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I just want to kick in here and say:
Thanks for the edjumacation........fascinating topic and information for me.........
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Mexicans worrying aboutCanadians and Gringoes taking away business from Mexicans. Now they know how it is to live in California with all the
illegals. Get used to it.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
Mexicans worrying aboutCanadians and Gringoes taking away business from Mexicans. Now they know how it is to live in California with all the
illegals. Get used to it. |
I'm out of touch with California-- do many folks there feel like the illegals are actually competing with them professionally?  |
For construction... and landscaping/ gardening... yes. They live very cheaply with several to a house or apartment, and offer their services for less
than legal residents do. People trying to cut costs then hire the cheaper service provider.
Illegals get paid less because they request less, not because they are taken advantage of.
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
Mexicans worrying aboutCanadians and Gringoes taking away business from Mexicans. Now they know how it is to live in California with all the
illegals. Get used to it. |
I'm out of touch with California-- do many folks there feel like the illegals are actually competing with them professionally? |
By professionally do you mean those that have a piece of paper that states that they have a degree? I don't know. But just look at the trolley loading
up every day at San Ysidro coming north and there is standing room only. They keep coming every ten minutes starting at five in the morning. Most of
these people are just "residents" coming to work here and then spend their money in TJ. Godamn right they are taking our jobs!
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
Mexicans worrying aboutCanadians and Gringoes taking away business from Mexicans. Now they know how it is to live in California with all the
illegals. Get used to it. |
I'm out of touch with California-- do many folks there feel like the illegals are actually competing with them professionally? |
By professionally do you mean those that have a piece of paper that states that they have a degree? I don't know. But just look at the trolley loading
up every day at San Ysidro coming north and there is standing room only. They keep coming every ten minutes starting at five in the morning. Most of
these people are just "residents" coming to work here and then spend their money in TJ. Godamn right they are taking our jobs!
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and your schools... thousand of TJ kids cross every morning to go to school in the USA and then return home each night.
My definition of "Career Professional" is one that requires advanced education and a college degree. I don't see many Mexican professionals taking
American jobs- their clients are likely other Mexicans or Spanish-only speakers who wouldn't be comfortable or welcome is an English-only environment
anyhow.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
Mexicans worrying aboutCanadians and Gringoes taking away business from Mexicans. Now they know how it is to live in California with all the
illegals. Get used to it. |
I'm out of touch with California-- do many folks there feel like the illegals are actually competing with them professionally? |
By professionally do you mean those that have a piece of paper that states that they have a degree? I don't know. But just look at the trolley loading
up every day at San Ysidro coming north and there is standing room only. They keep coming every ten minutes starting at five in the morning. Most of
these people are just "residents" coming to work here and then spend their money in TJ. Godamn right they are taking our jobs!
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and your schools... thousand of TJ kids cross every morning to go to school in the USA and then return home each night.
My definition of "Career Professional" is one that requires advanced education and a college degree. I don't see many Mexican professionals taking
American jobs- their clients are likely other Mexicans or Spanish-only speakers who wouldn't be comfortable or welcome is an English-only environment
anyhow. |
Ahh yes the kids. Thousands of them every day getting a free ride in our public schools and all's they need is an address that someone lent them. I
think the state spends something like $6,000 on each kid in California....legal and illegal.
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David K
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Isn't it funny that if Americans did what the Mexicans do (ie. send our kids south daily for school or work for less than locals in Mexico)... the
Mexican government and people would (and do) put their foot down and stop it. How about vote in their elections?
However, here north of the border, we must have 'compassion' and allow our country to be violated...  To ask for an ID when you go to vote is illegal in the U.S. !!! LOL 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
Mexicans worrying aboutCanadians and Gringoes taking away business from Mexicans. Now they know how it is to live in California with all the
illegals. Get used to it. |
I'm out of touch with California-- do many folks there feel like the illegals are actually competing with them professionally? |
By professionally do you mean those that have a piece of paper that states that they have a degree? I don't know. But just look at the trolley loading
up every day at San Ysidro coming north and there is standing room only. They keep coming every ten minutes starting at five in the morning. Most of
these people are just "residents" coming to work here and then spend their money in TJ. Godamn right they are taking our jobs!
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san73:
the people you mention crossing border daily are legals, not the illegals that was subject at hand. re legals, it's a border, and best to have trade
and jobs flow across border, better for economy for all. if you want zero cross border economic trade, then prepare for economy to colapse on both
sides of border.
re kids crossing border to go to school in USA. good for them, hope they succeed. if they can get visa to cross daily, then their familiess probably
sufficiently contribute to economy (i.e. pay taxes in US) to justify their school costs. and many of those crossing are going to pvt schools, what
you see is not always what you understand!
anywho, the mex kids probably enrich lives of gringo kids they meet at school. as we know from another thread, most gringos have abandoned their kids
to us schools for parenting by state, eh?
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
Mexicans worrying aboutCanadians and Gringoes taking away business from Mexicans. Now they know how it is to live in California with all the
illegals. Get used to it. |
I'm out of touch with California-- do many folks there feel like the illegals are actually competing with them professionally? |
By professionally do you mean those that have a piece of paper that states that they have a degree? I don't know. But just look at the trolley loading
up every day at San Ysidro coming north and there is standing room only. They keep coming every ten minutes starting at five in the morning. Most of
these people are just "residents" coming to work here and then spend their money in TJ. Godamn right they are taking our jobs!
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san73:
the people you mention crossing border daily are legals, not the illegals that was subject at hand. re legals, it's a border, and best to have trade
and jobs flow across border, better for economy for all. if you want zero cross border economic trade, then prepare for economy to colapse on both
sides of border.
re kids crossing border to go to school in USA. good for them, hope they succeed. if they can get visa to cross daily, then their familiess probably
sufficiently contribute to economy (i.e. pay taxes in US) to justify their school costs. and many of those crossing are going to pvt schools, what
you see is not always what you understand!
anywho, the mex kids probably enrich lives of gringo kids they meet at school. as we know from another thread, most gringos have abandoned their kids
to us schools for parenting by state, eh? |
Granted, most who cross the border everyday with legal papers do have a right to be here and seek employment, even if they are undercutting American
workers. As far as kids go, many are here illegally and will not even finish high school. That I know first hand. Half the kids at Southwest High from
TJ drop out eventually or do not have enough credits to graduate. As far as enriching "gringo" kids, there aren't anymore "gringo" kids to enrich.
They've moved on to schools out of the area in order to get a better education. With the majority of classrooms here in the Southbay having
Spanish-speaking kids who don't want to learn anyway, teachers are forced to teach at a lower level of education. That leaves G.A.T.E. kids like mine
screwed.
That is why my kids go to school in I.B., better education and they still do say the Pledge of Allegiance in class everyday.
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Not all, but many of the children from Mexico who cross the border to attend school in Calexico pay to do so. Many attend the local Catholic schools,
or the Mission School.
Many of the ones who cross to attend the public schools also pay so they are legal. And there are students who live on both sides of the border.
Several of my best high school students were from Mexico---either recent immigrants or still living in Mexico. They had a real desire to learn
everything. Some of them attend school in Mexico until 7th grade, and then attend school in the US. They have a real respect for education and
learning English. I even had a few who did not speak a word of English until the 7th grade pass, or come close to passing the Advanced Placement US
History Test; it is the AP test with the lowest pass rate!
As a nation of immigrants, these students are a real plus to the equation.
[Edited on 11-21-2011 by DianaT]
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
By professionally do you mean those that have a piece of paper that states that they have a degree? |
Nah, more in the vein of "any vocation or business." As in a full-time ditch digger contrasting with the guy in the burbs who's putting in a few
sprinkler lines for his backyard garden (the former is a professional, making a living at it.)
What I am curious about is actual reality vs the common allegation that "these people do jobs 'real' Americans won't". I.e. are they
taking "our" jobs, or doing stuff that would otherwise be hard to accomplish?
As David says, there's for sure competition in areas such as landscaping and construction... it's less clear to me about other fields.
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I consider "taking our jobs" by legals or illegals, as someone who is here as a resident alien working legally or illegally in any trade. Many, many
residents who work here in San Diego County live in TJ. They don't care about the United States or about assimilating. They just want to earn
"dolares" and then go spend it in TJ. As a former Real Estate agent I knew way to many agents with D.R.E. licenses who are residents and living in TJ.
I also knew of many who acted as agents and had licensed agents do all of the paperwork for their clients.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I consider "taking our jobs" by legals or illegals, as someone who is here as a resident alien working legally or illegally in any trade.
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No one is "taking jobs" as ultimately it's up to the employer to decide who works.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Mexicans working in the USA (legal or not) do a lot of jobs the US citizens don't want to do |
??? who did those jobs before the illegals arrived???
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Barry A.
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Me and my friends, for a while when we were in school.
Barry
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Fixing computers for old farts like us.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Me and my friends, for a while when we were in school.
Barry |
EXACTLY. Now those jobs are not available for students and yes, the illegals (pardon me; undocumented) workers do it better and faster.
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
I sure did. In high school it was we young folk who did most of the manual or "unskilled" labor around our town. We got paid less than adults, but
we were inexperienced and it was our break-in to the job market.
Currently one can wander the streets of that town and not see a single anglo doing yard maintenance. How are kids earning money these days? |
Times they are a changin---
I too did yard work in the summer for what ever money I had. Also worked in the harvest - but there weren't enough kids-young people- etc. to handle
the harvesting of the farm and orchard crops so migrants came to do the bulk of the harvest. And they produced 2-3 times as much in the same time.
The start of school in the fall was occasionally set back to let the kids work the peaches.
But in these days, particularly in the cities, a lot of parents don't want their future bankers, doctors, and lawyers to have to that menial work.
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In the 70's and 80's the fish processors we delivered to were staffed by college students. Now, it's 90% hispanic. Interesting to be able to practice
my Spanish in SE Alaska.
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I seem to remember mowing and edging, shoveling snow, raking leaves, painting, anything I could do to earn money. Then came the high school/college
jobs. Plumbing pools and spas, pumping gas, fixing cars.
Find enough 16-21 year old spoiled gringo brats to replace all the legal and illegal immigrants working entry-level/low skill set jobs before you
fire all the immigrants
OR, put all the welfare and unemployed workers in those jobs???
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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My first job..................
Pulling Paddle Boards up on the beach and washing off the sand to prepare them for the next rental at Duke's Paddle Board Stand in Balboa, right in
front of Stan's Gangplank, a beer bar on the Bay. It was right when the war ended and a happier bunch of people I've never seen since.
Anyway....I worked for a hamburger and soda a day. That was my introduction to the big time. 
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