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Curt63
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Yep, Toyotas really suck
While were at it, there's this motorcycle company called Honda. They really suck too. Especially in Baja
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David K
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Toyota vs. Jeep
Sent to me from a Nomad FJ Cruiser owner... No doubt, the Toyota Active Traction Control (A-TRAC) system that is also on '09 and newer Off Road TRD
Tacomas may have helped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8rLO-hDWHo&NR=1&feat...
[Edited on 3-26-2010 by David K]
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Curt63
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Nice video. Toyota ... too legit to quit.
Hmmm Toyotas pulling out other vehicles...sounds like a new thread.
Sorry for the small pics. This one tells the rest of the story. Those are 2 waverunners on a trailer.
Can anyone expand these photos? I tried but...
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woody with a view
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yeah, my tundra pulled a f350 double cab 4x4 outta the soft sand last summer on the beach. i almost didn't feel it back there......
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Curt63
Nice video. Toyota ... too legit to quit.
Hmmm Toyotas pulling out other vehicles...sounds like a new thread.
Sorry for the small pics. This one tells the rest of the story. Those are 2 waverunners on a trailer.
Can anyone expand these photos? I tried but...
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Is the original photo on you computer? Either upload it again to where-ever the photo is hosted at a larger upload setting (it is a avatar/ thumbnail
size now)... Or, email it to me and I will repost it here... Email me with the photo file attachment.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
yeah, my tundra pulled a f350 double cab 4x4 outta the soft sand last summer on the beach. i almost didn't feel it back there......
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We still like our old Tundra, but the owners of Toyota are still scumbags----
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woody with a view
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you mean us? or the stock holders? or the toyoda's?
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
you mean us? or the stock holders? or the toyoda's? |
Clarity, clarity, clarity----not there is it. 
1. While I do believe there are some real scumbags who own toyota vehicles, I did not mean them. There are also some nice people who own toyota
vehicles.
2. Not the average stock holder-----lots of reason.
3. The Toyodas and those who made the business decisions I believe are real scumbags who lack all ethics.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Sent to me from a Nomad FJ Cruiser owner... No doubt, the Toyota Active Traction Control (A-TRAC) system that is also on '09 and newer Off Road TRD
Tacomas may have helped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8rLO-hDWHo&NR=1&feat...
[Edited on 3-26-2010 by David K] |
I read the May 2010 "SMACKDOWN" article - FJ Toyota Vs JK Wrangler, and I'm still surprised the FJ runs only on 91 Octane fuel.
Also, I read that the A-TRAC system does not stand up to an actual Locking Differential. It is some sort of torque-sensing differential that doesn't
apply 100% torque at any one time. Hey, whatever works to get you off-road is my philosophy. But, I'm perfectly happy with my Rubicon. The FJ's
look great lifted high, but variety is the Salsa of life.
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TMW
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The bad thing about the Toyota rear locker is it only works in 4 wheel low. The good thing is it turns off the ABS system. I would prefer it work in
both 4x4 positions and turn off the ABS in both.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
The bad thing about the Toyota rear locker is it only works in 4 wheel low. The good thing is it turns off the ABS system. I would prefer it work in
both 4x4 positions and turn off the ABS in both. |
The Rubicon can be modified so that it's locker will work also in 4 Hi. I am sure a simple modification exists also for the FJ.
But, my question is - How easy/hard is it to keep an FJ gassed up while out in the backcountry of Baja for 2-3 days??? Would octane booster work???
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
you mean us? or the stock holders? or the toyoda's? |
Clarity, clarity, clarity----not there is it.
1. While I do believe there are some real scumbags who own toyota vehicles, I did not mean them. There are also some nice people who own toyota
vehicles.
2. Not the average stock holder-----lots of reason.
3. The Toyodas and those who made the business decisions I believe are real scumbags who lack all ethics. |
Diana, I think it is not a simple decision made by Mr. Toyoda. Originally it was a decision made by people in the U.S. to downplay or not make a big
issue. Bad publicity has a negative effect on sales and all companies try to downplay such things. Toyota having a reputation for quality was taken to
the cleaners by the media over the gas peddle thing and Toyota for whatever reason did not handle it well at first. Fact is when compared to the
millions and millions of vehicles they have sold over the past years there have been 38 deaths in the last 8 years. No death is good but compare that
to other vehicle deaths and it's a drop in the bucket so to speak. If Toyota was a much smaller company the impact from the media would be minimal.
Ford got the same attention from the Pinto gas tank issue and rollover of their SUVs. Was the head of Ford brought before a congessional committee.
No. GM caught heat from the gas tanks on their full size truck bursting into flames and what really saved them was that in the NBC TV show it was
found out the scene was rigged with explosives to ensure the tanks did explode. To his credit Mr Toyoda did not have to testify, he is not a U.S.
citizen and does not live in the U.S., but he did.
I think Toyota learned a very valuable lesson in all this. If something negative happens like this come across as a concerned company and show that
you are doing everything in your power to fix it. Be proactive not defensive. Don't appear to blame it on something stupid like a floor mat not being
right even if it is. They are the big guys in the auto world and everyone knows the media likes to build you up then knock you down.
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TMW
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
The bad thing about the Toyota rear locker is it only works in 4 wheel low. The good thing is it turns off the ABS system. I would prefer it work in
both 4x4 positions and turn off the ABS in both. |
The Rubicon can be modified so that it's locker will work also in 4 Hi. I am sure a simple modification exists also for the FJ.
But, my question is - How easy/hard is it to keep an FJ gassed up while out in the backcountry of Baja for 2-3 days??? Would octane booster work???
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You would have to carry your own gas and maybe lots of it or a booster. I wonder what the effects are if 87 octane gas was used. I believe the engine
is the same 4Liter V6 used in the Tacoma and other Toyota vehicles. My guess is you could use 87 instead of 91 but if you had a warranty problem it
could become an issue.
I pulled a FJ and a chevy 4x4 and a MB SUV out of the snow yesterday in the mountains. I had a snowcat.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
you mean us? or the stock holders? or the toyoda's? |
Clarity, clarity, clarity----not there is it.
1. While I do believe there are some real scumbags who own toyota vehicles, I did not mean them. There are also some nice people who own toyota
vehicles.
2. Not the average stock holder-----lots of reason.
3. The Toyodas and those who made the business decisions I believe are real scumbags who lack all ethics. |
Diana, I think it is not a simple decision made by Mr. Toyoda. Originally it was a decision made by people in the U.S. to downplay or not make a big
issue. Bad publicity has a negative effect on sales and all companies try to downplay such things. Toyota having a reputation for quality was taken to
the cleaners by the media over the gas peddle thing and Toyota for whatever reason did not handle it well at first. Fact is when compared to the
millions and millions of vehicles they have sold over the past years there have been 38 deaths in the last 8 years. No death is good but compare that
to other vehicle deaths and it's a drop in the bucket so to speak. If Toyota was a much smaller company the impact from the media would be minimal.
Ford got the same attention from the Pinto gas tank issue and rollover of their SUVs. Was the head of Ford brought before a congessional committee.
No. GM caught heat from the gas tanks on their full size truck bursting into flames and what really saved them was that in the NBC TV show it was
found out the scene was rigged with explosives to ensure the tanks did explode. To his credit Mr Toyoda did not have to testify, he is not a U.S.
citizen and does not live in the U.S., but he did.
I think Toyota learned a very valuable lesson in all this. If something negative happens like this come across as a concerned company and show that
you are doing everything in your power to fix it. Be proactive not defensive. Don't appear to blame it on something stupid like a floor mat not being
right even if it is. They are the big guys in the auto world and everyone knows the media likes to build you up then knock you down.
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TW,
You make some very good points---and yes, Mr. Toyoda did not have to appear in front of Congress, but it was a wise business decision on his part.
And yes, I am sure they learned a very good lesson----and they handled it very poorly at first. Money far too often trumps the consideration of life.
In the long run, IMHO, it is yet another lesson of why the free market needs supervision and regulation. Even Adam Smith knew it. There is nothing
wrong with business and profit, but when that evil side of human nature takes over, greed, money is all that counts. Be it controls over
environmental issues, safety, or greed that destroys the lives of others, I believe it to be one of the primary functions of government---the
protection of its citizens from external and internal threats.
I also agree that people should take personal responsibility for their own actions in many ways. If I trip over a lump in the sidewalk, it is because
I am clumsy and not paying attention. I used to manage several commercial buildings for an investment company and we faced several stupid law suits.
However, when it comes to companies who are not paying attention to safety issues,(and Mr. Toyoda admitted quality control was down) or dumping
hazardous waste into ground water, those things, IMHO, negate much of the personal responsibility.
Pintos? yikes, I remember that well. I owned one at the time, but it was the Pinto station wagon. It was not included in the recall, but the value
dropped like a rock. Come to think of it, I also owned an old Pontiac Le Mans when problems with the steering were discovered, and VW Bug when for no
real reason, they were suddenly out of favor, and now a Toyota!
Sometimes I wish I could go back to my very first car that I inherited from my older sister. It was an old 49 four door-- well at least three of
them worked -- Plymouth blue and rust sedan with a fuzzy headliner where my friends signed their names. And with every 50 cents worth of gas I put in
it, I also added a quart of 10 reclaimed oil. But it kept running. And since my sister had paid $85.00 for it, it was not a big loss when it finally
died.
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fishingmako
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Diana showing your age, you are so right those good old cars ran well, and never had any problems to speak of.
I had a 53 Chevy totaly cusomized, lowered, chopped, channeled. all I ever did was to put brushes in the??? I forgot the name, not a alternator that
is the new name, anyway that is funny you mentioned oil, I used reclaimed oil @ .10/ quart. those were the good olod days.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishingmako
Diana showing your age, you are so right those good old cars ran well, and never had any problems to speak of.
I had a 53 Chevy totaly cusomized, lowered, chopped, channeled. all I ever did was to put brushes in the??? I forgot the name, not a alternator that
is the new name, anyway that is funny you mentioned oil, I used reclaimed oil @ .10/ quart. those were the good olod days. |
Well, my car was the oldest car of any of my friends---all my friends learned to drive a stick shift in it ---the old three speed on the column under
the steering wheel that was as big as a flying saucer. But, yes, I am old
Loved the old bottles that 10cent oil came in. Made it real easy to fill er up.
Now my older brother ended up with a car I wish I still had. It was 1957 Green Impala that he had pin striped and reupholstered with Tuck and Roll in
Tijuana. I think I was allowed to touch it just once. 
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fishingmako
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Yes that was great the old oil bottles, they are worth a good amount now, I saw some a while back at a Antique show pretty pricy as any Antiques, ROY
ROGERS, GENE AUTRY, LONG RANGER, and more lunch pails worth around $350.00 each now if it has a thermos and all in good shape it will bring upwards of
$550.00 + amazing. Antiques are priceless.
My 53 Chevy had tuck and roll was like piano keys, chrome garnish rails, carpet to match, all done in TJ the good old Days, Kiss them Goodbye.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Sent to me from a Nomad FJ Cruiser owner... No doubt, the Toyota Active Traction Control (A-TRAC) system that is also on '09 and newer Off Road TRD
Tacomas may have helped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8rLO-hDWHo&NR=1&feat...
[Edited on 3-26-2010 by David K] |
I read the May 2010 "SMACKDOWN" article - FJ Toyota Vs JK Wrangler, and I'm still surprised the FJ runs only on 91 Octane fuel.
Also, I read that the A-TRAC system does not stand up to an actual Locking Differential. It is some sort of torque-sensing differential that doesn't
apply 100% torque at any one time. Hey, whatever works to get you off-road is my philosophy. But, I'm perfectly happy with my Rubicon. The FJ's
look great lifted high, but variety is the Salsa of life. |
Hi Ken,
The A-TRAC (Active Traction Control) works very well, and in some ways is superior to lockers... The system (like a locker) matches wheel rotation on
each axle when one tire loses traction... However... it will allow the tires to rotate seperatly for turning on tight trails. A locker has no such
ability and tends to make the vehicle track straight ahead... and that could be a prblem on a narrow road. A-TRAC works in Low range only, as does the
Tacoma's rear locker (which is still included, but may never be needed with A-TRAC).
In High Range, we now have TRAC... the same hydraulic booster that runs A-TRAC works on TRAC in 4WD and with the AUTO LSD in 2WD (works like
Posi-Traction)... both tires get power per axle, unless one looses traction... Torque is diverted to the tire with traction... and that prevents
digging a hole by spinning in loose sand/ mud/ snow as would otherwise happen with open differentials (pre- 2009) Tacomas.
I did a write up on these various traction choices we have with the 4WD Off Road TRD Tacoma (9 drive modes) because many Tacoma owners don't know or
understand what they have when they get teir new Tacoma... The owners manual and salesmen don't do a good job of explaining how they work... See these
threads at TacomaWorld.com:
Tacoma's TRAC, AUTO LSD, A-TRAC Explained
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Curt63
Nice video. Toyota ... too legit to quit.
Hmmm Toyotas pulling out other vehicles...sounds like a new thread.
Sorry for the small pics. This one tells the rest of the story. Those are 2 waverunners on a trailer.
Can anyone expand these photos? I tried but...
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Here is a photo that Curt emailed me today... I did photo shop it, as it was pretty dark (gloomy Pacific side of Baja)!
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