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Well, since Las Palmitas is a water source and a cattle trough is there, the rancher will need to get to it from somewhere off the highway...
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The road builders don't care. They just build fences. They evne fenced existing roads and left a steep bank so the locals just cut the fence and drive
down the bank till they get to the road. What a pain.
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Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  | | The road builders don't care. They just build fences. They evne fenced existing roads and left a steep bank so the locals just cut the fence and drive
down the bank till they get to the road. What a pain. |
Seriously, what's the deal with that anyway!!??
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Its likely their ground, and they are weary of having people leave broken Tacomas all over....Seriously David, What right do any of us to complain
about what the Mexican people do with their land?
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| Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | | Its likely their ground, and they are weary of having people leave broken Tacomas all over....Seriously David, What right do any of us to complain
about what the Mexican people do with their land? |
I just asked, wasn't complaining... but seriously, it isn't the Mexican people of the region deciding this, since their roads are being cut off by the
new fence they are putting up... The same is true north of San Felipe. I get that they may want to keep range cattle off the pavement... but where
there's an established road, it will just mean the "Mexican people" cutting the barb wire at some point.
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Just to add to the mix....
A well set up Rubicon Jeep makes the mission trail look like the I-5.
All due respect to the Yota guys, but that ain't extreme. A-trac....whatever!
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I'm still waiting for a Jeep to do the Turquesa mine road. Short wheel base should make it easy.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | Just to add to the mix....
A well set up Rubicon Jeep makes the mission trail look like the I-5.
All due respect to the Yota guys, but that ain't extreme. A-trac....whatever!
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No doubt, as Ken Cooke was in there! On my 2003 trip, there was a Jeep Wrangler with us, no locker needed to get up the Widowmaker for him.
Don't get me wrong, I am a Jeep fan... a former Jeep owner... they are made for off road... they just are not reliable or trustworthy. Although, you
can get one and have no problems... just as likely as getting a Toyota that is a lemon.
A-TRAC makes the Tacoma (or any Toyota with it) a tractor on steep, rocky, rutted trails. I have never gotten stuck in my 2010... I have temporarily
in my other two Tacomas.
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | I'm still waiting for a Jeep to do the Turquesa mine road. Short wheel base should make it easy. |
The La Turquesa Grade (XR RIDE UP, COCO's SHORTCUT) as seen from the turquoise mine.
Like this Land Rover did?
"Come on Roy, you can do it!!"
The SquareCircle Does!!
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | I'm still waiting for a Jeep to do the Turquesa mine road. Short wheel base should make it easy. |
we did the Turquesa mine road earlier this year - Jeep, Mercedes, Toyota. The Jeep (locked up) had the most trouble to climb the very steep bottom of
the hill grade. Long wheel base definitely an advantage there.
http://carlosnpainter.smugmug.com/Events/Manly-Men-Baja-2014...
If you ever wanted to drive the Turquesa mine trail - drive it now! It will soon be so badly damaged by bad drivers (like the Widowmaker) that it will
become more and more difficult. The Rubicon Trail is another good example. It used to be an easy dirt road - now driven to schits, you better have
35"+ tires and 2 lockers.
It's not the well setup Jeep Rubicon that makes things possible - it's the well versed driver. Or does a Steinway grand piano make great music?
[Edited on 12-5-2014 by 4x4abc]
Harald Pietschmann
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Curious discussion. I have lived in SW CO for many years and have never seen a Tacoma on the trails. No reason why they cannot. Never seen one at the
Farmington or Aztec play area. However there are some Tacoma built rock crawlers in the area. What I have is a built 06 TJUR and it has never been
back to the dealer. It did have an oem issue that I resolved with an aftermarket part which solved the issue. (OPDA)
Here in San Felipe Jeeps are about 95% of all off road rigs.
CR: No luck: The VW was much much worse than CR. The 99 Ford pickup is issue free and had tons of miles. Both Hondas were much better than CR with no
issues. Mazda was close to CR with one issue. The 4Runner was much worse than CR said. Bad V6 motor. Besides it was slow and a gas hog. Not a fancy
one like the new ones.
If you use CR as the only bible - be careful for bad info.
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"It's not the well setup Jeep Rubicon that makes things possible - it's the well versed driver. Or does a Steinway grand piano make great music?"
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My Jeep comment was meant to stir Mr. Cooke and his band of Jeepsters into action.
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Hey PaulW ... a little help on the 06 TJUR
Just Googled it ... and came back with this ..
Not much on speed, but, would agree with the climbing ability  ... and "tire air pressure" wouldn't be a real concern
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when a Toyota shows up during a Jeep event
http://youtu.be/TBXua_NKg74
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Thanks ... just looked at them on youtube ... pretty good rock crawlers
Still waiting for reports on these ...
[Edited on 12-6-2014 by wessongroup]
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DK-
Your love affair with the Tacoma makes me wonder about the condition of its tail pipe.... Just kidding! But really, never been stuck? I think you
ought to try a little more extreme terrain before drooling over your vehicles amazing ability. Stock Tacomas are NOT impressive offroad, nor does
their reliability seem above normal when owners are honest about their vehicles issues.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | | Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | I'm still waiting for a Jeep to do the Turquesa mine road. Short wheel base should make it easy. |
we did the Turquesa mine road earlier this year - Jeep, Mercedes, Toyota. The Jeep (locked up) had the most trouble to climb the very steep bottom of
the hill grade. Long wheel base definitely an advantage there.
http://carlosnpainter.smugmug.com/Events/Manly-Men-Baja-2014...
If you ever wanted to drive the Turquesa mine trail - drive it now! It will soon be so badly damaged by bad drivers (like the Widowmaker) that it will
become more and more difficult. The Rubicon Trail is another good example. It used to be an easy dirt road - now driven to schits, you better have
35"+ tires and 2 lockers.
It's not the well setup Jeep Rubicon that makes things possible - it's the well versed driver. Or does a Steinway grand piano make great music?
[Edited on 12-5-2014 by 4x4abc] |
Great photos of you guys going up the Turquesa Grade! Looks like some of the trail markers put up by TW and The Squarecircle are still there?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | DK-
Your love affair with the Tacoma makes me wonder about the condition of its tail pipe.... Just kidding! But really, never been stuck? I think you
ought to try a little more extreme terrain before drooling over your vehicles amazing ability. Stock Tacomas are NOT impressive offroad, nor does
their reliability seem above normal when owners are honest about their vehicles issues. |
I try and get my Tacoma stuck and do the near-impossible, but my years of four wheeling, correct air pressure, and the fantastic A-TRAC system is
really so impressive that the truck is a tractor, and only rock size in the stock set up will limit where it will go.
I was steered to Tacoma by the reviews here on the Baja Internet forums back in 2000... primarily Neal Johns... and I have always gone with the OFF
ROAD TRD 4WD Tacoma, which has the largest tires, Bilstein shocks, and a locking rear differential. Since 2009, the OFF ROAD TRD has A-TRAC, and that
is like an auto locker on the front and rear axles... amazing!
My third Tacoma (a 2010) is 5 years old this month, has 70,000 miles, and has not broken down or gotten stuck. The water pump had a drip they reported
at the 60,000 mile service, so that was replaced. Other than fluid changes and brake pads, nothing else to report.
The truck comes with 31" BFG Rugged Trail TA tires, and I replaced them at 20,000 miles with 32" Hankook Dynapro ATM tires, and at 50,000 miles with
32" Pep Boys (Cooper) Dakota tires.
Mods: Light bar and off road lights in front, remote rear differential breather (for deep water fording, like the bog at Mission Santa Maria).
Nothing is perfect, but it's hard to find problems on a Tacoma.
What could be better? The rear suspension could be beefier. I added air bags to the 2005 and that solved the bottoming out. My 2010 is better, but at
some point I may add the Ride Rite air bags to it.
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