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bajabuddha
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I think this about sums up your stance, sweetwater. Pick your own favorite bullet-points.
From Dictionary.com:
LIBERAL (adjective)
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights
and liberties.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental
protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: "a liberal policy toward dissident
artists and writers."
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: "a liberal attitude toward foreigners."
CONSERVATIVE (adjective):
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
2. cautiously moderate or purposefully low: "a conservative estimate."
3. traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: "conservative suit."
4. (often initial capital letter) of or pertaining to the Conservative party.
5. (initial capital letter) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism.
6. having the power or tendency to conserve or preserve.
In my eyes, ISIS (ISIL, IS, etc.) is radical conservatism. Who and what really is the terrorist threat here? Ain't Ebola. With safe drinking water
as the most important single item on earth for survival, and the current lack thereof and depletion/drought conditions, extra measures must be put in
place to insure without any doubt there is not going to be any 'compromise'. Period.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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micah202
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Well crap, I wrote several paragraphs in reply to the original article that started this whole thing and lost it somewhere in cyberspace. Maybe that
was God's way of saying "don't waste your time grasshopper".
Lots of things are easy to get wrong in the oil industry if you aren't paying attention, don't care, aren't properly trained or supervised, paid to
look the other way etc. I'm certain that the oil industry in Mexico is a mess and if it is left to Pemex the fracking projects will follow suit.
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...darn...sorry to hear that good fellow...I was hoping you'd help allay my concerns.
....I remember a couple of further issues I read about that raise some further concern......as DaveK brought up in his first comment,quote in the
thread....the companies have seen that some cross-pressuring is 'inevitable' at the best of times...it makes me wonder if -you- would be willing to
have fracking in -your- watertable...or is this just a good idea for -other- watertables??  ...or maybe it's that you don't use a watertable in mexico so ''it
don't matter''?
...but ...but the BIGGEST KICKER as I see it is the issue of direct methane damage to the OZONE...generally it's considered to be 2-3%,,but
in some counts it's been -measured- at 9%!! .....cowfarts indeed. ......but I guess that's not a problem if 'big science hasn't proved'
there's a problem  
..so overall,,yes I see that fracking technology has improved since it's early times,,,but for what we know,,,it's actually still a very -lethal-
technology...by no means the 'clean alternative' I'd like to think it would be.
....I've kept a file of any references I've quoted,,can look up more details if you need
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wessongroup
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Dittos on the water .. big time
Even Ebola needs it ... at this time
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This is Bat country damnit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabuddha
I think this about sums up your stance, sweetwater. Pick your own favorite bullet-points. ... |
Guys,
I didn't take SW's comment as a disagreement as much as a more eloquent way of expressing my thought.....
...and am not being politically as partisan here as I tend to be at times with the "Lib VS Cons" rap.
I am not beating the political horse to death this time....just the ecological horse
I see humans as a virus on this blue planet....and have stated that before....with some distinctions being made re: symbiotic VS parasitic
relationships.
Too bad this species of animals hasn't evolved as much as we are hoping it can....
Baja is my reprieve.....fish tacos and dusty trails with some good folks....
[Edited on 10-16-2014 by motoged]
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woody with a view
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hey Ged, i'll pave the way for you next week! surf will be pumping, water is unusually warm so i'll do my best to leave a bunch of fish for you!
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motoged
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Way cool, Woody 
The shipping place sent an e-mail saying the T-shirts arrived....will pick them up on Saturday.
I will be in Baja from Dec 14 - Jan 10th ....give or take....will be hanging in Asuncion and BoLA in that time....would be good to have a visit if you
are in the barrios.
Hope you have a SWELL time.....after the morning sesenta y nueve reading 
Don't believe everything you think....
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Well frack ged, it looks like we will be here when you are in the neighborhood. Looking forward to throwing some fracking roost and swilling some
suds. Keep me posted on your eta in the east cape....
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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motoged
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DT,
my guys are rearranging the trip and i may not make it south of Insurgentes....will know in a week and will let you know.
The driver has pulled the frackin plug and I am a passenger. He is a very good friend who is employed as a contractor "non-destructive metallurgical
tester" in the oilfields of Manitoba and Saskatchewan...and the work Enbridge has been doing over the past handful of years was testing pipeline welds
on older pipelines. Their work has diminished recently due to Enbridge has apparently met the testing expectations (basic minimum???) and he has been
laid off. My friend said there has been a 50% failure rate on pipeline welds (40-50 year old pipelines).
So he is feeling fracked up with the downturn in demand for his type of services.....which he prefers to climbing around in boilers in mills, etc.
So, I might frackin miss the south cape ....and THAT is fracked up, eh?!
I hope he decides to make the trip....
It's all just more factual evidence that the dependency on the petroleum industry fracks things up with its policy decisions affecting the well-being
of Nomads and the general population. Fewer Baja travellers ripping up the desert, frequenting local taco stands, renting rooms, buying gas, and
diminishing the cerveza and tequila supplies has got to be bad for the Baja economy...
[Edited on 10-16-2014 by motoged]
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micah202
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
....... Enbridge has apparently met the testing expectations (basic minimum???) and he has been laid off. My friend said there has been a 50% failure
rate on pipeline welds (40-50 year old pipelines). |
....ohh,,mannnnn...you're not 'appeasing' my trust issues!
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Jeez ged, those big oil companies screw up everything, I say it's time we put them in their place! NO MORE PETROLEIUM PRODUCTS! We can do it if we
stick together, turn off the heater, unplug the TV, park the car, turn off the lights, unplug grandma's respirator, gather firewood....scratch that,
burning wood causes global wa....climate change. We can do it if we stick together, let's put a stop to those greedy bastards once and for all!
Keep me posted on your plans ged, maybe I'll come up north and catch a ride with you. Let's keep the fact that I'm a conservative capitalist a secret
from your friends, I wouldn't want them to question your true colours. (that's Canadian for colors).
Edit: I just realized that if we do as I suggested above we would have to push our motorcycles....please disregard everything I said.
[Edited on 10-16-2014 by dtbushpilot]
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David---I remember cleaning the tar on our feet after the beach too! Always had a can of turpentine by the back door. There is of course natural
seepage---anyone who lived in Santa Barbara knows that as blobs of oil were floating around before any offshore rigs. For the tar on SoCal beaches
though, as I understand it the oil tankers would flush their tanks offshore of SoCal and that was the source of our black feet. Someone put a stop
to it evidently as I haven't seen hardly any for eons.
Just flew into Fort Worth last night, an Australian chap sitting next to me was blown away at seeing the number of fracking rigs over Central Texas as
we flew in. He'd heard about it but had no idea of the scale of the operation. There really has been few problems, as of yet, with contamination of
groundwater for such a large operation.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
David---I remember cleaning the tar on our feet after the beach too! Always had a can of turpentine by the back door. There is of course natural
seepage---anyone who lived in Santa Barbara knows that as blobs of oil were floating around before any offshore rigs. For the tar on SoCal beaches
though, as I understand it the oil tankers would flush their tanks offshore of SoCal and that was the source of our black feet. Someone put a stop
to it evidently as I haven't seen hardly any for eons.
Just flew into Fort Worth last night, an Australian chap sitting next to me was blown away at seeing the number of fracking rigs over Central Texas as
we flew in. He'd heard about it but had no idea of the scale of the operation. There really has been few problems, as of yet, with contamination of
groundwater for such a large operation. |
Sounds great Steve! Viva Fracking and Energy Independence!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Jeez ged, those big oil companies screw up everything, I say it's time we put them in their place! NO MORE PETROLEIUM PRODUCTS! We can do it if we
stick together, turn off the heater, unplug the TV, park the car, turn off the lights, unplug grandma's respirator, gather firewood....scratch that,
burning wood causes global wa....climate change. We can do it if we stick together, let's put a stop to those greedy bastards once and for all!
Keep me posted on your plans ged, maybe I'll come up north and catch a ride with you. Let's keep the fact that I'm a conservative capitalist a secret
from your friends, I wouldn't want them to question your true colours. (that's Canadian for colors).
Edit: I just realized that if we do as I suggested above we would have to push our motorcycles....please disregard everything I said.
[Edited on 10-16-2014 by dtbushpilot] |
Good one David...' bye bye grandma!' How about your motorbikes powered by wind or solar?
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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
David---I remember cleaning the tar on our feet after the beach too! Always had a can of turpentine by the back door. There is of course natural
seepage---anyone who lived in Santa Barbara knows that as blobs of oil were floating around before any offshore rigs. For the tar on SoCal beaches
though, as I understand it the oil tankers would flush their tanks offshore of SoCal and that was the source of our black feet. Someone put a stop
to it evidently as I haven't seen hardly any for eons.
Just flew into Fort Worth last night, an Australian chap sitting next to me was blown away at seeing the number of fracking rigs over Central Texas as
we flew in. He'd heard about it but had no idea of the scale of the operation. There really has been few problems, as of yet, with contamination of
groundwater for such a large operation. |
Sounds great Steve! Viva Fracking and Energy Independence! |
Its a good thing for us to be producing our own oil but I do wish we would parley the benefits (ie-profits) into alternate sources of energy as the
fracking boom won't last forever and we don't need more foreign hostilities over oil. Its really a travesty with all the sun hitting the western US
that every roof doesn't have a solar panel----look at Germany, with a not very sunny climate, now deriving immense amounts of their power from the
sun.
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Of course... it will be a source for us until we have mastered other energy sources... Covering the desert with windmills or solar panels is not doing
enough or efficient. We will invent or discover a new or better way to create energy. Until then, we have new reserves of petroleum under our feet,
thanks to modern fracking methods.
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DAvid,
Finally, you get it !!
I like the benefits of petroleum in my life....and it's downside could be managed better.
I know my friends would enjoy your company (maybe the six of us could bunk at your new palapa on the beach for 10 days or so ????).
I have some conservative capitalist values as well....maybe that's why we can get along for the occasional moto ride ....or it's just because you are
a good guy, politics aside.
The whole mid-east dung heap situation is the crusades being revived, with oil as a side-show/complication.
I am sure someone would suggest the solution is to frack the area and turn it into a parking lot...
Until then, I just hope there is enough gas for the bikes until I am too old to ride....to hell with the future generations....
Hey , have you seen the KTM electric bikes?
| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Jeez ged, those big oil companies screw up everything, I say it's time we put them in their place! NO MORE PETROLEIUM PRODUCTS! We can do it if we
stick together, turn off the heater, unplug the TV, park the car, turn off the lights, unplug grandma's respirator, gather firewood....scratch that,
burning wood causes global wa....climate change. We can do it if we stick together, let's put a stop to those greedy bastards once and for all!
Keep me posted on your plans ged, maybe I'll come up north and catch a ride with you. Let's keep the fact that I'm a conservative capitalist a secret
from your friends, I wouldn't want them to question your true colours. (that's Canadian for colors).
Edit: I just realized that if we do as I suggested above we would have to push our motorcycles....please disregard everything I said.
[Edited on 10-16-2014 by dtbushpilot] |
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Turning the swords back into plowshares:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/15/us-lockheed-fusion...
"(Reuters) - Lockheed Martin Corp said on Wednesday it had made a technological breakthrough in developing a power source based on nuclear fusion, and
the first reactors, small enough to fit on the back of a truck, could be ready for use in a decade.
Tom McGuire, who heads the project, said he and a small team had been working on fusion energy at Lockheed's secretive Skunk Works for about four
years, but were now going public to find potential partners in industry and government for their work.
Initial work demonstrated the feasibility of building a 100-megawatt reactor measuring seven feet by 10 feet, which could fit on the back of a large
truck, and is about 10 times smaller than current reactors, McGuire told reporters.
In a statement, the company, the Pentagon's largest supplier, said it would build and test a compact fusion reactor in less than a year, and build a
prototype in five years.
In recent years, Lockheed has gotten increasingly involved in a variety of alternate energy projects, including several ocean energy projects, as it
looks to offset a decline in U.S. and European military spending............"
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motoged
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It's not just about fracking...
Articles from Globe and Mail:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/loonie-oil-prices-could-fall-much-further-don-pittis-1.2799880
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/natural-gas-switch-won-t-slow-climate-change-study-suggests-1.2800549
[Edited on 10-16-2014 by motoged]
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