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Tomas Tierra
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Sharks....
20 to 30 pound bugs????? Come on man..
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
Sharks....
20 to 30 pound bugs????? Come on man.. |
Ok, my biggest was just short of 28lbs. A couple 20ish and many 10-15. Hey my buddy got one even bigger one time but decided to cook it up on the
rocks. All the lobster I ever took were by breathhold. No challenge with tanks in our group.
I've got some Ektachrome slides somewhere
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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Curt63
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Location: San Diego, Ca.
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Hey Sharks, How about some GPS coordinates on that spot?
No worries
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LancairDriver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
You nailed it! It's a simple enuff concept. You spend and have spent quality time in a place special to your likes and lifestyle. When Walmart or
hoards of people descend upon a place it completely changes it's appeal, that is, for the old timers.
My "secret spot" in SoCal now boasts a Trump golf course. You can understand my angst. I used to pull 20-30 lb bugs off those reefs below there.
DK states it over and over and over "Bad roads = good people....Good roads = bad people.
What is it about his own words that contradict his philosophy or rather the one he continually quotes. That's what I don't get. Does he actually
want a place overrun or overdiscovered, overshared???
Has he ever considered that could happen? I mean really, there are plenty of very wealthy people in the world ready willy-nilly to go about spending
millions of dollars to define themselves in the form of some ostentatious development in paradise. Hey, they can prove themselves and what better
place than...er...ahem.... Baja.
There is a phase: "Too much info" and I think it applies here. Afterall, it's not OUR country to go and divulge ALL it's special places. I'd prefer
to leave that to THEM or discover for myself. We don need no steenkeen overzealous gringo trail-frickin, map makin' guide in our neighbors country.
I would resent them doing the same thing here. 
[Edited on 12-2-2009 by Sharksbaja] |
There is no countradiction... Bad Roads=Good People... My road logs are of bad roads FOR good people... ie. Baja Nomads who want to drive bad roads.
NOTHING I POST here brings in people... The ROADS and their CARS bring them in. Only a tiny % of readers will go to the places I detail... As I said
before, I freely share "my" favorite beach here.. and it is still just as beautiful as always! |
Thanks for sharing David- This gives me an idea- I think I will fly the coast through there and video it and post the whole section on u-tube. Secret
spots and all!
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surfer jim
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Just do it....I'll be watchin' and wave when you fly overhead...
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
Sharks....
20 to 30 pound bugs????? Come on man.. |
Ok, my biggest was just short of 28lbs. A couple 20ish and many 10-15. Hey my buddy got one even bigger one time but decided to cook it up on the
rocks. All the lobster I ever took were by breathhold. No challenge with tanks in our group.
I've got some Ektachrome slides somewhere |
Those were some old bugs! A 25# lobster would be between 75 and 100 years old!
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Wiles
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Would love to see those old slides. I think the largest spiny bug ever recorded was 26 lbs. Yours could be a record.
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Skipjack Joe
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Registered: 7-12-2004
Location: Bahia Asuncion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
NOTHING I POST here brings in people... The ROADS and their CARS bring them in.
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You gotta hand it to the guy. What convoluted logic.
It's not the directions. It's the ROADS and CARS.
Why not the MECHANIC who serviced the car? Or the gas ATTENDANT who sold the gas? Or the IMMIGRATION office that stamped the tourist card?
Just when you think you've heard everything. Then comes this. Wow.
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woody with a view
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Registered: 11-8-2004
Location: Looking at the Coronado Islands
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i can't wait to hear the rebuttal....
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rts551
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It will be some thing like why is everyone always picking on me.
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tripledigitken
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"'Viva Baja' Self Guided Tours
To help the Baja traveler decide what to visit, this web page will link you to trip photos, maps and road logs of various excursions from selected
Baja destinations or base camps."
Isn't that the point? Why apologize for it.
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dtbushpilot
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Keep up the good work DK, most of us appreciate your info and understand your motivation......dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Crusoe
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Most of the time you do a great job David. Keep it up. Thanx ++C++
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I don't understand your question Ken... Have you been to that page of links? It is simply a quick way to find my photos of an area instead of
searching through my (way to big to find it all) web site. |
David,
My question/statement was "why should you apologize" for facilitating people to explore Baja. Your website has logs, GPS coordinates, stories, etc.
all designed to help people follow in your footsteps. Nothing to be ashamed about. Not a slam at you at all.
Ken
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David K
Honored Nomad
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Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
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Thank you Ken... I appreciate all of that.
Anyway, it was what Motoged asked for... info on the coastal route... not sure why those who don't share here reply if they don't plan of answering
the request! LOL
Ken, have you heard from 'The squarecircle' lately? I know he is always wanting to go four wheeling... (We don't surf)
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David K
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Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Keep up the good work DK, most of us appreciate your info and understand your motivation......dt |
Thanks David... I wish I could do more... It is that silly TIME VS. MONEY thing! When I have the money for a Baja expedition, I have limited or no
time... NOW, with almost no work, I have lot's of time, but NO money for Baja!!!  
Anybody out there in cyber space want to sponsor an adventure guidebook to off road Baja? I am ready and able to start on the project!
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woody with a view
PITA Nomad
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Registered: 11-8-2004
Location: Looking at the Coronado Islands
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Anyway, it was what Motoged asked for... info on the coastal route... not sure why those who don't share here reply if they don't plan of answering
the request! LOL
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i'm pretty sure all of his ?'s were answered in private, just like the man said....
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David K
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Location: San Diego County
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If it wasn't for Nomad, and people willing to share with others here... it wouldn't have been answered.
There are people who come here to read and never post...
If there was nothing posted of interest, then Doug's viewership would be in the pits. I want to help Doug keep Nomad on the Internet and having
interesting and INFORMATIVE posts is how. Private u2u's and a secret surfer's clique isn't helping Baja Nomad, is it?
As far away as it is from civilization, does it really bother you to see or hear of someone else with a surfboard going there for a day or two, a
year? Isn't Baja big enough? Do other Nomad surfers want to ruin it for you? I thought it was a the lack of a good swell or a new harbor construction
that ruins it for surfers...
I just don't understand the selfish attitude of "this is mine now that I found it" 
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Skipjack Joe
Elite Nomad
Posts: 8088
Registered: 7-12-2004
Location: Bahia Asuncion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
David,
My question/statement was "why should you apologize" for facilitating people to explore Baja. Your website has logs, GPS coordinates, stories, etc.
all designed to help people follow in your footsteps. Nothing to be ashamed about. Not a slam at you at all.
Ken |
I think you missed the point, Ken. It was never a question of providing the information or withholding it. It was a question of providing it
discretely or trumpeting it over the internet. If you go back you will see repeated statements by the surfers to "check your U2U".
That is how they would have preferred to have their information be given. That is how they were transferring their knowledge.
This isn't the first time this subject has come up so David knew what to expect before he made the post. And knowing David it will occur again and
again ad nauseum.
Neither you, nor I, nor David are surfers. We really don't know or understand their feelings about this area. But if you respect someone you try to
walk in their shoes and try to understand where they are coming from. I mean that's what relationships are all about. I don't think that is taking
place here.
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Sunman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
David,
My question/statement was "why should you apologize" for facilitating people to explore Baja. Your website has logs, GPS coordinates, stories, etc.
all designed to help people follow in your footsteps. Nothing to be ashamed about. Not a slam at you at all.
Ken |
I think you missed the point, Ken. It was never a question of providing the information or withholding it. It was a question of providing it
discretely or trumpeting it over the internet. If you go back you will see repeated statements by the surfers to "check your U2U".
That is how they would have preferred to have their information be given. That is how they were transferring their knowledge.
This isn't the first time this subject has come up so David knew what to expect before he made the post. And knowing David it will occur again and
again ad nauseum.
Neither you, nor I, nor David are surfers. We really don't know or understand their feelings about this area. But if you respect someone you try to
walk in their shoes and try to understand where they are coming from. I mean that's what relationships are all about. I don't think that is taking
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Well said Skipjack.
I swore I wouldn’t get into this but here goes…
What is not understood by non surfers about the sport of surfing is that there is a FINITE number of waves on any given day. Additionally, there are
not always waves on any given day.
If you go down to any SoCal beach when there is a swell and take a look at the number of surfers in the water, and then take note of how many rideable
waves are coming in, it’s not hard to see that there isn’t enough to go around.
Then factor in the average working stiff generally gets only two days a week where one can actually engage in their sport, and also factor the odds of
there actually being surf. And then once there is surf, well, you can see how it can get frustrating.
There are some places I go surfing where I will actually rationalize that if I get three waves in one session (2-3 hours) it was worth it. I’m not
into localism and accept this as the cost of doing business, it’s just the way it is.
Also, It’s not like golf where there are tee times and everyone gets their turn. It’s not like a 4 wheel drive adventure where Pole-In-The-Line-Road
is always gonna be there or that the missions and pictographs will always be there (debatable). How would you feel if you went golfing and only got to
play 3 out of 18 holes because there were too many people? Or you went to your little secret bay to fish but there were literally boats gunwale to
gunwale? I'm sure there are many fisherman who have their honey holes here they won't talk about.
The point is that as surfers, we go to Baja to ESCAPE the crowds (not that the rest of you don’t); it’s not that we want it ALL to ourselves. There is
a HUGE difference here.
This is NOT a "this is mine now that I have found it" situation. Quite the contrary. When I run into other surfers in Baja I am happy to see them and
they feel the same way. We share our food, water, booze (and waves) freely. We are a tribe.
What you may not be considering is that Google is a POWERFUL tool and when you use exact terms like S.S. and give precise information it makes it
easier and maybe even motivates people who may not have had the guts or fortitude to get out there and figure it out for themselves...maybe even sends
them out unprepared an ill equipt?
And that is part of what makes the place so special is that it does take effort and planning to get there. All we ask is that you be DISCREET. It's
obviously not a secret but let folks figure it out for themselves or let it be sorted out by U2U.
Also, I'm not part of the "bash DK at every turn crowd".
You seem like a great guy DK and you provide a great service here. Simply try to respect the wishes of some of the people on the board. Peace, Love
and Fish Tacos right?
Dig it.
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