abbrejoes and having the good people sell you a Biggg----- Lobster for $1.
Cessna 170B- Best Airplane i ever flew and owned.
Skeet
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Okay, but I really thought beer time for you started at sunrise! (It's beer-thirty somewhere right now, afterall)
Nomad should be for fun and education... Heck, I learned that a government PROJECT (like Hoover Dam, the moon mission, etc.) was actually a PROGRAM
(like social security, medicare, postal service)!
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OK, so why don't you go over to off-topic, state what you think is wrong with social security, medicare, and the postal service and then offer fixes
or alternatives that would provide the same services. |
Government should only provide a service that private enterprise cannot. read the constitution... it is supposed to be the rule book for operating
this country. |
Like a minimum income and health care for people too old or sick to work? Or unable to find a job?
What about the public school system, would you get rid of that too? |
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
That might be the first thing... what a terrible terrible job the government has done with the children of this country... who don't even know who to
read and write well; the locations of countries of the world; what being a good patriotic American means; what wars we fought in to free others; who
our presidents were... It has been a huge failure.
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Rico,
Like all adolescents, DK read Ayn Rand in 10th grade, but unlike most adults DK never grew beyond his shool-boy infatuation with Ayn Rand-ism.
[Edited on 11-12-2009 by mtgoat666] |
Yeah, it appears hopeless. Getting rid of public education is very extreme, beyond all reason. But at least he's better defined where he's coming
from.
I'll shrug it off.
[Edited on 11-12-2009 by k-rico]
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Skeet/Loreto
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Very well said David, but you realise of course that your words and Thoughts are not understood by your crictics!
The hate and ill words that they spout come from their lack of Education and their contiuned use of DRUGS.
Sorry if my words before ruined your Post it started off good but VOMIT IS VOMIT!
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capt. mike
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"Have you seen this web site with many old Baja flying photos at L.A. Bay etc.? http://www.bajadreams.com Larry was the corporate pilot for Mr. Taco Bell!"
Actually while Larry probably flew Bell around some, they were business partners and Larry had a nice stable of Taco bells before they sold to
Pepsico. He has a great website by the way.
very much a classic American dream and success story.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
\"Remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over....\"
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Bajahowodd
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Hey, DK, Lou Dobbs just quit his job at CNN so he could work with you to fix this country. Yippee!
[Edited on 11-12-2009 by Bajahowodd]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
"Have you seen this web site with many old Baja flying photos at L.A. Bay etc.? http://www.bajadreams.com Larry was the corporate pilot for Mr. Taco Bell!"
Actually while Larry probably flew Bell around some, they were business partners and Larry had a nice stable of Taco bells before they sold to
Pepsico. He has a great website by the way.
very much a classic American dream and success story. |
Mike... scroll up to a post I made in this thread a few hours ago... (Larry's photo there) Are we just thinking the same here, or what?
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norte
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You go DK, Bernard Lawrence "Bernie" Madoff must be your hero
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, I am a product of public education... BUT, I had parents who taught me 'life', as well... Public schools in California where some of the best in
the 1960's/ early 70's, however... then the feds got more involved and the PC bunch with ACLU backing is what really got it messed up.
I lived and went to school in another country (Australia) for half a year and traveled much around the world in my life and learned to appreciate
America and what it means to be an American... I saw how much the world depends on our strength so that they may not fear tyranny, again.
I never read Ayn Rand, but a friend did (big time) who went from being a libertarian to a democrat... so maybe I am better off not reading her (it is
a 'her', right?).
I come from a life raised by people-loving people, and hating oppression. I know from history (and present times) that people prosper most when they
are free... When they prosper they help others through job creation, purchasing goods and services... free enterprise and capitalism is good for all
people and the money that is created is real... not taken from others by force or threat and re-distributed. Play with socialism/ marxism as the gang
in power now is (for their own greed and lust for power) and you HURT people and end the hope of the free world... AMERICA!
I am a consrvative because I believe and trust people to be free, to prosper and spend as they wish... the people choose what they want and create
jobs as the needs are filled. Conservatism is a standard of laws and actions based on logic and results.
Liberalism is about ideas routed in emotion with 'feel-good' intent, but the results don't matter. Liberals don't have to take any stand, they just
have to say 'they care'. In the end we see greed for power and a do-anything attitude to get re-elected and grow their power and control over others.
Liberals actually believe the people are stupid and only they know what's best for everyone else.
Because I love and believe in people and not in big government programs, I am a conservative. You be what-ever you want... Just don't pretend to know
me if we haven't met and spent some time in person. I have many democrat perhaps liberal friends, so politics is not my measuring stick for
friendship. I don't try to convert people either... In person, its talk about Baja, irrigation, four-wheeling or whatever you want... OKAY?
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
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Okay, but I really thought beer time for you started at sunrise! (It's beer-thirty somewhere right now, afterall)
Nomad should be for fun and education... Heck, I learned that a government PROJECT (like Hoover Dam, the moon mission, etc.) was actually a PROGRAM
(like social security, medicare, postal service)!
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OK, so why don't you go over to off-topic, state what you think is wrong with social security, medicare, and the postal service and then offer fixes
or alternatives that would provide the same services. |
Government should only provide a service that private enterprise cannot. read the constitution... it is supposed to be the rule book for operating
this country. |
Like a minimum income and health care for people too old or sick to work? Or unable to find a job?
What about the public school system, would you get rid of that too? |
It sure doesn't take an FBI profiler to separate the tax parasites from the tax producers here- or the ones who have never signed the front side of a
paycheck. Anyway, how about returning to the original topic?
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Bajahowodd
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Has anyone happened to notice that certain folks seem to think that the term "liberal" is a perjorative? Easy to use, but makes little sense.
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fender
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
No, law breakers are not my hero... Despite what your liberal instructors told you... You can prosper legally in America and help others while you do
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Wow I came here for baja info and get Faux 'News' (puke) talking bobbleheads!? sad
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