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elgatoloco
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RIP. Hearts go out to friends and family left to make sense of the tragedy and deal with the loss.
We had the pleasure of meeting 'Carlos' only once but it was obvious that the 'Fiesta' moniker was appropriate. He knew how to enjoy himself and get
everyone he met into the party mode.
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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oladulce
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Juan de rio, a very nice tribute (and email) about your good friend Carlos.
We saw the other 2 passengers surfing at 3rd point a few days ago. They were in the water for hours riding tiny waves all to themselves and we
commented "those guys have been out there forever". Now they truly will be.
Our sincere condolences to their families and friends.
[Edited on 11-25-2010 by oladulce]
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Sallysouth
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Oh crap.Carlos was one really nice guy and very interesting.What a book he could've written!I met him with one of my daughters, at DavidK's Amigo
party in Carlsbad.I remember how warm and funny he was, and a complete gentleman. Surely he will be missed by many and our condolences to his family
as well as the other two Baja lovers that were with Carlos.RIP Carlos....
Happiness is just a Baja memory away...
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Ken Bondy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
that was great John. i know 1st hand how close you guys all are.
please send me the info on services when they are available. you have my email.
i'll cherish the time in Nov 2001 when Chuck motored into Mulege up the river on his odessy in the figian panga and broke the prop which we got fixed
for him, and he and i met at the bar 1st time as planned via our prior emailing and off the old amigo's board. What a guy! What a life's worth of
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mike from the above messages it seems that they cleared Mexican customs in San Felipe, then flew to Calexico for US customs, then headed for Torrance.
Do you know if that was correct?
carpe diem!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
Oh crap. Carlos was one really nice guy and very interesting. What a book he could've written! I met him with one of my daughters, at David K's Viva
Baja party in Oceanside. I remember how warm and funny he was, and a complete gentleman. Surely he will be missed by many and our condolences to his
family as well as the other two Baja lovers that were with Carlos. RIP Carlos.... |
He did write a book!
Carlos Fiesta's Ocean Odyssey
Here is your daughter and Carlos at Viva Baja-3 (2002):
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capt. mike
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no Ken i do not but....
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
that was great John. i know 1st hand how close you guys all are.
please send me the info on services when they are available. you have my email.
i'll cherish the time in Nov 2001 when Chuck motored into Mulege up the river on his odessy in the figian panga and broke the prop which we got fixed
for him, and he and i met at the bar 1st time as planned via our prior emailing and off the old amigo's board. What a guy! What a life's worth of
adventure! |
mike from the above messages it seems that they cleared Mexican customs in San Felipe, then flew to Calexico for US customs, then headed for Torrance.
Do you know if that was correct? |
from what i have gathered he did go to calexico which would make sense, gassing was or should have been expected - most of it does not tho - and i
will refrain from expounding here since there were deaths, there is another thread on the subject elsewhere dealing with a lot of speculation and "get
home itis" always looms in these things - the Douglas thing in the cherokee 6 for eg.
lots of bad stuff about incl local WX which was crap, daylite ending and gas qty etc. A ditch in fixed gear is never pretty either. If it was about
missing homes what a hero!!
There but for the grace of Dios and all that applies.
there is a reason for the term, Time to spare, go by air.
i hope to be with his friends at services but waiting on word.
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MrBillM
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Unfortunate
That three people end up dead as a result of not maintaining a safe reserve of fuel.
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LancairDriver
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The old saying most pilots have heard many times about the three most useless things in flying are:
1. The altitude above you
2. The runway behind you and....
3. The fuel left behind in the tank
Never more true.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
That three people end up dead as a result of not maintaining a safe reserve of fuel. |
Just like Capt. Mike had mentioned, "The WX was bad". I am sure headwinds from the cold front that had been approaching decreased the amount of fuel
in Carlos Fiesta's fuel tank. Had he known that his plane might not have made it to Torrance, I am certain this would not have happened.
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Sallysouth
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Thanks David.Now I really want that book.I still can't believe he is gone...The man was so full of life and positive energy.
Happiness is just a Baja memory away...
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slimshady
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From the looks of the location of the crash. It appears he planned on ditching the aircraft in the upper bay. There is residential housing all around
this bay and he tried his best to bring it down safely. May they RIP.
33°37'47.50"N 117°53'11.37"W on Google earth is the spot.
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Stickers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
That three people end up dead as a result of not maintaining a safe reserve of fuel. |
Just like Capt. Mike had mentioned, "The WX was bad". I am sure headwinds from the cold front that had been approaching decreased the amount of fuel
in Carlos Fiesta's fuel tank. Had he known that his plane might not have made it to Torrance, I am certain this would not have happened.
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I was at the airport that afternoon and there was a stiff westerly wind blowing about 20mph at Santa Monica. His course from Calexico to Torrance
would have put him smack into that headwind........RIP
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bigjohn
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Update in the OC Register regarding the crash.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/plane-277460-say-coroner.html
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Marla Daily
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"On Sunday morning, the three men started on their trip home after stopping to refuel in San Felipe, said Leslie Chambers."
Did they get the fuel they thought they did? I was recently told of a plane that was shorted on fuel at San Felipe. Pilot paid for 15 gallons but only
got 10, despite pilot's insistence he was shorted.
On a HAPPY note, Carlos Fiesta left behind a Baja manuscript with a friend in Loreto. Stay tuned...
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capt. mike
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"Just like Capt. Mike had mentioned, "The WX was bad". I am sure headwinds from the cold front that had been approaching decreased the amount of fuel
in Carlos Fiesta's fuel tank. Had he known that his plane might not have made it to Torrance, I am certain this would not have happened"
the problem here is one can recheck the ETA against fuel burn via ground speed calcs all the time enroute. used to have to keep the whiz wheel at the
ready but now GPS and fuel totalizers are prevalent. Most hate to do a let down not planned and the pressure is to stretch it - but you can only
stretch so far.
gas left in the tank - that is to say gas left in the dispensary and not placed in the tank.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
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Juan del Rio
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Plane Crash Update Wednesday, November 24, 2010
Last night, Leslie (his wife) told me that she had spoken with the one of the investigators who was on the site of the crash. Russ Urban was in the
back seat, Sean Kelly was next to Carlos at the door. She said that they survived the crash, landed upside down in murky water. Chuck had his seat
belt off and his hands and body was positioned to try and to release Sean’s seat belt. The firemen were able to release Sean’s body from his seat
belt, but had to cut Russ’s seat belt to remove him.
They are still investigating the final cause of crash. The plane was in perfect mechanical order, current annual and all other paperwork related for
operating an aircraft was up to general aviation standards. Records show that he had purchased gas in San Felipe and Calexico.
We are all now trying to plan his memorial service. How do you cram Carlos fricken life into five days of planning and a two hour memorial service on
the beach??? You don’t…especially for someone like Carlos.
It is now planned for Sunday at 3:00 pm. at Torrance Beach. To all Baja Nomads... I know he would appreciate it if you were here…but many of you
(like me) would be a fish out of Baja. I know he’d rather have you at a memorial service in Baja anyway. Carlos wouldn’t want it any other way. His
book, calendar, etc. are still being sorted out. Leslie had told me that I could bring some of his ashes to back to Baja and scatter them there. I had
picked up some sand from out front of Juan y Juan’s when I left on Monday and will mix it with the beach sand here when I say my good bye’s to him
after the eulogy. I will never say good bye to him in Baja. He will always live on for sure at Juan y Juan’s. His spirit soars.
Leslie is not ready to return yet, but she said she’d be back someday to Baja. Carlos will be ready for her.
[Edited on 11-24-2010 by Juan del Rio]
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David K
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Thank You Juan...
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MexicoTed
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Wow, I am so sorry to hear of this. I met Chuck a number of times and even spoke with him on the phone. He loved Baja and we had some great
conversations. He'll be missed for you.
Ted
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capt. mike
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thx for that, John.
a larger than life guy.
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
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Hook
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Refueled in San Felipe AND Calexico? Is that common? They are so close.
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