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[*] posted on 5-18-2011 at 08:54 PM


Some day, some way, there will be justice.
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[*] posted on 5-18-2011 at 08:59 PM


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What Juarez needs is a special forces team of assasins, no arrests, no trials just drop them where they find them kind of a thing.


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A Star Chamber type justice would work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magnificent_Seven

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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 08:17 AM


In august of 2008 my brother in law was assinated in Acapulco. He was a taxi driver for over 30 years and refused to be a halcon for the local cartel. So they hired his taxi one night and had him drive into the country where they pulled a gun on him and made him get out. His body was found several days later stuffed into the trunk of his own taxi he had been tortured then shot in the head. These same cartels then threatened his eldest son who was also a taxi driver. Eventually the family packed what belongings they could into two pick up trucks, 9 of them, three men two women and four children, leaving everything behind that they had (very nice home) and drove here to Loreto that september. They didn't like it here so a few weeks later they returned to the mainland to settle in PV. Most of them have since gone to the USA on refugee status.

I am sorry for your loss wooosh this war has affected many of us and it is senseless.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 10:50 AM


I am very sorry to hear of your loss. The world is a smaller place. We are all losing something to these terrorists, all of us. I am so sad to hear this. So much senseless violence, soul numbing violence, so many good people gone and now those left living with fear.

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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 11:14 AM


So wrong so sorry Godspeed our prayers to all of you dealing with this...:( We need to send the Bin Laden Team and take them all out 1 by 1!!!



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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 11:37 AM


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Some day, some way, there will be justice.


Not on this plain of existence. They mostly get away with it and murder others with almost total impunity. The legal system in Mexico is totally dysfunctional.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 12:37 PM


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In august of 2008 my brother in law was assinated in Acapulco. He was a taxi driver for over 30 years and refused to be a halcon for the local cartel. So they hired his taxi one night and had him drive into the country where they pulled a gun on him and made him get out. His body was found several days later stuffed into the trunk of his own taxi he had been tortured then shot in the head. These same cartels then threatened his eldest son who was also a taxi driver. Eventually the family packed what belongings they could into two pick up trucks, 9 of them, three men two women and four children, leaving everything behind that they had (very nice home) and drove here to Loreto that september. They didn't like it here so a few weeks later they returned to the mainland to settle in PV. Most of them have since gone to the USA on refugee status.

I am sorry for your loss wooosh this war has affected many of us and it is senseless.

I've gotten a handful of U2U's from Nomads who have been through similar experiences. We also had a cousin chased out of his TJ hardware business a few years back with detailed threats involving their children. They left for a year and went back to the same business with no problems since. You never know when they get the bad guys- no one calls "All ye all ye Outs in free" when the danger is over for you and it's safe to return to life. When you file a formal complaint with the PGJE they never tell you the outcome either. The screwed up legal system keeps everyone in fear- there is no relief- even when it "works", it doesn't.

I don't understand why the torture and dismemberment is necessary. Why torture a taxi driver or food stand owner? Are these the kids who tortured animals or were abused themselves growing up? They made a hood ornament out of my cousins head- for what?




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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 12:47 PM


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I don't understand why the torture and dismemberment is necessary. Why torture a taxi driver or food stand owner? Are these the kids who tortured animals or were abused themselves growing up? They made a hood ornament out of my cousins head- for what?


It's "Terror." Makes the next victim more submissive. It must work....they keep doing it.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 01:29 PM


Why would one open a taco stand in Juarez? Could it be that it was more than a taco stand,or somebody thought it was? There's got to be more to this, I can't believe he wasn't aware of his surroundings having lived in Monterey. When you choose to hang in that environment s*** happens, deserved or undeserved. Just trying to be realistic no offence intended.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 01:55 PM


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Why would one open a taco stand in Juarez? Could it be that it was more than a taco stand,or somebody thought it was? There's got to be more to this, I can't believe he wasn't aware of his surroundings having lived in Monterey. When you choose to hang in that environment s*** happens, deserved or undeserved. Just trying to be realistic no offence intended.


Since the young man is dead and gone, I think that question should go unasked here.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 02:42 PM


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Why would one open a taco stand in Juarez? Could it be that it was more than a taco stand,or somebody thought it was? There's got to be more to this, I can't believe he wasn't aware of his surroundings having lived in Monterey. When you choose to hang in that environment s*** happens, deserved or undeserved. Just trying to be realistic no offence intended.


Since the young man is dead and gone, I think that question should go unasked here.
The author could have said he lost his cousin. But instead he elaborated on his demise, that leaves it open to discussion. Jesse asked the question and no response. Everyone gets ripped on this forum, is woooosh an exception because there has been so much tragedy in his life with all of his relatives always in some sort of peril.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 03:21 PM


F' A'! So sorry to here that. I too have been affected by those F'A'! I think we all have in certain ways but some of us more. RIP brother.



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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 03:27 PM


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The author could have said he lost his cousin. But instead he elaborated on his demise, that leaves it open to discussion. Jesse asked the question and no response. Everyone gets ripped on this forum, is woooosh an exception because there has been so much tragedy in his life with all of his relatives always in some sort of peril.


The question serves no purpose since, as you know only too well, there are no answers. Dredging through the possibilities would only be painfull for those suffering the loss at this time, or any time, and it's no more than a sick effort to bring reason to a gruesome crime when it makes absolutly no sense to even want to know.
Why would you even want to open this can of worms while the body still gives off heat? Does it matter?


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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 04:13 PM


Baja 1943 your posts on this thread are in very poor taste.:no:



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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 05:03 PM


Poor taste comes with the message board format and you just file it away- even when it's family. After a few pages of comments most everyone who is current on the board and interested has read/replied- after that it often goes downhill.

I asked a few cousins and a local nephew today why they tortured and decapitated him even when there is no grudge involved. They said it was to set an example to pay the monthly fees the cartel or whoever is in charge of the area demands. A five thousand dollar a month payment was in the "average" range they said- so this is nothing new or a big secret. I had thought they saved the barbarism for their real enemies, and civilly executed (strange word combination) the others, but that's not the case. I would wonder too if there were drugs or if something else was involved because of what they did to him- but that's just what they do to everyone now. It was a stupid place for him to to open a restaurant but I would imagine that city does have many living restaurant owners. I think he really didn't like the kid who drove up in the new sports car and demanded the money. Even so, he took the kid seriously. The restaurant threat was a few months ago and I think he wasn't worried an more when they got him. A lot of Mexicans get chased out of business apparently. Makes it hard to start a middle class, doesn't it?




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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 08:03 PM


(Summary of the first 3 minutes of the video)

At the Zocalo in DF:
The Constitution of Mexico has been so prostituted.

We've heard the stories of the mothers and father whose children have been lost due to organized crime and the complicity of police in those crimes.

We want the Secretary of Security (Genaro Garcia Luna) to resign.

We want to send a message to the president of Mexico. No more deaths. No more hate. Let us walk the streets with dignity.

We are asking for the resignation (of the Secretary of Security) to avoid more violence.
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[*] posted on 5-19-2011 at 08:06 PM


Call it what it is....surrender.
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[*] posted on 5-21-2011 at 08:40 AM


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Call it what it is....surrender.


assimilate Dennis, learn Spanish this is not a surrender, it is a call to action of the citizens and the start of the pressure we will finally be applying to our broken government. Jenny the first three minutes is not the speech, it is his discussion before the speech, listen to the other 20 minutes please. Listen to Mr. Sicilia's words, our politicos and oligarchs had better because their time, taking and taking from the people is coming to an end.
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[*] posted on 5-21-2011 at 11:01 AM


Really like the avatar Pam ... that is one of the prettiest fish out there to me... but, don't like to keep.. they are jus to beautiful to take... yes, I know they are really good eating...



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