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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
But, like I said before, I believe folks like this should be required by international law (whatever that is) to post a bond before trying something
like this.
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And EVERY sailor leaving a port should have to post the same bond. Many times more money is spent rescuing drunks and fools with boats than this
incident.
The Coast Guard reports that 95 percent of all sea rescue missions occur less than 20 miles from the shoreline.
I rest my case---- |
only old people would say something so stupid.
and old people like low and barry cost more money too. old people should just be terminated at age 65 to save money for us young people.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I don't want "control" over the populace, I just don't want my budget busted because I have to spend umteen thousands on rescuing somebody that got
themselves in trouble by taking pretty outrageous risks, or being stupid. Believe me it has happened more than once, and I just think it is
irresponsible for folks expecting to be rescued at public expense when they get in trouble for doing dumb things. All the rest of us have to suffer
when this happens.
I realize the "bond" idea will never fly, but I still think it is a good idea. As you may, or may not, know public agencies involved in these types of
rescues are more and more going after the victims for financial reimbursement--------it is just a necessary fact of life.
This particular "rescue" effort compared to helping somebody in Baja is like comparing apples and oranges, to me-------totally different.
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barry, if you reduce your arguments to "facts of life," the fact is you old people cost more to society than you contribute. i don't want any of my
tax dollars wasted on stupid, old or unhealthy people like barry.
barry, if you reduce your arguments to "facts of life," the fact is you old people don't drive as well, poor reflexes, yo know? i don't want you
endangering youth on the road. why do we allow you to drive?
in fact, i say as soon as old people are more of a burden than a contribution, if you don't work, or require public transport, it is time for gas
chamber.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I don't want "control" over the populace, I just don't want my budget busted because I have to spend umteen thousands |
I, I, my, I,...
barry, you make it sound like it is your money. it is not your money. it is our money. id don't think you work, so perhaps the "our" does not
include you."
when old people say stupid stuff, perhaps their right to vote should be taken away, eh?
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Not even a drop in the bucket compared to what Government blows every minute of every day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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The Nautical Nanny
The USCG has the authority to prevent a voyage from being undertaken, or at least, prevent the voyage originating from a U.S. port. It is used in
"Extremely" Few very flagrant instances.
So far.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
Not even a drop in the bucket compared to what Government blows every minute of every day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Of course you are right, but it is still money (ie part of the problem) and it is being spent on things that simply are not the publics
responsibility, in my opinion. I certainly want the SAR activities to continue (most are voluntary anyway) but I also want people that take these
extreme risks to also assume some responsibility.
-----and it IS my money, in two ways. (1) I pay taxes too----and (2) I was responsible for the budget of my Ranger organization in El Centro, and
when we expended money on un-planned activities (ie. SAR) we had to save money in other ways to make it up, and the public services were the areas
that we ALWAYS cut back to make it up----thus everybody who normally received those services, didn't. (of course some would say "who needs the
services", and I understand that)
Thank Gawd for the voluntary SAR groups, as they encountered the bulk of the expenditures, but it was still our basic responsibility to coordinate and
participate in most SAR activities in our area on Public Lands. The Sheriff has the legal responsibility, and bares a lot of the costs, also. (more
tax money)
I just was making a point-------and many don't agree, I know. We all have our own perspectives. I just believe in "personal responsibility" and less
Govt. responsibility as a viable and sustainable system.
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Goat, you are such a jerk!!! I don't know....nor do I care....how old you are. If your parents & grandparents are still alive, do they fall into
this "old" category you feel should be exterminated?
Did you ever stop to think that those you are calling old, stupid, at deaths door, a drain on society....just might have a helluva lot more actual
life experiences which have helped mold their views on all kinds of different things you've yet to experience & some things you'll never
experience because you were born too late? On a pro-rated basis, the older generation has contributed more to society & more in tax dollars than
you have at this point in your life!!
The delicious irony is that with each disrespectful keystroke of each & every rude post you make....YOU'RE just that much closer
to becoming one of the "stupid, worthless old people" you feel should be exterminated at 65!
Stop the irrational personal attacks & maybe try to remember what I assume your parents & teachers attempted to instill in you when you were
little...."respect your elders!" "Do unto others...." or in your generations terminology, "If you can't say anything nice...."
then put a sock in it! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Goat, you are such a jerk!!! I don't know....nor do I care....how old you are. If your parents & grandparents are still alive, do they fall into
this "old" category you feel should be exterminated?
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old long legs,
i only say those things to show barry how ridiculous he is.
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Sorry, Jack Swords. My bad. I apologize. I was way too hasty in my response and glossed over a few things. I have breathed into a paper back, knocked
down a dirty martini, and had a few other "helpers" to calm things down.
Come on, Mike - come join me in outer space - the view is fantastic from up here, and much quieter than a turboprop!!
Whoa there, Cowboy - pull back on those reins!
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Response from the sailing community
Worth a reprint:
The tremendous news is that 16-year-old Abby Sunderland of Thousand Oaks, who set off two EPIRBs deep in the Southern Ocean yesterday from her Open 40
Wild Eyes, has been located in good health by a Qantas airliner chartered by the Australian government. While her boat, which has five watertight
compartments, has been dismasted, Sunderland reported over the VHF that she was in good shape. Hopefully she can stay that way for the next 24 to 36
hours until one of three French fishing boats, whose crews presumably have better things to do than risk their lives rescuing fame-struck teenage
girls, can save her. Word is expected at any moment from stage parents Laurence and Marianne Sunderland that the very first proceeds from their
daughter's upcoming book and movie deals will be used to generously compensate the crews and owners of the fishing boats who are risking their own
lives to save their daughter's.
There is delicious irony in the Australian government — and therefore Aussie taxpayers — coughing up the dough to charter the Qantas plane that found
Sunderland. It was less than one month ago that most Aussies, and their blow-in-the-wind political leaders such as Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, went
ga-ga over 16-year-old Aussie Jessica Watson's having become the youngest person to have almost sailed around the world non-stop and singlehanded.
(Her course was a little too short to meet the criteria, but who wants to split hairs?) One wonders how many times Rudd and his countrymen and women
will be willing to charter Qantas jets to find 16-year-olds eager to put it all on the line in search of a spot on the cover of People magazine before
the practice becomes old and overly expensive.
The reaction of Abby's parents — who, based on public opinion, seem to be frontrunners for 'Worst Parents of the Year' honors — to the possibility
that their young daughter might be dead was illuminating. They seemed to think that if Abby had died, well, all of life is a risk, and she could just
as easily have been killed on the 405. Boy, who wouldn't love to get into a poker game with folks who calculate the odds the way they do? And to think
they would ante up their daughter's life making such a bet. And make no mistake, none of this "Abby's lifetime dream since she was 13" rubbish would
have been possible without the undying commitment and encouragement of her parents.
As we read many of the comments to various media about Sunderland's EPIRBs going off, we were reminded of how ignorant — perhaps understandably so —
the general public is about sailing and sailing around the world in particular. Most astounding were the number of commenters who believed that
Sunderland had been picked off by Arab pirates! Indeed, some thought she had become a victim of the white slave trade as opposed to the weather.
Little did they realize that icebergs were a 1,000 times greater threat to Abby than were pirates. Others speculated on how difficult it was going to
be to find Sunderland, given that the area she was in — between Antarctica, South Africa and Australia — is as big as Russia. Not quite clear on the
near pinpoint accuracy of EPIRBs and GPS, are we?
What many sailors don't even seem to realize is the amount of risk that Sunderland's parents were willing to expose their daughter to. After all,
there are ho-hum circumnavigations, and then there are difficult circumnavigations. Abby's brother Zac's trip around was the former. Shepherded by his
parents at great expense, he went around on a route that many people have done on tight budgets and without any assistance. Heck, Berkeley's Serge
Testa did it on a homebuilt 12-footer. Such circumnavigations are not to be sneezed at, but they normally aren't that hard. The difference is that
most circumnavigators don't make such a big deal of it, such as spending the last night at Emerald Bay on Catalina in order to give the press a chance
to congregate for the really big media fest at Marina del Rey the next day.
As we've written before, Abby's circumnavigation was like climbing Mt. Everest compared to Zac's, which was like climbing Mt. Tam. Her attempt was to
not only be non-stop, but non-stop via the Southern Ocean. That 16-year-old Jessica Watson was able to accomplish that is a truly remarkable feat, and
a credit to both her and the durability and reliability of her S&S 34 Ella's Pink Lady. As silly and completely stupid as we think age-based
record setting is, there is no denying what Watson accomplished.
In order to get into the non-existent record book — World Speed Sailing Association as well as Guiness and many others won't accept age-based records
because of the risks — Abby had to start her circumnavigation at the wrong time or she would be too old. When you sail around the world, even the easy
way, you do it by the seasons. That's even more important when going around the hard way. When the great maxi French mulithulls attempt around the
world records, their window is always November to about March. Why? Because as Adrienne Cahalan, navigator on Playstation's record circumnavigation
said, "You don't sail in the Southern Ocean in the winter." You just don't do it. Not the Volvo, not the Vendée, not The Race, not
nobody. If the world's greatest sailors will wait a full year just to stay out of the Southern Ocean in winter — when there are gales 30% of the time
as opposed to 5% of the time in summer — you'd think the parents of a 16-year-old minor would make their daughter do the same. But then more than a
few parents have been blinded by the lure of the possibility of their child becoming famous.
From the ghetto, Fiddy Cent rapped that he was going to "Get rich or die tryin'." We suppose this is the Thousand-oh-so-close-to-Hollywood-Oaks'
version, which might be titled 'Get famous or die tryin'. We're sure glad Abby didn't die. As for becoming famous, she's gotten even more of it than
she could have dreamed of. In fact, you have to feel sorry for Watson who, despite being the one who actually accomplished her goal, has now been
upstaged by Abby's failure. In the minds of experienced sailors, however, we think Abby Sunderland is going to be famous, not for her sailing,
but for having been played for the fool by her irresponsible parents.
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"Come on, Mike - come join me in outer space - the view is fantastic from up here, and much quieter than a turboprop!! "
hahaha of course i would! anytime - beam me up! i am all for meating the aliens...
but now what i want to know is what's a mulithull?? is that a boat with a bad haircut??
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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"Response from the sailing community" This commentary was written by Richard Spindler who is the owner of Latitude 38 a sailing Rag.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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In addition...
| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
"Response from the sailing community" This commentary was written by Richard Spindler who is the owner of Latitude 38 a sailing Rag.
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Spindler was a competitive sailor having logged thousands of sea miles.
What's your "blue water" experience?
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Dave
Do you want me to write a book?
I had every copy of latitude 38 before I started coming to Mexico.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Nah
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Do you want me to write a book?
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Just want to know, based on your experience, why you think his opinions aren't credible.
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Dave
I sure don't know where you get that, I agree with him completely!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Apologies
I thought you were dissing the guy.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
"Response from the sailing community" This commentary was written by Richard Spindler who is the owner of Latitude 38 a sailing Rag. [/quote
I agree with him, me and the wife did some sailing also, and used to read lat 38, nice read.
WTF was the parents thinking,, looking out for themselfs with the expence of their young daughter,,would this be considered child abuse?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
"Response from the sailing community" This commentary was written by Richard Spindler who is the owner of Latitude 38 a sailing Rag.
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I agree with him, my wife and I did some sailing and used to read Lat 38, nice read.
WTF was the parents thinking , looking out for themselfs with the expence of their young daughter, would this be considered child abuse?
well thats my take on this
[Edited on 6-14-2010 by desertcpl]
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The parents are currently the topic of a reality TV series........................
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