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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
We conservatives believe in the God given freedoms that ALL people should have and become as prosperous as they desire... in all countries. It is
greedy governments that keep its people poor... or in our (U.S.) case this year, try to make as many poor as possible to gain more power over us.
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Taser - please - 
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fishbuck
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Brandi dear, I'm sorry your feelings got hurt.
Your little speech was very pretty... but a bit flawed.
Let's review this a little.
A 67 year old man with a serious life threatening illness decides it's a good idea to go to a remote location in Baja that has limited medical
services and almost no emergency services.
Predictably his condition worsens. I doubt it happened instantly. Probably over a couple of days. Still time to drive himself to the local clinic...
but no.
Finally his condition deteriorates to the point that a "LifeFlight" ride is necessary.
Good thing he has med evac insurance. But no.
So the US taxpayers have to fly him to safety at about $100,000.
Do you have any idea how expensive it is to fly one of the Coast Guard helicopters?
If your friend had to pay for that cash up front... he'd be dead now.
If he were "able" (healthy and fit) as you say to spend time in baja... he wouldn't have needed a helicopter ride out.
I am glad for him that he is okay... but he used very poor judgement by placing himself in that situation. It was selfish and irresponsible.
[Edited on 1-27-2010 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Elinvestig8r/David,
Taze me quickly before I say something inappropriate.  |
Tony I had to get your tasering image from the Taser Hall of Fame over on the other side of the Baja Nomad vail!
 Shhhhhh don't say it!
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Stickers
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
We conservatives believe in the God given freedoms that ALL people should have and become as prosperous as they desire... in all countries. It is
greedy governments that keep its people poor... or in our (U.S.) case this year, try to make as many poor as possible to gain more power over us.
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Taser - please - |
Stickers It would be hard for me to taser David K. for saying some of the things he says because I am his Conservative Republican friend. I love it
when he says the stuff he does in here. I especially like it when what he says gets under the skin of "Some People" in here! It makes me happy to see
them get upset at nothing!
[Edited on 1-27-2010 by ELINVESTIG8R]
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I love it when we can all come together!
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David K
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Lord knows I try (to be friendly to everyone here, and not start a political rant...) but will point out when I am responding to one STARTED by
another Nomad, before me... that the 'lefties' here NEVER seem to notice)!!
Again... freedom should be for EVERYONE, not just the ones that think like you! 
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nena
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How about a hug nena  ?
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nena
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Note to my friend David K. Never ask for a hug after you taser someone!
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David K
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Did I taser somebody? I don't even own one... LOL
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
Brandi dear, I'm sorry your feelings got hurt.
Your little speech was very pretty... but a bit flawed.
Let's review this a little.
A 67 year old man with a serious life threatening illness decides it's a good idea to go to a remote location in Baja that has limited medical
services and almost no emergency services.
Predictably his condition worsens. I doubt it happened instantly. Probably over a couple of days. Still time to drive himself to the local clinic...
but no.
Finally his condition deteriorates to the point that a "LifeFlight" ride is necessary.
Good thing he has med evac insurance. But no.
So the US taxpayers have to fly him to safety at about $100,000.
Do you have any idea how expensive it is to fly one of the Coast Guard helicopters?
If your friend had to pay for that cash up front... he'd be dead now.
If he were "able" (healthy and fit) as you say to spend time in baja... he wouldn't have needed a helicopter ride out.
I am glad for him that he is okay... but he used very poor judgement by placing himself in that situation. It was selfish and irresponsible.
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Ditto's
And how about the 9 "expert" bike riders that had to get pulled out too.. 
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I am amazed at how someone can make such assumptions and "assume" facts not in existance inorder to support their own opinioin.
1. My friend had no symptoms indicating that he would become ill, prior to his trip to Gonzaga and had he had symptoms would not have made the trip.
2. His medical issue came on extremely suddenly and he would not have made the trip to the border in a truck, and survived.
3. There was no assumption that the Coasties were going to come get him, or any one else for that matter, that notification was made by someone other
than the parties involved.
4. We are all entitled to our opinions about the role of the Coast Guard, however you might take a look at their mission footprint for 2009.
The service was dispersed globally: Caribean training with 11 foreign countries. In June, 2009 the cutter Legare, deployed to central and western
Africa serving the Africa comand as well as the 6th Fleet, conducting maritime law enforcement operations and taining exercises with Morocco, Senegal
and Sierra Leone. In September the Coast Guard delivered relief supplies and conducted pollution and environmental impact assesments in American
Samoa. Six patrol boats and 400 personnel were assigned to the Persian Gulf inorder to protect Iraqui oil platforms and structures.
According to Coast Guard Commander Thad Allen, the Guards first duty is homeland security.
I personally plan on writing a letter of thanks to Admiral Allen for the response to Gonzaga. If the Coasties send our friends a bill, I will chip in.
After all if we can guard Iraqui oil platforms at a cost of millions of dollars, and the threat of lives, thank the lord we can spend a few bucks to
help one of our own, 276 miles south of the border.
I understand emphatically why one should not respond to these forums. This has been a lesson for me.
Jim D.
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fishbuck
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Jim, I'm sorry your feelings got hurt...
A person does not become dehydrated to the point of death "extremely suddenly". That takes time.
I'm sure everyone is glad your friend is doing better.
But he had just had a major surgery 2 months prior. And I can only imagine he was quite sick prior to that.
If they had to remove a section of his bowel that is very serious. I imagine he was still wearing a colostomy bag and the risk of infection is very
high.
I know about this because a coworker had this condition and almost died. And he was much younger than your friend.
Even after the colostomy bag is no longer needed it takes a long time for the intestine to heal and there is a risk of leakage into the abdominal
cavity and this also can be fatal if not treated immediately.
Why would he take a chance like that?
And no I'm not a doctor but I can read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colostomy
Again I am glad your friend survived and I hope he makes a full recovery.
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"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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I guess it is time for people to review the USCG mission:
http://www.uscg.mil/top/missions/
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Norte
Lets not bring facts into the picture when we can p___ on rightie and lefties
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fishbuck
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FY 2000. * A Coast Guard HH-65 Dolphin helicopter has an operating cost of $5,173.00 per hour.
That was 10 years ago. My guess would be double that today.
Maximum speed: 160 knots, 184 mph
"276 miles south of the border" x 2 + distance from Yuma to San Diego 171 miles= 723 miles/ 150mph= approx 5 hours of flight time.
Or about $50,000 plus other administrative costs.
So Jim and Doug you owe the Coast Guard about $50,000+
Will that be cash or check...
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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And now, after doing little more than stirring the pot, DK has twenty-one thousand two hundred and fifty-THREE posts.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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hey brandi and jim D. don't be deterred by blowhards masquerading as baja affectionados with nothing better to do than run up their number of posts.
see ya in GB.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
hey brandi and jim D. don't be deterred by blowhards masquerading as baja affectionados with nothing better to do than run up their number of posts.
see ya in GB. |
willardguy, I'm sorry your feelings got hurt... no not really
I want to try and soften this up a little.
Doug, congratulations on an awesome rescue. I think it's safe to say every one on this board is impressed and happy you are safe.
Well done everyone who was involved.
I learned alot in this thread.
I am very impressed with the Binational lady Olivia.
I am definately going to join her organization.
Next I found out the an AAAPlus membership has Aeromedivac coverage. But your must have $25000 available balance on your credit card.
I have both of those and need to file that with Olivia at Binational.
And I hope I never need it. But if I do I hope they send that beautiful United States Coast Guard Helicopter to fly me to the best hospital there is.
God Bless you Doug and all your people!
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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