Originally posted by Ken Bondy
then goes on to state things with certainty that cannot possibly be known.
There's even a word [well...it's more than just a word] for it...Faith. I spent seven years in a Catholic school trying to figure that one out.
Never did. I forced me into a period of scepticism from which I never emerged.
Poor baby. I myself was reared by Athiests. Same result ...
Originally posted by wilderone
"How do you know this?"
I see it with my own eyes every day. I "know" this because I have experienced it. I know this because I have studied for years about the big "WHY" -
driven by extraordinary events - and, as a result, have also come to believe what others have personally experienced and shared. You can believe what
you want, live the way you want - I'm speaking for myself and only trying to share what I have come to know through little miracles, seeing small
pieces of the divine puzzle put into place, which in turn tells me I have so little understanding of the PLAN. I can only choose acceptance of some
things, faith in other things, hope for other things, and a conscious or mostly unconscious willingness to follow the path we chose before we were
born onto this plane we call earth. Being put through hell on earth has its merits. If your life is not tasked with unduly harsh experiences -
physical, spiritual, economic - then you haven't had the opportunity to learn some of these truths, therefore, you're not in a position to tell those
of us who have that they do not exist.
So. I just spent valuable time reading a four page thread about a Green Angel being shot to death, and mostly what I've learned is that Dennis and
MsTerieus are both agnostic?
Sonja: Boris, Let me show you how absurd your position is. Let's say there is no God, and each man is free to do exactly as he
chooses. What prevents you from murdering somebody? Boris: Murder's immoral. Sonja: Immorality is subjective. Boris: Yes, but subjectivity is objective. Sonja: Not in a rational scheme of perception. Boris: Perception is irrational. It implies immanence. Sonja: But judgment of any system or a priori relation of phenomena exists in any rational or metaphysical or at least
epistemological contradiction to an abstracted empirical concept such as being or to be or to occur in the thing itself or of the thing itself. Boris: Yeah, I've said that many times
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
He's always good for these kind of discussions:
Sonja: Boris, Let me show you how absurd your position is. Let's say there is no God, and each man is free to do exactly as he
chooses. What prevents you from murdering somebody? Boris: Murder's immoral. Sonja: Immorality is subjective. Boris: Yes, but subjectivity is objective. Sonja: Not in a rational scheme of perception. Boris: Perception is irrational. It implies immanence. Sonja: But judgment of any system or a priori relation of phenomena exists in any rational or metaphysical or at least
epistemological contradiction to an abstracted empirical concept such as being or to be or to occur in the thing itself or of the thing itself. Boris: Yeah, I've said that many times
That's as good an explanation as any Skipjack!
There's an old African saying that after God created the world he threw away the key...of course that's metaphor and its just showing that whatever
God or the source of all this is is a mystery and it will always be a mystery. The screwy thing about humans is that someone will take it literally
and create a religion around finding a lost key (aka The Grail)! Metaphor (mythology) is a wonderful thing to unlock your psyche and journey
inwards, if you are so inclined, but beware the institutionalizing of it. Houston Smith said the upside to religion is that its carrying a body of
spiritual knowledge through time but what a price...maybe.
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
So. I just spent valuable time reading a four page thread about a Green Angel being shot to death, and mostly what I've learned is that Dennis and
MsTerieus are both agnostic?
I don't believe MsT is agnostic. May have been, but not now. Especially not today, being the Sabbath for some.
Isn't it amazing, how a thread about the murder of some poor "Green Angel" evolved into a thread about religion or the believe in the lack
thereoff.
Will we find out, after we kick the proverbial bucket, what this was all about..... or...... will going back to mother earth, be the grand
finally. The old dust to dust and nothing else believe.
Which means, no final judgment for kind folks like Hitler, Stalin, and all the other miscreants of this world.
It is interesting how a string about the murder of a Green Angel (or an Ice Cream Man), has evolved into a discussion about the validity of the belief
in God, or not.
This is probably a natural step. This shocking story of such a benevolent figure as a Green Angel causes all of us to look inward for an answer to the
question, "How could this be?"
This is a good discussion! And it is really not an "antagonistic" one. There is some good stuff contributed by some good minds here. We all tap into
our individual belief systems and come up with our own answers. It is nice to see these argued civilly and shared.
A Green Angel murdered? How can this be? We may never know, but the question shall
remain a rhetorical one, as does the question of religion.
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